This one freeper type is using the Sarin gas situation as "proof" of WMD

[noahmijo]

I have temporarily abadoned DU as my primary forumn in order to take on freeper types in other forumns because I'm an ass like that.

This one dope keeps insisting that I am full of shit that no WMD's were found cause according to Fox News (provided a link and everything) Sarin gas was found. I seaarch for it and I see one story saying the British found it then the Polish found it.

First off it sounds to me like this discovery was made cause some insurgent fired a sarin rocket(s) which to me is not proof of "mass wmd's"

Some terrorist coming from Pakistan or any other Arab country could easily have just smuggled in to take shots at our troops using such weapons could they not? That's one thing right there that I feel the need to point out.

As far as anything else have any of the talking heads in Washington announced that this is not proof of mass WMD's?

[Inland]

1. I think the polish find turned out a crapper. The US never claimed it.

[Vickers]

2. Ask him: how much "mass destruction" could one field artillery round that

couldn't go more than 2500 meters that had expired gas in it cause to the USA?

[FrankBooth]

3. This link from CENTCOM debunks

Send this to your Freeper pal:

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/news_release.asp?NewsRelease=20040705.txt

[Inland]

11. But the thing abotu the right wing and its media feeders is

that the first report rattles around forever.

[jayfish]

12. You Have That Right. I Did An Extensive Search The...

CENTCOM release and the only thing that appeared was the original "find" story. I had to search the DU archives to find the CENTCOM piece. Oh that disgraceful "liberal" media. :eyes:

Jay

[DelawareValleyDem]

4. Tell the Freeper

That he should pay attention to what's posted on his own forum

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164774/posts

The Polish "find" was a false alarm. Also, ask him why the conservative media never bothered reporting that the initial claim was unfounded.

[Jo March]

5. There's a guy in my office who does the same thing

When I mentioned that no WMDs had been found, he said, "Yes, they have! Don't you watch FOX news?"

He also keeps bringing up the sarin gas. When I pointed out that the rocket or rockets couldn't reach the ocean, much less the USA, he said, "Well, it's not really what Iraq could do to us but rather what they could do to their own people with that gas."

WTF kind of logic is that?

[htuttle]

6. The Bush administration was very specific in listing what they 'knew'...

...Hussein had. They listed the hundreds of thousands of gallons of nerve gas, tons of anthrax, etc...

A single 15 yr old rusted-out artillery shell hardly proves any of that. Everyone KNEW they had a couple of old rusted out artillery shells before the invasion -- that wasn't the question. It was whether they were still building and STOCKPILING these things -- and they obviously weren't.

[Jo March]

10. You can find old artillery shells all over Europe as well

Doesn't prove that we need to invade all of Europe.

[noahmijo]

7. Thanks everyone this is why I love DU

You all rock

:yourock:

[arbusto_baboso]

8. I've always had a problem with classifying chem weapons as WMD's..

since you need almost ideal conditions in order to inflict that much damage with them. Hell, a rented truck filled with commercial fertilizer will kill more folks than your typical chemical attack.

[jpak]

9. These weren't weapons - they were relics

The propelllant and dispersal charges were degraded to the point of inoperability.

The alleged sarin was similarly degraded and useless.

After proper decontamination, they should be but on display to remind people of the role Reagan and Poppy Bush played in providing Saddam with the wherewithal to manufacture and use these weapons against the Iranians and Kurds...

[movonne]

13. The poor things they are reaching for anything to help their cause!!

Just ask was that little bit of sarin is worth 900 American lives, and God knows how many Iraq lives. (probably don't care about Iraq lives).

[radwriter0555]

14. Ask him to show you the white house press release/press conference that

announced the discovery of WMDs of any type.

Shuts em up every time.

[jedicord]

15. Maybe y'all can also help debunk the "buried MIG" story, too.

One of the people around here who likes to argue politics/war with me told me the other day that someone he's "close to" who fought in Iraq said they found a Soviet MIG buried 15 feet under the sand. I told him that I never heard of it, did he have proof?

His response was that this guy was working in a classified position, and that the government didn't want this story out in the mainstream media. As if.

Anyone heard of this? I tend to believe that this guy throws out BS hoping it will stick, this is the only thing I couldn't debunk with facts (since I've never heard of it).

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. No, the story did make the mainstream media

and I can remember hearing it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3116259.stm

US forces in Iraq have discovered dozens of Iraqi fighter aircraft buried in the desert, US officials have said.

A Pentagon official told the Associated Press news agency that several MiG-25s and Su-25 attack planes were found hidden at al-Taqqadum air base west of Baghdad.

[WoodrowFan]

18. true but

it's true, there are photos on Snopes. But Migs are NOT WMDs and Iraq was not forbidden to own MIGs by the UN. Another RW red herring.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp

[rucky]

16. imminent threat

that's what needs to be proven. always has, always will for war.