Is the bush gang TRYING to destroy America, and if so, why?

[Skip Intro]

Our treasury has been looted in the extreme; our defense forces are stretched extremely thin - morale down, recruitment way off; our rights are falling like majestic dominoes; our economy is weaker than we know; we've never been more divided as a nation; our standing in the world is the worst I've ever known it to be...

And, this fits too: our government has been damaged, our institutions have been weakened, our offices weakened

And we're all supposed to be very fearful.

I think I see a pattern, and I think its there by design.

We are far, far worse off now as a nation than we were before "election" night 2000. We are a weaker nation than before. And with weaker alliances.

Its hard for me to believe that manic greed alone accounts for the assault on our country by the bush gang. Something else motivates them. What is it?

[markses]

1. There is an angel in the whirlwind

;-)

[NMDemDist2]

2. they want to overturn the progressive agenda (wither on the vine)

social Security
Medicare
Employer supplied health insurance
Unemployment
welfare
collective bargaining
EPA




it will be so easy when our national debt is very hi to justify gutting social programs

[nankerphelge]

3. Hasten the second coming...

They've been reading the Left Behind series.

[MichiganVote]

4. Answer

Oil. All roads lead to the oil companies.

[olddem43]

5. It's just the greed. Power and money are interchangeable,

just like matter and energy, but they really want power to get more money.

[DemBones DemBones]

6. Greed is the root of all evil.

Greed for money, greed for power.

[Octafish]

7. It's The BFEE Way.

Play the Mighty Whorelitzer.
Make the Cities No-Charge Open-Air Prisons.
Make Public Schools a Joke.
Make Public Safety a Dream.
Loot the Treasury.
Move Jobs Overseas.
Bankrupt the Nation.
Buy Cheap from the Best Pickin's.
Penure the People.
Destroy the Army.
Let the Weakest Die Off.
Enslave the Rest.

It's the NAZI Way.

[AGiordino]

26. I thought I smelled the Reichstag burning

n/t

[Somawas]

29. The Reichstag

burned on 9/11/01

[Octafish]

40. Chimpageddon.

[TexasProgresive]

8. They want to spend the nation broke

and surround us with enemies so that the only government program that will remain is the military. They hate Social Security, Medicare and any thing else that might help the lower classes (read everyone who is not super rich). These are the people who have moaned every since the rise of a real middle class that, "you can't get good help anymore!" They want us to be thankful for pitiful wages and "Oh! Thank you for letting me have your rags for clothes!"

They really don't care about anyone but themselves. This is not the duped Repugs at the bottom. They are just fooling themselves, or they hope that they will be given the overseer's whip.

Enough ranting from yours truely, but you brought it up.

[Crunchy Frog]

9. Liquidate it and collect the loot.

It doesn't matter in the end anyway, since Armegeddon is right around the corner, and all the people who really matter are going to be raptured, and so, won't be affected.

[IronLionZion]

10. Even Bill Gates is feeling the burn of the Bush economy

There's no excuse for Ingvar Kamprad to overtake America's own Bill Gates as world's richest man. Bush has severely devalued our currency and put us in a very weak economic position.

The reason we haven't tanked just yet is because the US dollar is used by so much global business and there are trillions of dollars floating around in the world connected to foreign economies. Once economic powerhouses like OPEC switch from the dollar to the Euro, we are royally FUCKED!

[salinen]

11. For chimp

He must destroy all institutions that give power to the individual. The constitution, bill of rights, and declaration of independence are all secular documents that are to him, the ink of Satan.

[DaveSZ]

15. Clinton already took care of gutting welfare for him

nt

[Union Thug]

12. to usher in the new Gilded Age /eom

[punpirate]

13. I think it was Sun Tzu who said...

... "in chaos, there is opportunity."

They've been creating a lot of chaos in the last few years with the specific aim of undoing every progressive move since the Great Depression. They want to go back to the days of The Gilded Age, social Darwinism and cronyism.

[FloridaPat]

14. I read the first of the Return books. Here's a scenario:

When Jesus comes back, all the faithful will be taken up to heaven and everyone else will have to stay here on earth to get their act together. But Jesus will also fix everything. No more pollution. Probably refill the oil fields around the world. He'll make everything all right. So what he does to get money is sell everything to the highest bidder, who then plunders the environment. Then he takes that money to people who are trying to make the second comming arrive. He then is the hero who made it possible for Jesus to return.

[DaveSZ]

17. Clinton already took care of gutting welfare for him

He's just got to finish the rest off.

His econ prof on the Majority Report says he was against the SEC and most other regulatory bodies.

[Carni]

16. The extreme Christian values/ similar to wahhabi tradition &law

It's either money, or ideology unning the show... but I find people like bush/asscrack very much in line with the Saudi "vision" of how to mistreat people.

Bush co IMO would love to run their "kingdom" like the saudis.

[IronLionZion]

18. Neo-cons don't understand that what goes around, comes around

There actions now will come back to bite them in the ass very soon. They are so greedy, but this will hurt them in their pocketbooks in the long run.

Don't buy stock in Halliburton, Bechtel, Parsons, Raytheon, Carlyle, etc. It will prove to be a very bad investment.

[DaveSZ]

21. Clinton and the DLC already took care of gutting welfare for him

He's just got to finish the rest off.

His econ prof on the Majority Report says he was against the SEC and most other regulatory bodies.

He wants to return us to the policies we had before the Great Depression.

[murielm99]

35. How many more times are you going to diss Clinton in the

same thread?

Enough already, Jeeze.

[midwayer]

19. Unfortunately

Guys like Alex Jones are starting to sound more on target then ever before

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_new_world_order.html

[TreasonousBastard]

20. This is what happens when you mix an insane religion...

with politics.

No one cares about the business of running the country-- everything becomes a religious crusade.

Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon... Christianity is no more an insane religion than Islam, but they have their Taliban, and we have ours.

Some in the Administration are simply greedy, some are on a crusade, and some are opportunists thrilled to be in the halls of power. Together, they are destroying the Constitution, many of our treasured ideals, and the very land we live on and the air we breath.

Never in more innocent times did I ever think I would be nostalgic for Reagan or Nixon, but their faults and crimes are nothing compared to this crew.

[shraby]

25. Read the Plame indictment threads

there is a lot of eyeopeners in it..all 8 of them.

[punpirate]

22. I think it was Sun Tzu who said...

... "in chaos, there is opportunity." And these guys have been creating a lot of chaos.

It really is greed--an essential part of the right-wing philosophy. They want to return the country to the days of zero regulation, the crony capitalism that made the wealthy much, much wealthier, and to undo every bit of the government supporting people--Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Truly, it's a philosophy of greed, not just of greed itself.

[TreasonousBastard]

It's what happens when you mix an insane religion...

with politics.

No one cares about the business of running the country-- everything becomes a religious crusade.

Before anyone jumps on the bandwagon... Christianity is no more an insane religion than Islam, but they have their Taliban, and we have ours.

Some in the Administration are simply greedy, some are on a crusade, and some are opportunists thrilled to be in the halls of power. Together, they are destroying the Constitution, many of our treasured ideals, and the very land we live on and the air we breath.

Never in more innocent times did I ever think I would be nostalgic for Reagan or Nixon, but their faults and crimes are nothing compared to this crew.

[midwayer]

23. Unfortunately

Guys like Alex Jones are starting to sound more on target then ever before

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_new_world_order.htm...

[punpirate]

24. I think it was Sun Tzu who said...

... "in chaos, there is opportunity." And these guys have been creating a lot of chaos.

It really is greed--an essential part of the right-wing philosophy. They want to return the country to the days of zero regulation, the crony capitalism that made the wealthy much, much wealthier, and to undo every bit of the government supporting people--Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.

Truly, it's a philosophy of greed, not just of greed itself.

[midwayer]

27. Unfortunately

Guys like Alex Jones are starting to sound more on target then ever before

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_new_world_order.htm ...

[midwayer]

28. Unfortunately

Guys like Alex Jones are starting to sound more on target then ever before

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_new_world_order.htm ...

[midwayer]

30. NWO (eom)

[midwayer]

31. Soory for the triple post

was getting errors

[Doctor_J]

32. they're trying to destroy FDR's America

The time between 1932-1994 was probably the best 3 generations of any culture in history. that's what they're trying to destroy - it was a bad era for elitists, the highborn, and the ruling class, and they'd like to take us back to feudalism.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

33. I honestly think it's just money and power

seriously. That's it. If you can stay in power, you can crank up the bling-bling, and the bling-bling in turn helps to keep you in power.

Problem is we have this representative democracy and they've got to make sure the majority of people don't catch on to them.

That's where I think Michael Moore is a god.

[Beloved Citizen]

34. Arbitrage

They're taking control of the govt and selling off the parts to interested corporate interests for profit.

[RebelYell]

36. Please explain to me

If they crush the middle class and there are only very few rich and alot of poor in the US, who will buy the things that the US and most of the other nations make? Is that not cutting off your nose to spite your face?

[area51]

39. "who will buy the things that the US and most of the other nations make?"

That's the thing about republinazis; they're extremely stupid. They can only think a few seconds into the future. Manufacturers won't be able to sell their crap here if this nazi administration keeps decimating the middle class, and we can't keep running these insane republinazi wars if people can't pay their taxes 'cause they got laid off from their jobs.

[RebelYell]

46. I'm amazed

I've been bitching most of my adult life about short-sightedness.

I don't have a crystal ball, but if you bankrupt the middle class, very few people make money.

Capitalism requires steady growth to work. I learned that in 7th grade!

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. It's not just the middle class you can make money off

If you're an oil company, you sell almost as much of your product to someone on the edge of poverty as to a middle class person. If you're an armaments manufacturer, you sell your product by getting the electorate, and, more importantly, the government, paranoid about other countries. The affluence of the population doesn't have much to do with it.

Spending on health varies more by income; but the Medicare bill took care of that - it was designed to get the government put enough in with the less well off to buy the most expensive drugs available.

These are the industries driving the Bush regime. Some may suffer from the lack of a middle class (eg the car companies, non-defense electronics, or the restaurant business), but Dubya's buddies will still make a killing.

[scarletwoman]

66. Precisely!

In regard to the armaments manufacturers, remember that as corporate globalization creates a larger and larger global underclass, the arms merchants' business will be booming, selling to Third World governments who will needing them to put down their domestic insurrections.

sw

[Cleita]

68. I was watching a series on Discover channel today about the

Roman Empire. Evidentally, 95% of the Romans lived on the edge of poverty. One out of every three Romans was a slave. The empire existed solely so that the 5% who owned most of everything and had all the power could live lives of decadent luxury in spacious villas having their every need looked after by the slaves in their household. Disease, plague and overcrowding in unsanitary conditions kept infant mortality at 50% in the mainstream population.

This of course has been repeated over and over in history in France, in Russia and Great Britain. I think this is what they are shooting for. Also, as we keep comparing the Bushzis to Nazi Germany, the Nazis had very explicit plans to starve out certain populations in Eastern Europe so that the emptied out lands could be opened up for Germans to move into. I think this is their plan in the Middle East, so then Israel can rule over all of it as a colony of the USA

These people are truly mad!

[Mike Niendorff]

37. Well, I think it's at least worth considering that ...

... massive social and economic dislocation has, historically, provided very fertile soil for the cultivation of a fascist and neo-fascist political movements.

OTOH, it may also just be the natural end-result of having a gang of smash-and-grab crooks running amok in the treasury for 4 years.

Time will tell, for better or for worse.


MDN

[scarletwoman]

38. To fulfill the ultimate "free market" dream: Corporate Feudalism

The Owner class will then have total control over the masses and all the planet's resources.

It's greed writ large, but the lust for sheer POWER is the driving force.

We should not underestimate the seductiveness of power for its own sake, it is a huge part of the human character. Think about every petty clerk who takes joy in obstructing someone's access to whatever inner sanctum they happen to hold the keys to. They are happily exercising their little fraction of power.

"...nine rings were gifted to the race of Men — who above all else, desire power."
(Galadriel's voiceover in the prologue of "Fellowship of the Ring")

sw

[finecraft]

47. I agree...read about the Neocon Philosophy

This is from one of the best sites I have found about neocon philosophy and the nutcase that taught all the Neocons we have in government now: http://www.eurolegal.org/useur/usneocon.htm

"Strauss blamed, not fascism, but the Weimar Republic's liberal democratic ideals for permitting the rise of the Nazi party and he interpreted the classical philosophers, Plato, Machiavelli, Nietzche and Hobbes, in a Machiavellian sense:

Truth, he taught, was the preserve of an elite few who might have to tell "noble lies" to the uncomprehending masses. The elite were to be "the Guardians" of Plato. Strauss posited the Machiavellian proposition that political entities are compelled to use force and fraud if they are to prosper. He believed that democracy, however flawed, was best defended by an ignorant public pumped up on nationalism and religion.

According to Strauss, only a militantly nationalist state could deter aggression. The creation of such nationalism requires an external threat - and if one cannot be found it has to be manufactured."

They are really more of a cult than any sort of political affiliation...they'll use whatever party is weak enough for them to manipulate to achieve their goals...and the Republicans are willing dupes.

[midwayer]

57. right on target in my opinion (eom)

[leesa]

41. Because their money is global...America doesn't matter to them

They are simply using America's military to position themselves for world control. Keep the economy lousy, people will have to enter the military.

[Cats Against Frist]

48. Ding ding ding ding ding

I think this is the answer. But it is not just global money -- it's global domination -- both capitalist and spiritual. But to get everyone ready, they have to drum the left's claim to our government (altruism, just society) completely out of society. This is the grand master plan. Bank on it.

You notice that the GOP was a hell of a lot more mild, back during the period when the parties were re-aligning -- the civility of the Tip O'Neill/Reagan thing -- "the super christian with god's corporate love" model that we see ad nauseam now, through all ranks of the GOP, I believe is a fairly modern phenomenon of the last 20 years. They've made their own prototype of what they want everyone to be.

I mean -- there is a pro-business Gooper running in Oklahoma that says he believes in the death penalty for all abortionists. There are a lot of diametrically opposed positions in his profile and statements, but they all make sense under the Gooper logic.

So to answer -- 1. They're going to try to destroy the left's claim on governance 2. They're going to elect all corporatists to our government and 3. proceed to take over the world.

[Swamp Rat]

62. Global domination is the goal...

if not successful, go to plan B - "Rapture."

[Lostnote03]

42. I Wonder if the S&L scenario was the

economic model for the current patriotic thieves....the 86 tax reform essentially weakened the oversite of the banking industry......Bingo, the real estate mrkt collapses with those at the top of the food chain collecting properties for pennies on the dollar and the taxpayers left holding the bag......move along to the deregulation of the SEC oversite in the early 90's(energy companies in particular)and again everthing eventually collapses leaving the taxpayers(middle class)supporing a war now with all of the patriotic thieves hoarding the fruits of our countries investments......Starve the Beast....Drown it in a bathtub and then hail the corporate board rooms.....

[peacetalksforall]

43. They want to make us stupid,, submissive, fearful, and working so hard

to survive that we won't have time to educate ourselves about what they are doing. They are the Reverse It party. They want conditions that poor immigrants lived in over the years for everyone.

I repeat = they are the REVERSE IT party - they want to go back to nazism, fascism, imperialism, colonialism, and as others have said - they want to undo everything that citizens of this country are always bragging about. Have you ever heard one of their leaders mention the greatness of America in the way we used to - progressive, generous, open armed, protective, your vote counts.

They are rolling back the movie of our country. Their policies are closer to the military dictatorships they have preached against with one huge difference - the citizens of those countries knew the conditions they were living under - the citizens of this country don't see the agenda and the proof so far. We'll know if it gets to the point where we have curfews. We already have intelligence and police hauling off citizens without explanation and rights.

They hate Miranda. They are seriously trying to take away our Constitution and Bill of RIghts. And they have the nerve to call us unpatriotic.

They are hypocritical manipulators and destroyers of countries.

Educate yourself. They cannot be believed.

[Cats Against Frist]

50. I think you're right on track, as well

Have you ever heard one of their leaders mention the greatness of America in the way we used to - progressive, generous, open armed, protective, your vote counts.

Bingo. Melting pot, too.

[whistle]

44. Yes. Greed.

[DoBotherMe]

45. They don't know what they want

because they are morally bankrupt and therefore soulless. They have no internal compass that will direct them to happiness and so look outside themselves for inner peace. As Kerry said when asked "why did they do it?" "Because they could." D ; )

[Lostnote03]

49. How True How True...

.......I like your understanding

[Sparky McGruff]

51. Running America like a CEO...

Bush runs America like a CEO. A crooked CEO that wants to loot the pension plan, prop the stock price up with lies, and liquidate his stock options right before the company crashes in a massive accounting scandal.

Just like his good friend "Kenny Boy" Lay.

Crooked CEO's don't care about the health of the company. It's all about short-term profits, with long-term damage. The consequences are for someone else to worry about.

[Martin Eden]

52. What is America?

The right wing coalition seeks revolutionary change, which by definition requires the destruction of the existing order. The cultural warriors believe they are actually restoring the true America, which they define as a Christian nation of God-fearing patriots.

However, in the process they are destroying more than what they perceive as decadant liberalism. Their intolerance of those who don't conform to their definition of America, and the right wing power elite's increasing control of media and the federal government is eroding the liberties upon which America was founded. Liberty fosters a healthy diversity, as opposed to the sickness of lockstep conformity.

Conformity often means blind obeisance to a power structure with an agenda not apparent in their stated goals. The corporate military/industrial powers that be have cleverly manipulated the faithful into sustaining a system that benefits a few at the expense of the many. The wealthy and powerful have so cleverly cloaked themselves in the populusim of religion and conservative values that efforts to expose these charlatans are met with stiff resistance by the faithful who see only the cloak and not what lies beneath. The culture wars effectively distract the citizenry from the hidden war in which the wealth and power of this country is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

We are witnessing creative destruction, in which the new order will in reality be a far cry from what the faithful believe they are helping to create. Change is inevitable and America constantly redefines itself, but we must resist with every ounce of strength the erosion of our Constitutional liberties and the cultural movement that seeks to silence dissent through media control and close-minded conformity.

[cease_fire]

53. This is just a little educated guess...

The Republican mantra has always been "Smaller Federal Government". Back in the good old days, a Republican's fundamental position was that power should be in the hands of state and local governments.

Cut to: Today.

As Government services continue to fail on unprecedented levels, one solution to staunching the raft of failures is privatization.

Consider:

The US Army Core of Engineers would be an ideal candidate to restore the Iraq Oil infrastructure while it was clear that the country was still unstable. But, by declaring an end to major combat operations, Shrub made outsourcing a viable policy.

Consider:

The Treasury, in fact the Country, is slowly going bankrupt - When there is no money left for basic federal services, like Prisons, Health and Human Services, National Security, Education, etc. The only alternative would be to Privatize those departments so that they could continue to operate.

Privatization of the federal prison system, for example, would mean billions of dollars per year to a corporation willing to invest it's own money upfront in order to stabilize a catastrophic failure.

Lastly, consider this:

Our intelligence apparatus has "Failed". According to the GAO, our intelligence and defense industry consume about 40% of every tax dollar collected.

In fact, our intelligence budget last year was up wards of 40 billion dollars.

Both parties are convinced that your intelligence apparatus has failed.

What to do? What to do?

Make it private?

Consider: Currently, our intelligence apparatus has been slowly segmented into spin-off's of their parent departments:

NSA, DEA, even Homeland Security.

If there's a terrorist attack on US soil again, because Bush initially opposed the creation of a Homeland Security Department, it could be a relatively easy thing to spin another failure in such a way (especially if folks are shell shocked from an attack) as to allow the privatization of that department.

Remember how easy it was to pass the Patriot act immediately after 9/11?

My guess is that Bush is not trying to destroy the country - he's trying to destroy the government. The ultimate outcome would be a broad privatization of traditionally government run services, with the end result being that out current tax system would be altered, or abolished. Ever single service, from garbage to water to Education to Health and Human services to well, you get the idea, would become Pay as You Go.

In other words - our capitalist democracy would no longer be suited to support the general welfare. We would become a capitalist fascist corporate state.

If you take a look at Shrubs track records, all of the services and the departments that he promised to fund and have not funded usually have some sort of private alternative already operating.

Health care, for example. He hasn't announce any sort of federal health care initative because the private sector is doing a killing.

Education - No Child Left Behind. The private alternative? Private Schools.

Security? Blackwell, Carlyle, etc.

Defense? Boeing, McDonald Douglass, etc.

NASA? All of the above. George did just say he wants to go to Mars, right?

And how about Missile Defense? When that fails (as if it hasn't already...) don't you think there wouldn't be a zillion corporations (Raytheon) lined up to "Fix" it?



Flame Suit on.

[PATRICK]

59. win-win and spinning

Total confidence and confidence games. One patently self-delusional and one a knowingly sneaky lie. They seem contradictory but so is everything or else why would a CEO who has everything arrogantly keep committing crimes and trusting to unsustainable schemes until they collapse?

The criminal mind presumes to be worldly wise and smarter than the average schmoe and especially to be a winner. All these contradictory power assertions and contradicted lies.

Prison or mental breakdown and eventually the healing process of blaming someone else for their failures.

And you are trying to apply decency, shared values and truth to their actions and motives? This is a disease, not an ingenious plan.

However, the trajectory of their schemes and what they work with is something we MUST face and ferret out and stop attributing our value systems to. These are destructive, wrong headed egomaniacs who must subjugate and destroy all contrary realities(perhaps all reality is contrary to their imposed fantasies!). That must include America in any shape or form as a free democratic nation, whether they can see that or not.

And most are venal and small like little flames or worms devouring a static corpse.

[cease_fire]

64. Deceny? Are you kidding?

Please understand, The ends nor the means of their approach to governement and ultimately, domination are not my cup of tea.

The point of my post was to come down from the 30,000 foot view.

I think we all know what they want - I'm suggesting that this is how their going to do it.

Whether it's a disease or not, there is structure - malignant and disingenous, yes - but random? No. And frankly, thats why I don't think any one should dismiss them as "Just" bad people.

It's more than that. There's a purpose, which make them even more dangerous.

I'm suggesting that we understand the motivations - that's more important than a summary judgment and a dismissal of "Their just evil"..

They are all of those things, and - AND they know how to get what they want.

It's been my sordid experience that they only way to defeat an adversay is to understand the steps that they are willing to take in order to achive their ultimate goal. If you know what they are, you can always be a step or 2 ahead of them.

Hope that makes sense.

[Geo55]

54. Think of when you where in school

They where the fearful ones who gathered into cliques around charasmatic "leaders"
They looked down with distain at their "lesser" peers , and looked up to authority figures with ass-kissing admiration.
The elixer of group think and ego identification was intoxicating.

.....yeah , it's all MONEY/POWER/DAMAGED EGOS....an' they'll barricade themselves in their little caves as the world goes up in flames to protect all of them.

[camero]

55. Actually no

He and his cronies are not only trying to destroy America, they are trying to destroy the world and steal what they can from everybody below.

[homelandpunk]

56. Answer to 1st part: OF COURSE! Answer to 2nd: population depletion

Globally. They want to get rid of their perceived "cockroach element" of society on a global scale. They want to do a holocaust, but contrive events in such a way that they won't "feel" as evil as Hitler who planned holocausts directly, with clear-cut programs.
At least Hitler was racist about his holocaust and not a hypocrite. These fuckers want to kill off all kinds of people of all kinds of races and religions and do it without being obvious to themselves that THEY did the killing. They want to say to themselves after they are left standing: "Evil people caused all this. Not us."
Truly worse than Hitler on all points.

[banana republican]

58. YES

As I recall in taking a class in Fascism when I was in college (40 years ago) was man and superman. ala Nietzsche. Part of the Fascist belief system was the survival of the fattest.

As such Hitler destroyed Germany because it was not going to rule the world for the next 1000 years.

Any Philosophy/History types here to confirm or reject???

[G_j]

60. no they are trying to destroy the planet eom

[serryjw]

61. World Domination

A world without borders so all the multinationals can have 6 BILLION slaves

[wordout]

69. Thats way too many unenlightened 'eaters

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

http://www.tylwythteg.com/guide.html

[rman]

63. just look at who benefits from the destruction - that's why

"There's either a vast left-wing conspiracy or a vast right-wing conspiracy, just look at who's getting poorer, who's getting richer, and who's dying." - me, 2004

[Hubert Flottz]

67. To equalize the world wide standard of living for the working.......

class! The NeoKKKons will be the masters and you and I will be the slaves! It's the "New World Order"!