It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread

[bobthedrummer]

Know the enemy, and never forget.

http://falloutshelternews.com/BushHitlerLinks.html

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/waryearsp5.html

Please add to this thread.

[rock]

1. I keep telling you, you keep this up and

you're gonna give the nazis a bad name.

[Bundbuster]

84. Thanks Rock...

for turning my keyboard into a liquid pink Ben & Jerry's Cherry Garcia receptacle... at least it didn't hit the carpet!

[Solomon]

2. I wish like hell it would be made public news.

Whenever I tell people about it, they give me that you're a kook look. I hate that his family keeps on continually keeps on GETTING OVER@!. Clinton couldn't unzip to take a piss, and this guy can shit on everything and people buy it. ARRRRHGH! I gotta stop before my blood pressure goes up again.

[nolabels]

3. Sounds like a good ideal

Searched DU for Bush/Nazis from the last 3 months and only found 33 threads, this one seemed kind of interesting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=186838&mesg_id=186838

[SpiralHawk]

4. useful for DU newbies gackground, and for Veteran refreshment

"I think the American people--I hope the American--I don't think, let me--I hope the American people trust me."
- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2002

[Octafish]

5. For Democracy's sake, it's always a good thing to remind the public, Bob!

Great overview of CIA's Dirtiest Secret at Consortium News:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/051601a.html


Good comparison between 1933 Germany and 2003 USA:

http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm




Heil, Bushler!

[Twenty3]

21. Great minds think alike :)

And I don't mean THESE two...

[lumpy]

34. OMG, the physical resemblance is startling !

Powerfull gif.

[ComerPerro]

6. Compare all you want

But the public will never buy it. The reason for this is that despite the glaring similarities, people look at the Nazis as they were in 1942. They see the world at war, they see a huge empire headed by an evil, power-hungry dictator, and they see millions of citizens killed because of their beliefs and background.

What people need to realize is that this did not happen overnight. The wealthy in Germany were quite pleased with the Nazi party in the early thirties, as were most of the German population.

People tend to forget that the Nazis did not become the Nazis of history simply overnight. It took about eight years.

[9215]

8. Good point

This is really true. The image people get when you talk about the Bush's connection to the Nazis is death camps and slaughter,and they forget that their was alot of euphoria and hubris before that.



Thanks agains for bringing this up Bob.

[lumpy]

37. The comparison

is in the propaganda, agenda, dictatorial methods used by Bushco. The tools of fear of reprisal, censorship, human rights violations, and a bit of benevolent crumbs can be effective in controlling nations. Bush said it himself, how much easier it would be if he were dictator. Aren't these the methods Saddam used to remain in power? If Bushco remains in power the resemlance will become even more apparent. Inspite of lack of Hitlerian charisma, Bush is lauded by the right as a great leader.

[nolabels]

138. You should give a little background on who these wealthy Germans.......

Were, where they connected to (or jumped off into the US) From a link to a post above try this.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
Chapter - II - The Hitler Project

Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy

In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.@s1

The order seizing the bank `` vests '' (seizes) `` all of the capital stock of Union Banking Corporation, a New York corporation, '' and names the holders of its shares as:

`` E. Roland Harriman--3991 shares ''


`` Cornelis Lievense--4 shares ''


`` Harold D. Pennington--1 share ''


`` Ray Morris--1 share ''




`` Prescott S. Bush--1 share ''


`` H.J. Kouwenhoven--1 share ''


`` Johann G. Groeninger--1 share ''


`` all of which shares are held for the benefit of ... members of the Thyssen family, is property of nationals ... of a designated enemy country.... ''

By Oct. 26, 1942, U.S. troops were under way for North Africa. On Oct. 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.@s2
(snip)

Or little on Fritz Thyssen

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERthyssen.htm
(snip)
Fritz Thyssen, the son of the successful industrialist, August Thyssen (1842-1926), was born on the 9th November, 1873. He joined the German Army in 1896 and reached the rank of second lieutenant.

In 1898 Thyssen joined Thyssen & Co a company owned by his father in the Ruhr. By the outbreak of the First World War the company employed 50,000 workers and produced 1,000,000 tons of steel and iron a year.

In 1923 took part in the resistance against the Ruhr Occupation by Belgian and French troops. He was arrested and received a large fine for his activities.

At a meeting with General Eric Ludendorff in October 1923, Thyssen was advised to go and hear Adolf Hitler speak. He did this and was so impressed he began to finance the Nazi Party.
(snip)

Btw, I think these are the parts that edited out of US school textbooks

[DemVet]

159. People are free to compare, but....

....all I think it does is nullify legitimate criticism and allow undecided voters to negate our remarks.

[mopaul]

7. heil bush

[UTUSN]

9. How About a Shrub/Caligula Variation

It took the Romans "three years, ten months and eight days" to get to know the real Caligula. This would take us to, uh, November 2004.

******QUOTE*****
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/suetonius-caligula.html

.... rearing a viper for the Roman people and a Phaethon (": a son of Helios who drives his father's sun-chariot through the sky but loses control and is struck down by a thunderbolt of Zeus") for the world. ....

.... he poisoned Tiberius, as some think, and ordered that his ring be taken from him while he still breathed ....

.... By thus gaining the throne he fulfilled the highest hopes of the Roman people, or I may say of all mankind, since he was the prince most earnestly desired by the great part of the provincials and soldiers, many of whom had known him in his infancy ....

.... He even used openly to deplore the state of his times, because they had been marked by no public disasters,.....and every now and then he wished for the destruction of his armies, for famine, pestilence, fires, or a great earthquake. ....

.... ruled three years, ten months and eight days ....
*****UNQUOTE****

[UTUSN]

19. Why Is This Thread So Popular? Could It Be CALIGULA?

THREE TEN EIGHT!!!!

[Sweetpea]

10. With more soldiers getting killed, the bombing of the UN in Iraq

the enemy not really being identified. They say Saddam Loyalists, but soon it will just be Islamic extremists like the hijackers of 9/11. We got to get rid of them all. There will be arguments about Guantanamo Bay that these people are enemies and don't deserve trials. We are at war with these people....these people being Muslims at the end.

[demgrrrll]

11. If you get a chance look at the letters section in Vanity Fair this month

there is a photograph of a Bush administration official and a photograph of a Nazi minister in similar still poses. The writer has many harsh things to say about the Bush administration. I was surprised that they printed the letter and the photographs.

[seemslikeadream]

12. Thanks for that info

I've started a scrapbook. This will be a time to look back on. Who were brave enough to speak the truth. Who were the heros.

[catzies]

39. I have that! I wish they posted their issues online.

Everyone get to the newsstand or library and get it if you can. Unfortunately it's their "biggest issue ever," coming in at over 400 pages and it feels like it weighs three pounds.

Anyway, it's a contemporary photo of Richard Perle printed next to a photo of Joseph Goebbels and a few other men in the photo with him, but PERLE AND GOEBBELS ARE STRIKING THE EXACT SAME POSE IN EACH PHOTO. :wow:

Credit goes to the reader who noticed the similarity and brought it to Vanity Fair's attention, and they printed it. It's eerie as hell.

[bobthedrummer]

13. Thanx to all that have responded, yes it is always a good thread

because of the terrible truth.
Kick :dem:

[iangb]

14. OK. OK. They're Nazis.....

.....and just like Hitler and his gang.

So who are you?

Are you going to be like those who meekly let it happen?...those cafe socialists who tut - tutted their way into the camps.

The BFEE can be stopped....it's almost, but not quite too late.

F'Chrisakes do something to get Bush's Emegency Powers limited!.......NOW!

It was exactly such a weakness in the German constitution that made it so easy for Hitler to increase his power.....and kill democracy.

[Zhade]

18. So what do we do?

Seriously. What do we do when they steal 2004?

We're all thinking it. But no one's saying it. Probably because, well, we want to stay out of prison.

[iangb]

20. First, rattle your Reps cages.....

It's Congress that has handed the WH these powers, and Congress are the only one's who can limit them.

It's a long-shot I know.....but it may just forestall some very messy alternatives.

Some information on the Emergency Powers http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html


<snip>
At present, the President has opted to exercise only a few of his emergency powers. Under the National Emergencies Act, at this time, he is only utilizing provisions relating to the military.

Will the President choose to use additional powers? It depends on the future. Because we don't know what shape this undeclared war on terrorism will take, we can't know what powers this president - or any successor - might need to cope with the problems of terrorism.

An American President, should he need them, possesses awesome powers. Those powers potentially include what political scientists have described as the powers of a "constitutional dictatorship." No President has ever had to go that far - although they have come close.

more....

[chadm]

38. And its the Dems who did it

so, really, WTF do we do?

[iangb]

46. If it was me....

I'd be writing, phoning, e-mailing my Rep to get him/her to show me the safeguards......and if they can't do that (and they can't)...circulating that fact as widely as possible.

But it has to be their words that make the point. In the current climate anyone other than a Lawmaker making these claims would be dismissed as 'Just another crank'.

[diamondsoul]

50. I don't think it matters, lawmaker or not.

The ones that have spoken up about issues like this have been touted as cranks anyway.

[bobthedrummer]

51. Well, diamondsoul, welcome to the crank club!

I've been touted much worse than a crank. But it is a better term than most!:hi:
:dem:

[Octafish]

15. We can't leave LOFTUS out of this important thread.

The former US Attorney, now head of the Florida Holocaust Museum in Miami, has made clear the contacts between the Bush and Thyssen families, earning Prescott the moniker "Hitler's Angel." I'd say it's interesting, if it wasn't so maddening...


HEIR TO THE HOLOCAUST

EXCERPT...

But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact - that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II. It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.

The US government had known that many American companies were aiding Hitler, like Standard Oil, General Motors and Chase Bank, all of which was sanctioned after Pearl Harbor. But as The New York Times reporter Charles Higham later discovered, and published in his 1983 groundbreaking book, Trading With The Enemy; The Nazi American Money Plot 1933-1949, "the government smothered everything during and even after the war."

Why? According to Higham, the US government believed "a public scandal ... would have drastically affected public morale, caused widespread strikes and perhaps provoked mutinies in the armed services." Higham claims the government thought "their trial and imprisonment would have made it impossible for the corporate boards to help the American war effort." However, Prescott Bush's banks were not just financing Hitler as previously reported. In fact, there was a distinct business link much deeper than Mr. Higham or Mr. Loftus knew at the time their books were published. A classified Dutch intelligence file which was leaked by a courageous Dutch intelligence officer, along with newly surfaced information from U.S. government archives, "confirms absolutely," John Loftus says, the direct links between Bush, Thyssen and genocide profits from Auschwitz.

CONTINUED...

http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp

[bobthedrummer]

16. We can't leave out The National Archives either

They are a treasure trove on those who profited with The Third Reich, especially Gates McGarrah {Richard McGarrah Helms/CIA Director's maternal grandfather} http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/hr071498/maloney.html
and US Sen. Prescott Bush
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/trade_with_third_reich.html

:dem:

[iangb]

17. Yes, it's a troubling history, but......

...your (our) problem is immediate.

It's what they may do next that you (we) should be paying attention to.

[Octafish]

22. We only have one real weapon on our side.

And it's the most powerful one of all — The Truth.

And what the Reich and its stooge Bush most fear, after an informed populace, is Justice.

[bobthedrummer]

23. Yep, it isn't here yet but Justice is coming.

The neoconservatives know it, we know it-many municipal governments are rejecting PATRIOT ACT as we post, Tampa just called the TIA worthless--TAMPA isn't going for this mentality of face recognition and bio-metrics from that traitor and war criminal John Poindexter, so things are improving piecemeal.

PATRIOT II is toast for working families.
http://www.labornet.org/news/0603/sflcwar.htm

One of the hidden historical facts that President Clinton did begin work on are the Nazis that found homes and jobs in US national security here, President Clinton deserves credit for seeking to prosecute and extradite them regardless of age.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEL305A.html

http://www.spectrezine.org/resist/bush.htm

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

It is our own fascists in the extreme RW of the Republican Party that will eventually get the people's justice, it will be sweet.

[Octafish]

24. Remember Russ Belant and Chip Berlet .

Thanks for a great post, too, Bob DU Drummer Friend! Working together to spread the word on the Little Turd from Crawford and Vast Reich Wing Conspiracy he fronts for is how we can speed the day.

For those who don't know Russ Belant and Chip Berlet, they are investigative reporters associated with Political Research Associates of Cambridge, Massachusetts.

A review from an unknown author:

Old Nazis & The New Right

by Russ Bellant

If you can bear to think back to the 1988 presidential election, you'll recall that at one point Bush had to dismiss several Nazis from the top of his campaign committee. This article discusses the role that fascists and Nazi collaborators have played in the new right's subversion of traditional Republican values. Bellant focuses on the Republican Heritage Groups Council, a Nazi nest which Bush and Reagan have courted in their pursuit of power. It was Bellant's research which forced the dismissal of some of Bush's Nazi friends from the campaign committee, but as Bellant points out, While Bush campaign spokespersons pledged there would be an investigation into the background and views of the CAN members whose resignations it had announced, no serious investigation ever took place and the campaign repeatedly referred to the charges as unsubstantiated politically-motivated smears. Several of the persons who had been reported as resigning told journalists they had never been asked to resign and considered themselves still active with the Bush campaign.

Here's an excerpt from their work:

What distinguishes Nazism from generic fascism is its obsession with racial theories of superiority, and some would say, its roots in the socialist theory of proletarian revolution.

Fascism and Nazism as ideologies involve, to varying degrees, some of the following hallmarks:

*** Nationalism and super-patriotism with a sense of historic mission.

*** Aggressive militarism even to the extent of glorifying war as good for the national or individual spirit.

*** Use of violence or threats of violence to impose views on others (fascism and Nazism both employed street violence and state violence at different moments in their development).

*** Authoritarian reliance on a leader or elite not constitutionally responsible to an electorate.

*** Cult of personality around a charismatic leader.

*** Reaction against the values of Modernism, usually with emotional attacks against both liberalism and communism.

*** Exhortations for the homogeneous masses of common folk (Volkish in German, Populist in the U.S.) to join voluntarily in a heroic mission_often metaphysical and romanticized in character.

*** Dehumanization and scapegoating of the enemy_seeing the enemy as an inferior or subhuman force, perhaps involved in a conspiracy that justifies eradicating them.

*** The self image of being a superior form of social organization beyond socialism, capitalism and democracy.

*** Elements of national socialist ideological roots, for example, ostensible support for the industrial working class or farmers; but ultimately, the forging of an alliance with an elite sector of society.

*** Abandonment of any consistent ideology in a drive for state power.

It is vitally important to understand that fascism and Nazism are not biologically or culturally determinant. Fascism does not attach to the gene structure of any specific group or nationality. Nazism was not the ultimate expression of the German people. Fascism did not end with World War II.

After Nazi Germany surrendered to the Allies, the geopolitical landscape of Europe was once again drastically altered. In a few short months, some of our former fascist enemies became our allies in the fight to stop the spread of communism. The record of this transformation has been laid out in a series of books. U.S. recruitment of the Nazi spy apparatus has been chronicled in books ranging from by Hohne & Zolling, to the recent by Simpson. The laundering of Nazi scientists into our space program is chronicled in by Bowers. The global activities of, and ongoing fascist role within, the World Anti-Communist League were described in by Anderson and Anderson. Bellant's bibliography cites many other examples of detailed and accurate reporting of these disturbing realities.

SOURCE:

—Russ Bellant (Chip Berlet, Introduction) “Old NAZIs, the New Right and the Reagan Administration: The Role of Domestic Fascist Networks in the Repubican Party and Their Effect on U.S. Cold War Politics.” 1988. Political Research Associates, Cambridge, Mass.

PS: We can't forget Mae Brussell and her work in this area. THe late Ms. Brussell documented the connection between the NAZIs and the events in Dallas of November 22, 1963.

[Karenina]

25. KICK!

:kick:

[nolabels]

144. Mae Brussell is a good name to bring up, lots of things there

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination

Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy
by Mae Brussell
(from the short-lived Larry Flynt publication The Rebel, Nov. 22, 1983)

1940-1945: The Nazi Connection to Dallas:
General Reinhard Gehlen

The sparrow-faced man in the battle uniform of an American general clambered down the steps of the U.S. Army transport plane upon its arrival at Washington National Airport. It was August 24, 1945, two weeks after the surrender of Japan, three months after the German capitulation. The general was hustled into a van with no windows and whisked to Fort Hunt outside the capital. There he was attended by white-jacketed orderlies and, the next morning, fitted with a dark-grey business suit from one of Washington's swankiest men's stores.
General Reinhard Gehlen was ready to cut a deal.
Reinhard Gehlen had been, up until the recent capitulation, Adolph Hitler's chief intelligence officer against the Soviet Union. His American captors had decked him out in one of their uniforms to deceive the Russians, who were hunting him as a war criminal. Now U.S. intelligence was going to deploy Gehlen and his network of spies against the Russians. The Cold War was on.
This is a story of how key nazis, even as the Wehrmacht was still on the offensive, anticipated military disaster and laid plans to transplant nazism, intact but disguised, in havens in the West. It is the story of how honorable men, and some not so honorable, were so blinded by the Red menace that they fell into lockstep with nazi designs. It is the story of the Odd Couple Plus One: the mob, the CIA and fanatical exiles, each with its own reason for gunning for Kennedy. It is a story that climaxes in Dallas on November 22, 1963 when John Kennedy was struck down. And it is a story with an aftermath -- America's slide to the brink of fascism. As William L. Shirer, author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, put it in speaking of the excesses of the Nixon administration, "We could become the first country to go fascist through free elections."


Photo by Wide World


General Reinhard Gehlen, shown (center) in a rare photograph taken during WWII.


Even Robert Ludlum would have been hard put to invent a more improbable espionage yam. In the eyes of the CIA Reinhard Gehlen was an "asset" of staggering potential. He was a professional spymaster, violently anti-Communist and, best of all, the controller of a vast underground network still in place inside Russian frontiers. His checkered past mattered not. "He's on our side and that's all that matters," chuckled Allen Dulles, a U.S. intelligence officer during the war who later headed the CIA. "Besides, one need not ask a Gehlen to one's club."
Gehlen negotiated with his American "hosts" with the cool hand of a Las Vegas gambler. When the German collapse was at hand, he had looked to the future. He lugged all his files into the Bavarian Alps and cached them at a site called, appropriately, Misery Meadows. Then he buried his Wehrmacht uniform with the embroidered eagle and swastika, donned an Alpine coat, and turned himself in to the nearest U.S. Army detachment. When the advancing Russians searched his headquarters at Zossen, all they found were empty file cabinets and litter.
The deal Gehlen struck with the Americans was not, for obvious reasons, released to the Washington Post. As Heinz Hohne and Hermann Zolling phrased it in The General Was A Spy, the German general took his entire apparatus, "unpurged and without interruption, into the service of the American superpower." There is no evidence that he ever renounced the Third Reich's postwar plan, advanced by his own family's publishing house, to colonize vast regions of Eastern Russia, create a huge famine for 40,000,000, and treat the remaining 50,000,000 "racially inferior Slavs as slaves."
Allen Dulles may not have invited such a man to his club, but he did the next best thing: he funneled an aggregate of $200 million in CIA funds to the Gehlen Organization as it became known. Directing operations from a fortress-like nerve center in Bavaria, Gehlen reactivated his network inside Russia. Soon, news of the first Russian jet fighter, the MiG-15, was channeled back to the West. In 1949 the general scored an espionage coup when he turned up Soviet plans for the remilitarization of East Germany.
When Dulles spoke, Gehlen listened. The CIA chief was convinced, along with his brother, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, that the "captive nations" of the Soviet bloc would rise up if given sufficient encouragement. At his behest, Gehlen recruited and trained an exile mercenary force ready to rush in without involving American units. Also at Dulles' direction, Gehlen tapped the ranks of his wartime Russian collaborators for a cadre of spies to be parachuted into the Soviet Union. Some of these spies were schooled at the CIA's clandestine base at Atsugi, Japan, where, in 1957, a young Marine named Lee Harvey Oswald was posted to the U-2 spy plane operation there.
(snip)

[bobthedrummer]

145. The Last Words of Lee Harvey Oswald

compiled by Mae Brussell
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html

[nolabels]

146. This does sounds like a loop that got stuck on my CD player

Do you notice anything similar to 9/11, where two hours (some reports even say only 10 minutes) of who all the people where that were behind the hijackings. This information got sent out trough various stenographers called corporate media, which also told us how necessary the war (invasion) of Iraq was. Do these slugs even read the stuff after it’s printed?

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
1963: Dallas
The Government Decides That Truth Doesn't Exist

At noon, on a street in Dallas, the president of the United States is assassinated. He is hardly dead when the official version is broadcast. In that version, which will be the definitive one, Lee Harvey Oswald alone has killed John Kennedy.
The weapon does not coincide with the bullet, nor the bullet with the holes. The accused does not coincide with the accusation: Oswald is an exceptionally bad shot of mediocre physique, but according to the official version, his acts were those of a champion marksman and Olympic sprinter. He has fired an old rifle with impossible speed and his magic bullet, turning and twisting acrobatically to penetrate Kennedy and John Connally, the governor of Texas, remains miraculously intact.
Oswald strenuously denies it. But no one knows, no one will ever know what he has to say. Two days later he collapses before the television cameras, the whole world witness to the spectacle, his mouth shut by Jack Ruby, a two-bit gangster and minor trafficker in women and drugs. Ruby says he has avenged Kennedy out of patriotism and pity for the poor widow.

--Eduardo Galeano, Memory of Fire: III Century of the Wind. Part Three of
a Trilogy, translated by Cedric Belfrage, Pantheon Books, 1988, p. 183

the following is taken from The People's Almanac #2,
by David Wallechinsky and Irving Wallace, Bantam Books, 1978, pp. 47-52
(snip)

[bobthedrummer]

26. Kick

:dem:

[seemslikeadream]

28. Song of Choice

written by Peggy Seeger
Thanks to Frank Harte for putting this song on a tape for Karan ages ago

Early every year the seeds are growing
Unseen unheard they lie beneath the ground
Would you know before the leaves are showing
That with weeds all your garden will abound

If you close your eyes, stop your ears
Hold your tongue, how can you know?
The seeds you cannot see may not be there
The seeds you cannot hear may never grow

In January you've still got the choice
You can cut the weeds before they start to bud
If you leave them to grow higher
they'll silence your voice
And in December you may pay with your blood

So close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Everyday another vulture takes flight
There's another danger born every morning
In the darkness of your blindness
the beast will learn to bite
How can you fight if you can't recognise a warning

So close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

Today you may earn a living wage
Tomorrow you may be on the dole
Though there's millions going hungry
you needn't disengage
For it's them not you that's fallen in the hole

It's alright for you if you run with the pack
It's alright if you agree with all they do
If the fascist's party slowly climbing back
It's not here yet so what's it got to do with you

The weeds are all around us and they're growing
It will soon be too late for the knife
If you leave them on the wind that
around the world is blowing
You may pay for your silence with your life

So close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth, they're never there
And if it happens here they'll never come for you
Because they'll know you really didn't care.

[Octafish]

27. Origins of the G.W. Bush-Carlyle-Nazi Axis

Interesting reading for those who want to trace the direct line from Wall Street to the OSS to the CIA leadership to the NAZI-Gehlen spies to the GOP and post-November 22, 1963 America:

Origins of the G.W. Bush-Carlyle-Nazi Axis

By Alex Constantine

Even loyal conservatives must admit that George Bush, Jr. is a strange bird. Texans have never truly accepted him as one of their own. "Like his father," the UK's Observer jeered in 1994, "his home-grown credentials are questioned." In general, the natives were somewhat uneasy about the occasional bizarre antic - like the first day of a local dove shoot, highlighted by Bush bagging a protected songbird, not the designated target (Ed Vulliamy, "White Hot Mama fights a Texan Bush War," Observer, October 2, 1994). "No real Texan would have done that!" barked then Governor Ann Richards.

But then, in the mid-90s, the Texas political landscape shifted radically, the old order crumbling and a home-grown right-wing mutation plowing through the crust. Democrats had dominated the state since the Civil War, but with missionary zeal the Christian Right rallied and seized control of the Republican Party, led by the state's Christian Coalition and Eagle Forum, and went on to demonstrate that any political machine is mutable, even in the deep South.

But Bush still didn't quite fit the ticket, some Texans felt. True, his business was petroleum. But shortly after George, Jr. joined the board of Harken Oil, BCCI, the international bank that parlayed middle eastern oil profits into political influence, not to mention engaging in child prostitution and arming Iraq, dropped a number of lucrative drilling contracts in his lap (Petzinger, Truell & Abramson, 'Family Ties,' Wall Street Journal, December 5, 1991, p. 1). Texans were left to ponder the question: Why in tarnation was Bush, Jr. in business with the scandal-ridden Shiek Khalifah bin-Salmon al-Khalifah, the ruling emir of Bahrain? In 1990, the Shiek's name surfaced on a list of primary shareholders in BCCI's parent company, BCCI Holdings in Luxembourg. Bush had pulled strings to throw the contracts to Harken. In return, Harken Oil helped BCCI investment bankers gain a foothold in the U.S. When the Iraqgate scandal broke, W. attempted to separate himself from it, blaming a former aide who had gone to work for BCCI and resigned when the press caught a whiff of the deal.

At the same time, it was clear that Junior had his eye fixed on his father's old eyrie in Washington. W. had been one of Bush, Sr.'s leading advisors, a "lead player," in "the campaign to oust White House Chief of Staff John Sununu" (Pertzinger, Truell & Abramson). He was an old hand at gamesmanship by the time he landed his gubernatorial seat.
The W.S. Journal looked into Bush's business dealings and found a "complex pattern" of provocative personal and financial ties, but Bush refused to respond to questions: "George W. Bush, a managing partner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, declined to be interviewed," but "he did provide brief responses to written questions through an intermediary." Where was the Texas moralist with an aversion to "even" the vaguest appearance of wrong-doing? In hiding.

CONTINUED...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/carlyle-bush-osb.html

[UTUSN]

31. Carlyle Co-founder RUBENSTEIN Was Jimmy CARTER Staffer

******QUOTE*****
http://prorev.com/bushcarlyle.htm
....
But when we were putting the board together, somebody came to me and said, look there is a guy who would like to be on the board. He's kind of down on his luck a bit. Needs a job. Needs a board position. Needs some board positions. Could you put him on the board? Pay him a salary and he'll be a good board member and be a loyal vote for the management and so forth.

I said well we're not usually in that business. But okay, let me meet the guy. I met the guy. I said I don't think he adds that much value. We'll put him on the board because - you know - we'll do a favor for this guy; he's done a favor for us.

We put him on the board and spent three years. Came to all the meetings. Told a lot of jokes. Not that many clean ones. And after a while I kind of said to him, after about three years - you know, I'm not sure this is really for you. Maybe you should do something else. Because I don't think you're adding that much value to the board. You don't know that much about the company.

He said, well I think I'm getting out of this business anyway. And I don't really like it that much. So I'm probably going to resign from the board. ....

*****UNQUOTE****

[Octafish]

32. Small world for the Little Turd from Crawford.

And it's mighty lonely for mopes like me who wouldn't know 50 cent from a c-note.

That's a great article, UTUSN. It shows the unelected fraud has ONE perfect record: Bush has never worked a day in his life.

[nolabels]

87. Them small little circles these people run around in make me........

Claustrophobic, sometimes I wonder what’s next, and then I come to DU land and realize it already happened.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index8.html
The house that Jack built
by Daniel Hopsicker
October 31--Venice, Florida

"At first glance it might seem curious that former President George Bush would attend an event honoring Jackson T. Stephens, the biggest Democratic power broker in Bill Clinton's home state," read one news report. "But Mr. Stephens, a self-made billionaire investment banker and philanthropist, is financing a cause that transcends politics: golf."

While Mr. Stephens is often busy with his many philanthropic activities, he did manage to have found enough time to later be fingered as the "Old Man" behind the Mena, Arkansas cocaine smuggling scandal dogging Bill Clinton throughout his time in office.
(snip)
(snip)
Interestingly enough, the Venice Airport also surfaced briefly in the questioning of Oliver North during the Iran Contra hearings, when a man with a local aviation business named Joe Duncan was alleged to have run guns to the Contras from the airport.

Stephens' colorful curriculum vitae also includes the fact that he was roommates with President Jimmy Carter at the US Naval Academy.
(snip)

[seventhson]

139. Another reason Kerry creeps me out

small circles:


Skull and Bones member with the Bushes (and two of the other Brown Brothers Nazi Investors listed above)


Hockey Teammate of FBI Coverup artist Director Robert Mueller at St. Paul's prep school

[bobthedrummer]

141. The ties that bind, old school ties, etc...

eom:hi:

[Octafish]

142. Kerry fought the BFEE and he's a friend of JFK who fought NAZIs

John Kerry was friends with John F Kennedy. Kennedy lost Joseph P Kennedy Jr., his big brother fighting the NAZIs. There's no way Kerry would do anything other than fight these mass murderers.

When his country called, John Kerry responded. In Vietnam, he volunteered for the dangerous missions. In the Senate, almost single-handedly, he went after Ollie North and Poppy Bush for the Iran-Contra drug running. He also went after Poppy Bush, Clark Clifford (who helped established the National Security State) and the CIA in the BCCI affair.

One thing else: You and your repeated smears about Kerry only serve to advance the cause of the NAZIs and the BFEE.

[bobthedrummer]

29. Newly discovered links {from a fellow DUer}

http://home.columbus.rr.com/lfairban/Pages/Newly%20Discovered%20Links.html#Halliburton

[Octafish]

30. Mae Brussell tied NAZIs to JFK Assassination

Here’s a link to an excellent resource by the late Ms. Brussell for those interested in seeing the connections between the fascists of NAZI Germany and their descendants, the Bush Organized Crime Family:

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Nazi%20Connection%20to%20JFK%20Assass.html

Here’s some nice stuff from our friends up north (or to the south, if you live in Detroit):

http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/top_10.asp

Hey! What’s that nice CIA man doing in a NAZI uniform?



When we snuck him in, he was supposed to be a civilian! Ja.

[9215]

73. Excellent!

I finally got a chance to look at this. Oswald also got a job working at a U--2 photo lab in or near Dallas, a job he got from Baron Mohrenshildt whose address book had George Bush's name in it.

This is further corroboration of Oswald working within the intelligence community. Then there is the link between WWII Japanese fascists, Rev. Moon, Korean Intelligence (HID) and Alek HIDell (one of Oswald's aliases).....

[Octafish]

83. De Mohrenschildt knew BUSH and OSWALD on a first-name basis!

The late "Baron" George de Mohrenschildt was the only man known to have been close friends with both Lee Harvey Oswald and George Herbert Walker Bush. The Baron had the home addresses and contact info for each man. He had Bush's nickname, "Poppy" and Zapata oil company info, as well.

That knowledge has driven many people crazy, including an investigator from the House Assassinations Investigation Committee. The guy confirmed — he never said — (ca. 1990) that the agency didn't want people to know what the truth about Dallas and the HAIC was compromised in its sources and methods and limited in what it made public. De Mohrenschildt, for those new to the subject, "committed suicide by shotgun" the VERY DAY the House investigators were going to interview him regarding the JFK assassination.

[9215]

85. If I had one question to ask Poppy

it would be: "Did you know Lee Harvey Oswald"?

Also I would like to ask Dubya the same question about Osama Bin Laden.

Do you have the source on De Mohren's "suicide". Russell has a different account of how the Baron died. The Baron made a tape of what he knew with some guy in France who makes documentaries, can't remember his name. The tape ended up mysteriously missing from his files.

[Octafish]

89. www.ciajfk.com

This site is tricky to reach, but well worth the effort:

http://www.ciajfk.com

Once there, scroll down to “CLICK HERE FOR BUSH-ATTA CONNECTION”

When that frame opens up, ignore the dozens of interesting sections (some regarding the death of the Baron which you’ll want to check out as well as one linking Henry Kissinger to Poppy's appointment as DCI) and scroll down to “CLICK HERE FOR EVIDENCE OF BUSH FAMILY CONSPIRACIES.”

Once that frame opens up, scroll down to various documents linking Poppy and the Baron. If this doesn’t get people aware of the BFEE link to Dallas, they are brain-dead. Thanks a lot, Murdoch.

Sorry this seems confusing. The guy who put together the site is a very competent researcher and a decent writer. His use of frames, however, makes it near impossible to find the same place twice, let alone tell somebody else about it.

[9215]

74. More corroboration

This is from Mae Brussel's article:
Before the election of 1960, a group within the Christian Right plotted to kill John Kennedy in Van Nuys, California while he was still a candidate. The group was a meld of anti-Castro Cubans, Minutemen and home-grown nazis. Some were sought by Jim Garrison, following his arrest of Clay Shaw, for testimony before the New Orleans grand jury. When Garrison forwarded extradition papers for Edgar Eugene Bradley, a member of the group, Governor Ronald Reagan refused to sign them.

Though account is similar to the one in Russell's book: "The Man Who knew too much". CIA agent Richard Nagell states he met the "patsy" for that aborted operation. Only this JFK hit was in 1963.


On edit: some content changed.

[Octafish]

110. Nagell was so scared that summer, he put himself in jail.

Nagell thought he was working to stop the plot against JFK, but then realized he might be getting set up to take the fall for the conspirators. So he walked into a small-town bank in Texas, pulled out a .45 Colt automatic and shot a hole in the ceiling. He then put the weapon down and waited for the police to show up. Nagell told the jailers he wasn't interested in robbing any bank, but he was afraid of being in public when the President went to Dallas because of what was going to happen and what the people he knew knew.

A real interesting character with an amazing tale of the CIA, NAZIs, the Mafia, Big Oil, and Treason. Dick Russell's is a great book. Online a decent psychiatric exam:

http://www.jfk-online.com/nagellpsych.html

[bobthedrummer]

33. Namebase has an interesting list of Nazis, many of them now US citizens

http://www.namebase.org/books43.html

[Randi_Listener]

35. Was that scumbag Hitler....

....a drunk and a cokehead as well?

[nolabels]

36. I feel a draft, throw a couple more logs on, would ya?

Are there other things you might have studied or read about?
How about some of these links
http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/05/robbins.htm
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm
http://www.media-criticism.com/CIA_Whiteout_1999.html
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/history/vonBraun/Moving.html
The Phase III Report Of The U.S. Commission On National Security/21st Century
http://gnn.tv/dangerous/
The Nazi Hydra in Fascist America
http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp#fortune
http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm
http://propagandamatrix.com/archivebushclan.html
http://www.madcowprod.com/
George Bush: An Unauthorized Biography
"The Rise of Hitler: The Reichstag Burns", The History Place: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm

[RoadRunner]

40. the best one is still

Thom Hartmann's classic from a few months back:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm

[Clark Can WIN]

41. My only problem with some of these sites

Is that they make the boy sound like he may have a brain cell. I don't believe he does. Evil I buy, greedy I buy, ugly I buy, smart........... I'm just not buying.:eyes:

[Capn Sunshine]

42. Know what bugs me about this subject?

I've commented about this before here; we have been conditioned to automatically discount anyone who accuses people of being Nazi like, because no "true thinking polite person" would do so. The argument currently en vogue goes something like

" any comparisaons to Nazis diminish the real horror that Nazis were"

This is bad enough, but the sorry complicity of many pillars of the financial community, most notable the Bush Family, the Duilles Family, and the Harriman Family, with the rise to power of the nazis the "polite" erasure of these facts from history books, this is what is shameful.

That the public is so clueless about this allows them to go on about their way. And allows pedantic patronizing "intellectuals" of the right to sneeringly compare our likening of Bush to Hitler and creeping fascism to the right wing lie factory BS that enraged the anti-Clintonist wackos.

Revisionist or not, the TRUTH about the Bush Nazi connection and the subsequent importation of Nazi Party members to work within the confines of the Republican Party Apparatus since 1949 must be repeated like the neocon echo strategy they lifted directly from Goebbels. Part of the insidiousness of their effective campaigning is that when you bring this stuff into the light of day, you are marginalized like some crackpot.

Damn, this infuriates me.
:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[bobthedrummer]

43. Yes, this must be continually publicized to counter the neocons

Kick
:dem:

[Capn Sunshine]

134. Fuckin' A

:kick:

[tom_paine]

44. I have nothing more to add to this fine thread

But it's worth a :kick:

And yes, while these "kinder and gentler" Nazis haven't yet entered their DubyaDubyaTwo Phase, it is in fact the striking similarities to the Nazi Propaganda Machine Machine that the Right-Wing Sub-Media has that we are talking about (until after 2004, anyway)

[bobthedrummer]

45. Primetime kick

:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

47. The sad hidden history of US intelligence importing nazis includes

some rather prominent Americans, such as Werner von Braun, Hubertus Strughold, Walter Dorenberger.

The number of these war criminals recruited is unknown, they were part of Operation PAPERCLIP.

http://www.datafilter.com/mc/paperclip.html

[bobthedrummer]

48. Friday kick

:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

49. More links

from Bartcop, an article about the GOP and Nazi's by Carla Binion
http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm

and this educational PAPERCLIP related one from the students of S. Hale
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~shale/humanities/composition/assignments/experiment/paperclip.html

[nolabels]

61. Found that one from bartcop along with a lot of other links here.........

At http://www.linkcrusader.com/anti-bush.htm

And at the bottom of page is there more link-o-mania, maybe they are not about Bush/nazi's but I sure there is some fine stories hidden in some of them links with over 700 of them that might relate

[seemslikeadream]

52. I feel that a mystery man in the Blackbox voting story

R Doug Lewis may have his roots somewhere in this fascist world. No one to date can find a history of him. But yet he is the self appointed head of the non profit Election Center. The guy is going around this country selling Dieboild voting machines that can be so easily hacked it's unbelieveable. And now some states have asked the SAIC to "look into the matter" under pressure from the tireless work of Bev Harris. Who else would be more intent on fixing elections than a fascist with ties to the CIA/military.

Who is Mr. Lewis? Where did he come from?

He came extremely close to putting enough machines in place that would pick our next president, 04.

He who counts the vote wins!

[bobthedrummer]

53. If you like DynCorp. you'll love the fascists in SAIC {CIAS}

http://www.soci.niu.edu/~crypt/other/saic2.htm

http://www.soci.niu.edu/~crypt?other/saic2.htm

[bobthedrummer]

54. More links, one from The National Archives and one from Jon Rappoport

Banking with the Third Reich
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/banking.html

Experimentation on children by foreign "Dr's" with German accents-mind control
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/mind_control/161916.html

:dem:

[nolabels]

114. This first link gives some very detailed looks at lot of banking deals

Should prove to have a lot of linking points
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/holocaust_era_assets/bibliographies/banking.html

(snip)
Banking

1. Aalders, Gerard and Cees Wiebes. The art of cloaking ownership: the secret collaboration and protection of the German war industry by the neutrals: the case of Sweden. Amsterdam: Amsterdam University Press and the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation, 1996. v, 210 pp.
Note: The authors deal with the activities of Swedish businessmen, representing "neutral" banks and corporations, who cooperated with their counterparts in Nazi-Germany; specifically, there is a focus on the Wallenberg family and their Stockholm Enskilda Bank. Cloaking, or hiding the true Nazi business ownership from Allies is noted, as is the way neutral banks, including Enskilda, helped to dispose of assets looted from occupied territory or Jews.

2. Aarons, Mark and John Loftus. Unholy trinity: the Vatican, the Nazis, and the Swiss banks. Revised ed. New York: St. Martin's Griffin, 1998. xviii, 392 pp.
Note: This book has caused considerable controversy since it first appeared in 1991 as Ratlines; based on British codebreaking of Swiss bank messages, it tells how western money and stolen Nazi money was laundered through Switzerland and then out through the Vatican Bank, the one bank that could not be audited, to South America and back to Germany. The paradoxical role of the Dulles brothers as members of the US intelligence community with connections to German business leaders and the Vatican is detailed. The authors, reporting on the Vatican's Nazi-smuggling network at the end of the war that sent fugitives mostly to Argentina where they were welcomed by the Perons, conclude that the smuggling venture was primarily for the financial interests of non-German investors, including the Vatican
(snip)
On edit: forgot the (snip) and link

[9215]

116. Swiss branch of German Shroeder bank

headed by Dulles. George Patton's army had control of alot of the Nazi loot. Patton dies......

http://www.gooff.com/news/read.asp?ID=1570 (needs more corroboration)

.............Gen. George S. Patton wanted to retire because he planned on being able to speak his mind about America being "soft on Communism." However, before resigning his Commission, he died after an automobile accident forced him to be hospitalized. In 1979, Douglas Bazata, a former Secret Service agent for the Office of Strategic Services OSS (the predecessor of the CIA) revealed that he was ordered by the Director 'Wild Bill' Donovan to kill Patton in 1944. Although he didn't, he knows who did, and said that Patton was killed with cyanide at the hospital he was taken to after the accident.......




That Patton's Army came upon the Nazi loot is documented in the movie Kelly's Heroes (((Just Kidding)))). Seriously, it is documented in a book written by US Treasury official James Martin: "All Honorable men".

If I were to take a stab at what happened I would say that Dulles's bank laundered the Nazi loot money and part, probably a large part, of the quid-pro-quo was helping the Nazi's "acclimate" to the Post WWII era, funded with the laundered money as well as profiting Dulles and his aspirations for being El Capitain of Conciousness.

[nolabels]

118. Interesting, but the site and the link seems to be under construction

Will check back later thanks for the leads anyway. That Patton movie was kind of neat. The silence of what happened does seem suspicious, all years of service, then to go like that, Hmmmmmmm...

[nolabels]

121. There could have been more than one person that wanted him........

Dead, reading from here, If true, this could have been a motive. Anybody that's been in the military will tell you that you don't get to be a Four star (or five star) general by being a nice forgiving person.

http://www.nidlink.com/~aryanvic/ikekike.html
(snip)
One month before the end of World War 11, General Eisenhower issued special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific in the language of those orders was this statement, "Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts." Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war. Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that he hated the German people as a race. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many prisoners of war as possible. Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that date, that German Prisoners of War be redesignated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.

Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower's special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton's untimely and curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these wretched Eisenhower DEF camps.

The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way a few months ago into the hands of a Canadian news reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on September 12,1989 the following, in part:
"...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theatre."

"For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW's on the Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply ... Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald."

It is known, and will be documented in my upcoming book in newsprint format, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, were denied. General Patton's Third Army was the only command in the European Theatre to release significant numbers of Germans. Others, such as Omar Bradley and General J.C.H. Lee, Commander of Com Z, tried, and ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war's end. However, a SHAEF Order, signed by Eisenhower, countermanded them on May 15th
(snip)

[bobthedrummer]

135. Some of the German POW's wound up in Wisconsin camps,and other areas

some of them stayed on IMO, as well as the PAPERCLIP influx right after hostilities ceased, to battle godless communism we imported real Nazis. :argh:
Their families and "friends" too in a betrayal of our US troops that gave so much to defeat the Third Reich.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/ratlines.htm

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEL305A.html

http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/OPpaperclip.htm

http://www.infoage.org/paperclip.html

[9215]

55. Fastforward to present day Nazis in Repug party

This is worth repeating. Check out a book by Martin Lee: "The Beast Reawakens" and "Splendid Blonde Beast" by Simpson. find out why Poppy Bush had to fire Nazis from his party after the Press got a hold of the story.



Village Voice reported on Nov 1, 1988 in "The Real Nazis Behind Every Bush," that "the seven protofascists given the boot by his campaign team two months earlier had been part of the GOP's systematic recruitment of the most extreme rightwing elements in the Eastern European ethnic communities of the United States... The Bush ally with perhaps the closest ties to Hitler's Germany was Yaroslav Stetsko, whose group, the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations , was a prominent participant in a 1983 White House meeting featuring talks by both President Reagan and the vice president. Bush signed a photograph taken at that meeting 'To the Honorable Yaroslav Stesko, With Best Wishes, George Bush.' ...Stetsko (who died in 1986), was an extreme Ukrainian nationalist who collaborated with the Nazis in World War II as the very short term "prime minister" of the "independent" Ukrainian puppet government set up in the Western Lands of the Ukraine, or Galicia. Within two years of the establishment of Stetsko's regime, more than 100,000 Jews were exterminated in the Galician capital of Lvov, according to captured Nazi documents."
Also mentioned in the above article is Pasztor, Guardino, Nixon Heritage Groups, Reagan shaking hands and Bush signing a picture he gave to them. Stetskos actions are explored, very hard core.....one of Allen Dulles "Good Nazis"? He was a member of UKranian Arrow/Cross.

[bobthedrummer]

57. Allen Dulles's brother John Foster was CEO of I.G. Chemical Corp.

in 1928! {source: "Secrets" by the late Angus Mackenzie 1997 University of California Press}.

The same John became a Secretary of State after fronting an I.G.Farben controlled US business.

BTW, here is a link that shows how pharmaceuticals also produce poisons, and I.G. Farben spin-offs Merck/Aventis/Bayer figure in this today.
http://www.redflagsweekly.com/storm_warnings/poison.html

It is a conspiracy, IMHO. Insidious.

[9215]

58. We should combine these threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=212387

Henry Wallace mentions the chemical companies as the roost for American Nazis. Hard to imagine he didn't know of the Dulles involvement in IG Farben.

[seemslikeadream]

71. I wish we could combine these threads

with the blackbox voting threads.

Just a few more machines that's all they'll need.

[9215]

56. WWII Nazi Skorzeny trained the Fedayeen

Remember those dreaded opponents of US troops who sacrifice their lives for their cause. They were trained by ratline rider Otto Skorzeny, who got a ticket out of Nazi Germany for playing ball with Allen Dulles. Otto trained Arafat, Nasser and Sadat--what a combo eh!

One can easily argue that the CIA created modern day version of Hitler's "kulturcampf" and internationalized it.

Google: Fedayeen+Skorzeny

[Dancing_Dave]

59. Any time is a good time for a Bush/Nazi thread!

They want to conquer the planet (and in Rumsfeld wants to conquer Space too) They want to terminate our Contitutional rights with their so-called Patriot acts. 9/11 was their Reichstag Fire. They're just the kind of people who give Fascism a bad name!

[symbolman]

60. I can't believe all these great posts and not one

has linked my most downloaded flash of all - "Bush is not a Nazi, so stop saying that..."

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html

Give it a whirl and get out those dancing shoes :)

[Octafish]

62. Yours is a mighty power!

You wield true power, symbolman: The power of art and truth. And you use it to build a better world tomorrow. My infinite thanks to you.

[9215]

64. I've got that filed away

The title is great; it draws the Furher's faithful to the site.

[Sheila Samples]

115. All Riiight!

Outstanding! I took a look, and now I'm really dancing...

Thanks.

[bobthedrummer]

63. Kick and more about OPERATION PAPERCLIP

http://www.namebase.org/main3/Operation-Paperclip.html

http://www.goordnance.apg.army.mil/OPpaperclip.htm

http://infoage.org/paperclip.html

[bobthedrummer]

65. Goldteeth, Auschwitz and George Bush

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/bushies.htm

[Octafish]

66. G Gordon Liddy Worships NAZIs

The ex-FBI White House Plumber and Watergate Break-in Convict once bragged about the black-bag jobs he enjoyed doing for "Mr. Hoover," breaking into peoples' offices and homes, threatening and blackmailing lawmakers and judges. All for his conservative cause and Satanic overlords of the Reich. Liddy also bragged of enjoying an intellectual or kultural side, an example of which follows:

Nazi Liddy Wanted to Run ATF, Be Drug Czar

From Edward J. Epstein’s Agency of Fear

… In June, 1971, G. Gordon Liddy, a man possessed with a purpose, ascended to the inner circle of power at the White House. His attempt to take over the thousand-man Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms enforcement unit of the Treasury Department on behalf of the White House group had been successfully resisted by the Treasury Department earlier that year, and his immediate superior, Eugene Rossides, had moved to ease him out of that department entirely. But Liddy foresaw that the heroin issue could be the very instrument that the White House group needed to consolidate power within the bureaucracy, and thereby extend its police power. To demonstrate how a few determined men could manipulate the emotions of an entire nation by invoking a few highly visual symbols of fear, Liddy invited his new cohorts in the White House to a series of propaganda films being shown in the National Archives that June. The "Inner circle" that Liddy persuaded to view these films included John Ehrlichman, whose Domestic Council 'had assumed by now undisputed control over all domestic issues; Egil Krogh; Donald Santarelli, who was then slated to head the billion-dollar Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA), which disbursed money to local police departments; Robert Mardian, who headed the internal-security division of the Department of Justice; and a number of Krogh's young assistants on the Domestic Council. The cycle of films was climaxed on June 13 by the showing of Triumph of the Will, a Nazi propaganda film made under the auspices of Hitler and Goering which graphically depicted the way a "national will" could be inculcated into the masses through the agency of controlled fear and frenzied outrage.

Krogh later recalled that he had "considerable apprehension" about hiring Gordon Liddy to work for the White House on the drug program. Rossides had warned him that Liddy was both disloyal and potentially dangerous." Indeed, these were the reasons Rossides tendered for dismissing Liddy from the Treasury Department. Disloyalty to a bureaucracy might mean loyalty to the president, Krogh reasoned. Moreover, given Rossides's record of bureaucratic infighting, Krogh interpreted the potential danger of Liddy as simply his will to act decisively and cut through red tape. Krogh later came to the realization that Liddy had "simply a higher energy level than anyone else" and that therefore he could be extremely persuasive in moving others to action. And as Krogh gradually became persuaded that the drug issue was the best available lever for moving and reorganizing entrenched bureaucracies in the government, Liddy, with his ideas for mobilizing popular support on the drug issue, seemed an "Invaluable addition" to his staff on the Domestic Council.

Continued…

http://edwardjayepstein.com/agency/chap15.htm

[bobthedrummer]

67. Regardless of who speaks for this administration, the bs and lies

could only have come straight out of "Mein Kampf"-

"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, because the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad.

The primative simplicity of their minds renders them more easy victims of a big lie than a small one, because they often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell big ones.

Such a form of lying would never enter their heads. They never would credit others with the possibility of such great impudence as the complete reversal of facts.

Even explanations would long leave them in doubt and hesitation, and any trifling reason would dispose them to accept a thing as true.

Something therefore always remains and sticks from the most impudent of lies, which all bodies and individuals concerned in the art of lying in this world know all too well, and therefore they stop at nothing to achieve this end."
Adolph Hitler in "Mein Kampf".

[Octafish]

69. To Bushler and Turd Blossom, truer words were never spoken.

They love it when the good American people, most of whom have been raised to respect authority, are told a Big Lie by the second-most supreme authority of all — the government. Then the Bush Organized Crime Family pumps up the fear volume through their Reichstagfeurer and Poland invasion and pretty soon the people are running scared, too. Finally, they invoke the name of God and appoint themselves America's interpreters.

Will they succeed? No. They are bound to make the mistake where they believe they actually can succeed. They will be found out for the turds they are. May all the proceedings will be televised.

[bobthedrummer]

68. Saturday afternoon kick-

:dem:

[9215]

70. For those new to the subject

www.tarpley.net

Check out the "Unauthorized Biography"

I took a look at this website about 3 1/2 years ago. After checking the footnotes and finding them in order I started to learn what is really going on in this world. I found out about the "Economic Warfare Section" of the Treasury Dept. that FDR employed to denazify Germany and how the captains of industry, primarily Bush friend William Draper, sabotaged those efforts.

[bobthedrummer]

72. My last kick for this educational thread

I promise!
:dem:

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75. I dare say they waited 4 or 5 years too long to pull PNAC off

How it relates this article here relates to a lot of what is been covered on this thread and the other links to other articles pulls a lot of other things together. These racist secret tribal cohorts started many moons ago. Now sons and grandsons are invested into this, much like any organized crime organization. The only difference I can really see between them is the Nazi's and organized crime is they are people like the Gambinos had some semblance of Honor.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=377923&t=-1

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
(snip)
This is the extrordinary story of a dinner date. A dinner date that was scheduled to happen on march 31st 1981 - the day of the strange assassination attempt on the life of Ronald Reagan. Reagan was the president. And George Bush Sr, the very ambitious former CIA director from Texas was the Vice President.
What makes this dinner date so special that night was it’s two guests. Hold on to your seats because the following news item should send a chill up your spine. The dinner party was to be held at the home of Neil Bush, the vice president’s son. The guest at the dinner party (which was quickly cancelled after news of the failed attempt on the life of the President), was Scott Hinckley the brother of John Hinckley who just that afternoon fired several shots into Reagans chest, coming one half inch from putting his bullet into the heart of the President - a half inch from putting his friend’s father, George Bush, into the White House.

Now lets pause a moment and reflect on that. So far what we have is the son of the Vice President linked to the brother of the guy who just tried to kill the president. Take a moment to absorb that.
Go look it up on Google. Type in (neil bush scott hinckley dinner) See for yourself.
What was the Bush team’s response to this chilling revelation on the planned dinner date? They barricaded themselves behind a wall of the biggest PR Firms in the nation and issued the following statement “This horrible coincidence has been devastating to the Bush Family. Our condolences go out to all involved. And we hope to get the matter behind us as soon as possible.” (sic)
(snip)

[bobthedrummer]

91. Amazing, but true. My jaw kinda dropped on this one.

I'm getting back to some of the other posts now.

I concur with your remark on the timing of PNAC, nolabels. Great research!:hi:

[nolabels]

97. Still trying to figure out the banking deal with a few these fellas

I know with billions of dollars and so it's just about impossible not to be connected. I am not trying for that here really I found these two kind of strange because they point in different directions slightly, The clue on the burning up of that WTC #7 check this post from plaguepuppy on #31 at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=219680

(snip)
Is that a Ritz cracker or a slice of orange?

As to the "obvious explanation" of how the towers fell, you obviously haven't taken the time to read the FEMA of NIST documents. As one who has been there, has read the reports and has a very clear idea of the scale of events, I'd have to say that your belief in a comprehensive and tested explanation for how and why the buildings collapsed represents little more than blind faith.

Particularly when it comes to building 7 there is really no attempt to explain the path that led from the rather minor external damage to the southeast corner of the building to the elevator-like collapse of the building into its own footprint. The deisel fuel was stored mostly in underground tanks, and was pumped through double-wall metal tubing with leak sensors and automatic shutoffs, and only flowed when the emergency generators were actually running.

Somehow all this led to fires mostly on the 10-12th floors, home of the SEC and its Enron investigation files, seen in this picture of the northwest corner:
(snip)

Something strange indeed, only figuring at wit end that they all have enough dirt on each other to keep the "MAD" doctrine in place on domestic operations trying to check stories like this

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BinLaden.htm
The Nests of Osama bin Laden
~ o ~
( ... and some of the rich and famous birds who have flocked with him!)
Sightings from The Catbird Seat
(snip)
George W. Bush, however, worked wonders for Harken Energy Corp. before the stock collapse. Using the Bush family name, he managed to bring much-needed capital investment to the struggling firm. George W. Bush traveled to Little Rock, AR, to attend a meeting with Jackson Stephens - a powerful Arkansas tycoon who help bankroll the state campaigns of young Bill Clinton. He first gained political prominence as a fund-raiser for President Jimmy Carter. Stephens was also deeply involved in the BCCI scandal by helping the corrupt bank take control of First American Bank in Washington, DC.

Jack Stephens didn't need an introduction to young George W. Bush. Mary Anne Stephens, his wife, managed Vice President George Bush's 1988 presidential campaign in Arkansas. Stephens Inc., the well connected brokerage firm owned by Jack Stephens, donated $100,000 to a Bush campaign fundraising dinner in 1991. When George W. Bush won the contested Florida election in 2000, Jack Stephens made a substantial contribution to the Bush inauguration. Recently, former President Bush played golf on April 11, 2001, with Jack Stephens at the Jack Stephens Youth Golf Academy in Little Rock.

The former president told Stephens, "Jack, we love you and we are very, very grateful for what you have done."
Perhaps the former president was thanking him for the money Stephens provided young George W. Bush. Stephens arranged for a $25 million investment from the Union des Banques Suisses. The Swiss Bank held the minority interest in the Banque de Commerce et de Placements, a Geneva-based subsidiary of BCCI.

Both Stephens and Abdullah Taha Bakhsh, a wealthy and well-connected Saudi real estate investor, signed the financial transaction. The Geneva transaction was paid through a joint venture between the Union Bank of Switzerland and its Geneva branch of BCCI.
The BCCI connection, therefore, linked George W. Bush with Saudi banker Khaled bin Mahfouz. Known in Arab circles as the "king's treasurer," Mahfouz held a 20 percent take in BCCI between 1986 and 1990.
(snip)
and this

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/013000a.html
Laundry Wizard For George Bush Family Arrested
by Sherman H. Skolnick

The Reputed Cocaine Bank Money Laundry Wizard
For George Bush Family
Arrested In Chicago

By Sherman H. Skolnick
1-28-2000


The reputed cocaine bank money laundry wizard for former President George Herbert Walker Bush and two of his sons has been arrested in Chicago. The matter is tied as well reportedly to corrupt top IRS Officials, Chicago Region Office fingered by our work.

Giorgio Pelossi, a prominent Swiss accountant, was arrested January 20, 2000, at O'Hare International Airport, after officials of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, INS,found he was wanted on an international arrest warrant issued in Milan, Italy, about a year previous. Pelossi, 61, was somehow actually traveling under his own name. His name showed up on a passenger manifest in a routine check provided to officials of the INS.
(snip)
(snip)
Pelossi is reportedly the cocaine bank money laundry expert for the former president and two of his sons, Texas Governor George W. Bush and Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Some claim that the matter also reportedly implicates the other son, Neil Bush, who escaped federal prison through a reputedly corrupt arrangement upon the downfall of Denver-based Silverado Savings & Loan Association, an apparent CIA proprietary operation of which Neil Bush was an official. Some contend Silverado, at the hands of Neil Bush, was likewise a money laundry for illicit funds including reportedly narcotics trafficking. For a year or more now, journalists and commentators in Spain have been writing and talking about the Elder Bush and two of his sons, George W. and Jeb, being reportedly implicated in billions of dollars of dope money laundered through banks in Spain, Italy, Mexico, and the United States. The cocaine banking cartel, for which Pelossi reportedly was the kingpin and brains, was centered in Milan and Barcelona. According to stories, some date-lined Rome, in December, 1995, by Reuters, United Press International, and other news and law enforcement personnel, Italian authorities contended they had proof leading them to assert that the Archbishop of Barcelona was implicated with the Vatican Bank and others in a vast money laundry ring reportedly involving, among others:

<1> FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF CICERO (a Chicago suburb, Al Capone Land, a long-known mafia enclave). Later it became the flagship of PINNACLE BANC GROUP. Still later, to confuse matters, the bank was called Old Kent Bank, a unit whose head office is Grand Rapids, Michigan. Pinnacle was the successor and alter ego to the mysterious, scandal-wrecked, BANK OF CREDIT AND COMMERCE INTERNATIONAL, which supposedly (although not actually) went under in 1991. BCCI was a reputed assassination and espionage funding apparatus for various intelligence agencies, including the American CIA, the French CIA, and Israel's The Mossad (The Institute).
(snip)

[bobthedrummer]

98. Republican Iraq Support fits right in there

http://www.populist.com/02.17.burns.html

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103. How come everybody always gets killed on AIRPLANES ?

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/Investcorp.htm
INVESTIGATING =INVESTCORP
(snip)
Sami Murarak Baarma is an executive of SNCB Securities Limited in London, another bin Mahfouz financial subsidiary. For the NCB, he manages a financial network called Middle East Capital Group (MECG), based in Lebanon. One MECG's directors is Henry Sarkissian, who runs several companies in the Binladin Group. Sami Mubarak Baarma is also in charge of the Saudi National Commercial Bank's international division. As a result of his influence in Pakistan, he became a member of the Carlyle Group's advisory committee.

The Carlyle Group's leading investors include many figures from former U.S. president George H.W. Bush's entourage, as well as that of President George W. Bush. Its board of directors includes important figures from the Bush team: James A. Baker III, former secretary of state under the first President Bush; Frank C. Carlucci, former secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan; Richard G. Darman, former director of the Office of Management and Budget under George H.W. Bush between 1989 and 1993; and John Sununu, former White House chief of staff under George Bush.

In addition, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, nephew of King Fahd, owns an indeterminate stake in the group. Even George W. Bush was a member of the board of directors of one of the Carlyle Group's subsidiaries, Caterair, between 1990 and 1994.
In 1987 an obscure Saudi financier named Adbullah Taha Bakhsh invested in Harken, a Texas oil company of which George W. Bush was a director from 1986 to 1993.
The deal consisted of recapitalizing the company, which was going through difficult times. This Saudi investor is none other than the partner of Khalid bin Mahfouz and Ghaith Pharaon. And so Taha Bakhsh became an 11.5 percent shareholder in Harken Energy Corp.

His representatives within Harken Energy is not unknown either. Talat Othman, is a member alongside Frank Carlucci of one of America's most prestigious "think tanks," the Middle East Policy Council as well as being a leading Arab-American supporter of the Republican party. These investors know each other well. They've been sitting on the same boards for more than ten years, alongside Salem bin Laden, the brother of Osama bin Laden who died in a plane crash in Texas in 1988
(snip)

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137. You say where is the money? Well the BFEE are just bag men

As I a reply from figuring out where the money goes, it is easy to figure out what is going on here. This article is long but has a lot of answers. It also connects a lot of people together

http://www.investigate911.com/

http://www.investigate911.com/bushnazimoney.htm

How the Bush family made
its fortune from the Nazis
by Robert Lederman
(snip)
For the Bush family, it is a lingering nightmare. For their Nazi clients, the Dutch connection was the mother of all money laundering schemes. From 1945 until 1949, one of the lengthiest and, it now appears, most futile interrogations of a Nazi war crimes suspect began in the American Zone of Occupied Germany. Multibillionaire steel magnate Fritz Thyssen-the man whose steel combine was the cold heart of the Nazi war machine-talked and talked and talked to a joint US-UK interrogation team. For four long years, successive teams of inquisitors tried to break Thyssen's simple claim to possess neither foreign bank accounts nor interests in foreign corporations, no assets that might lead to the missing billions in assets of the Third Reich. The inquisitors failed utterly.

Why? Because what the wily Thyssen deposed was, in a sense, true. What the Allied investigators never understood was that they were not asking Thyssen the right question. Thyssen did not need any foreign bank accounts because his family secretly owned an entire chain of banks. He did not have to transfer his Nazi assets at the end of World War II, all he had to do was transfer the ownership documents - stocks, bonds, deeds and trusts--from his bank in Berlin through his bank in Holland to his American friends in New York City: Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker. Thyssen's partners in crime were the father and father-in-law of a future President of the United States.

The allied investigators underestimated Thyssen's reach, his connections, his motives, and his means. The web of financial entities Thyssen helped create in the 1920's remained a mystery for the rest of the twentieth century, an almost perfectly hidden underground sewer pipeline for moving dirty money, money that bankrolled the post-war fortunes not only of the Thyssen industrial empire...but the Bush family as well. It was a secret Fritz Thyssen would take to his grave.

It was a secret that would lead former US intelligence agent William Gowen, now pushing 80, to the very doorstep of the Dutch royal family. The Gowens are no strangers to controversy or nobility. His father was one of President Roosevelt's diplomatic emissaries to Pope Pius XII, leading a futile attempt to persuade the Vatican to denounce Hitler's treatment of Jews. It was his son, William Gowen, who served in Rome after World War II as a Nazi hunter and investigator with the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps. It was Agent Gowen who first discovered the secret Vatican Ratline for smuggling Nazis in 1949. It was also the same William Gowen who began to uncover the secret Dutch pipeline for smuggling Nazi money in 1999
(snip)

[Octafish]

76. 100 Bonus Links

This sight has a lot to chew on. And many to indict, prosecute, and imprison.

http://www.sunmt.org/bushnazi.html

From the home page:

Nazi, GOP, big business, Bush Knots

Click on URLs below to access any of sites

An update from
http://www.lifeboatnews.com
Paul Grignon http://www.paulgrignonart.com

100 Links to Bush connections —
The following are links to information about the Bush family, the Bush cabinet appointees and the corporations, think tanks and foundations that are behind the GW Bush administration. My including these links to materials other than the articles I wrote is not to be considered an endorsement of any statement they contain.

These links connect to sites run by the left, the religious right, conservative think tanks, political independents and the mainstream media. Some are pro-Bush and are included for cross reference value. All links were good as of this writing so if you get a message to the contrary keep trying. They are busy sites. When you cut and paste the web addresses or type them in there must be no added spaces or characters or else you will not be able to access the sites. Within each of these sites you can do a word search on Bush or any other word or name that interests you. These materials, which are only a tiny fraction of what’s out there, will help you to see through the blitzkrieg of false information we are all being subject to about GW Bush and his cabinet.

Please forward these links to your friends, the media, elected officials and anyone else with an interest in knowing the real story behind the 43rd President of the United States.


This list was compiled by Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T. (Artists’ Response To Illegal State Tactics) [email protected][phone]
Lederman articles on the Bush connection to Nazis, eugenics and drug companies. Also articles on West Nile Virus, Giuliani, the Manhattan Institute - more than 50 articles filled with references.

http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/


An exceptional article on the relationship between American conservatives, GW Bush, so-called compassionate conservatism, eugenics and the Nazis: Nazis In America by Myrna Estep Ph. D

http://www.feminista.com/v3n10/estep.html

Continued...

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77. Okay the 100 bonus points you can take off my marker as long as.......

I can paste this little tidbit on Richard "I'm not a Crook" Nixon the I found via that first link you posted


http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/ratline.html
Unholy Trinity
by Mark Aarons and John Loftus
(snip)
Sentences used from preface of the book (quote(s)):
(William) Casey was the American end of the Vatican Ratline, and learned how the game was played. In 1980, he became head of the CIA under Reagan.

Beyond doubt, Dulles's most important recruit was a young US Navy officer named Richard M. Nixon, who was plucked from the postwar obscurity of reviewing captured Nazi records to run for Congress, ... ...

(In 1953) as (Eisenhower's) Vice President, Nixon warmly endorsed the "Freedom Fighters" concept, and personally received prominent Fascist fugitives in the White House as potential "liberators" of the captive nations behind the Iron Curtain... ...

The secret techniques used to launder money, guns, and smuggle Nazi "Freedom Fighters" in the 1940s and 1950s were adopted by Reagan/Bush Administration as the covert methodology to avoid Congressional review in the 1980s. In this history of the Cold War, American readers may recognize not only the blueprint for the Iran-Contra scandal, but also the names of many of its architects...
(snip)

[Octafish]

78. Got it and so marked, nolabels. C'mon DU! The Thread is Young!

The Evil is Old.

Nice find, NL! Amazing what we can learn by reading.

Nazi, GOP, big business, Bush Knots

Another sampler:

“A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there.”

— William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.

See: Shadow of the Swastika

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html

http://users.actweb.net/~eye/propaganda/articles/arms_industry_world_war_2.htm

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79. Your correct, it is still young; a little background on ALLEN DULLES

I tell you, that old country and western tune, that sings the praises of it being a "family tradition" never seemed more fitting

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html
(snip)
ALLEN DULLES: ARCHITECT OF THE US-NAZI NETWORK

Contemporary history records Allen Dulles as one of America's top spymasters, from his early days in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) in World War II, to his position as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in the 1950s and early 1960s (until President John F. Kennedy fired him over the Bay of Pigs disaster in 1961), and finally to his membership on the controversial Warren Commission, which investigated President Kennedy's assassination. Until recently, his pivotal role in promoting a U.S. corporate relationship with the Nazis was little known. Loftus and Aarons describe the post-World War I role of Allen, and his brother, John Foster, in the following terms:

"We first turn to Dulles's creation of international finance networks for the benefit of the Nazis. In the beginning, moving money into the Third Reich was quite legal. Lawyers saw to that. And Allen and his brother John Foster were not just any lawyers. They were international finance specialists for the powerful Wall Street law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell. . . .

"The Dulles brothers were the ones who convinced American businessmen to avoid U.S. government regulation by investing in Germany. It began with the Versailles Treaty, in which they played no small role. After World War I the defeated German government promised to pay war reparations to the Allies in gold, but Germany had no gold. It had to borrow the gold from Sullivan & Cromwell's clients in the United States. Nearly 70 percent of the money that flowed into Germany during the 1930s came from investors in the United States, many of them Sullivan & Cromwell clients. . .

"Foster Dulles, as a member of the board of I.G. Farben, seems to have had little difficulty in getting along with whoever was in charge. Some of our sources insist that both Dulles brothers made substantial but indirect contributions to the Nazi party as the price of continued influence inside the new German order. . . ."
(snip)

[Octafish]

80. Lots O' Dulles-Bush-NAZI links — absolutely FREE!

Nice summary of the evil that men did and still do. Here're a few links on this aspect of the subject, which demonstrates how far the apple falls from the tree, er, turd:

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue43/issue43_top.htm

And from that, we get a reference to a 1992 article from "Covert Action Information Bulletin"

"Jeb" John Ellis Bush

Second son of George  H.W.Bush
 
Jeb Bush was a White House liaison to Miami Contras and right-wing anti-Castro Cuban-Americans. In the mid-1980s, he took contributions to the Miami Republican Party from Leonel Martinez who was arrested in 1989 and later convicted of bringing 300 kilos of cocaine into the U.S.

      Jeb was also connected to the drug money laundering scandal of the CIA-linked, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, in 1986-1987.

      In the mid-1980s, Jeb worked for businessman, Miguel Recarey, Jr.   whose mafia links went back 20 years.  During the 1980s, Recarey is thought to have embezzled $100 million from Medicare through his Miami-based company, International Medical Centers, which also treated wounded Contras at its Florida hospital.

      When the Bush administration bailed out Broward Federal S & L in 1988, for $285 million in bad loans, Jeb and partner Armando Cordina (leader of the right-wing Cuban American Foundation) didn't have to repay their $4.1 million loan.

      Jeb successfully lobbied Dad in 1990 for the release from jail of Orlando Bosch, who fired a bazooka at Polish freighter in the Miami harbour in 1968 and master-minded the explosion of a Cuban airliner killing 73 people over Barbados in 1976.

Source: Covert Action, Summer 1992.

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue43/articles/mone_laundering_for_contras.htm#jeb


Ask me about my Poppy's friends
from the Bay of Pigs Thing."

http://www.rprogreso.com/RPWeekly062702/usfranklinTerroristConnection062702.htm

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81. And check this out, ever wonder about Senator Joseph McCarthy

This is just so much S.O.P, let your fall take the hit, while you get the red herring out and bait everything to get the dogs barking up the wrong trees.

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html
RICHARD MILHOUSE NIXON
(snip)
According to the "old spies," Allen Dulles made a deal with the young navy officer who was reviewing the Konti files - Richard Nixon. Nixon would help Dulles bury the Konti files. In return, Allen Dulles "arranged to finance first congressional campaign against Jerry Voorhis." (1)

Dulles's support for Nixon paid off in 1947 when, as the freshman congressman from California, he "saved John Foster Dulles considerable embarrassment by privately pointing out that confidential government files showed that one of Foster's foundation employees, Alger Hiss, was allegedly a Communist. The Dulles brothers took Nixon under their wing and escorted him on a tour of Fascist 'freedom fighter' operations in Germany, apparently in anticipation that the young congressman would be useful after Dewey became president." (2)

After Truman's victory, write the authors, "Nixon became Allen Dulles's mouthpiece in Congress. Both he and Senator Joseph McCarthy received volumes of classified information to support the charge that the Truman administration was filled with 'pinkos.' When McCarthy went too far in his Communist investigations, it was Nixon who worked with his next-door neighbor, CIA director Bedell Smith, to steer the investigations away from the intelligence community.

"The CIA was grateful for Nixon's assistance, but did not know the reason for it. Dulles had been recruiting Nazis under the cover of the State Department's Office of Policy Coordination, whose chief, Frank Wisner, had systematically recruited the Eastern European emigre networks that had worked first for the SS, then the British, and finally Dulles.
(snip)

[Octafish]

82. You're talking BFEE.

Bush Family Evil Empire, A/K/A the Bush Organized Crime Family, where the NAZIs-CIA-Mafia and the world's Right Wing Anti-Communists come together to exploit the world's treasures and enslave the world's people — those who'm they decide not to exterminate. That's why I get passionate — the Fascists are still working their evil. It's up to us on DU and throughout the remaining free world to get the word out about them, as the late Mae Brussell did in the following diagram, created in the days before NAMEBASE. The second link details Ms. Brussell's various connections.



http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbspiderweb2,21,83.htm

BTW: It's also why I'm so pro-Kerry. He's gone after these bed-wetting bastids and he'll kick 'em straight into the federal prison on Lompoc or a defurbished Alcatraz.

[bobthedrummer]

96. Today mAnn Coulter

wants to idolize Tailgunner Joe:puke:

[9215]

86. Baron DeMohren...'s wife worked with Zapruder

http://www.ciajfk.com/stan.html
Mrs. De M worked with Abe Zapruder and Olga Fehmer at clothing operation Nardis of Dallas in 1953. Olga's daughter became senior officer at CIA. Abe's son was lawyer for Department of Justice on November 22, 1963. Zapruder and de M belonged to same CIA organization Dallas Council on World Affairs founded by George H.W. Bush's mentor, Neil Mallon.

[seemslikeadream]

88. R Doug Lewis

would anyone have come across this name? One curious fact is that a Dallas police officer R D Lewis gave the lie detector to Jack Ruby. Maybe that's his dad.

I'd love to see him connected to these guys.

[Octafish]

120. Bev HARRIS: Did you ever come up with the 'R' in R Doug Lewis?

I remember the all-out group effort to track the nation's big voting pro-GOP and/or pro-DEM expert down. The name could be a most interesting link in all this, um, nefariousness .

Great find, seemslikeadream! Did you find the Dallas police officer's name through NAMEBASE? It really made the needle on my internal truth detector jump.

[seemslikeadream]

123. It is in an offical JFK assassination document

I found it from DU. Someone posted it a couple of months ago on an early very long thread about source code in the electronic voting machines. I saw the original poly form with the signature of Lewis. I'm going back to search for it today. Thanks for the recognition. I've felt pretty lonely out here on this one.

The R is Robert I believe.

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128. I found one of the polygraph tests done by Lewis

It's just odd that he signed his name R D Lewis
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm

This is a poly of Litchfield I thought I saw one of Ruby but could be mistaken. Anyway it is Detective of Police Identification Bureau R D Lewis. Great name search there also! http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us

It is in box 5 folder 07 Item 31 way at the bottom

[Aries]

90. Nazis, the Occult, and the CIA

Somehow this thread seems to be missing the element of the Occult...those concerns may seem like a sidebar to this story, but I suspect that for those that were, and perhaps are, involved in the various manifestations of Nazism in the past and present, it is more central to their interests.

Here's an excerpt from an interview with the author of Unholy Alliance: A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult, whose most recent edition has a foreword by Norman Mailer:

...What aspects of mind control do you think the CIA and others have copied from the Nazis?

PL: I don't think that Hess was implying the Nazis had mind control, but that the Allies had it. The man who interviewed Hess for Dulles was Dr Ewen Cameron, who went on to run the official CIA mind control operation in Montreal. The Nazis were experimenting with hallucinogens and narcotics during the war; their documentation on this was seized by American intelligence and has never seen the light of day. That much is known. The idea that CIA was running a vast mind control experiment in the 1940s-1970s which involved all sorts of people and organizations forms the central thesis of my next book (which has not been finished yet), so I don't want to ruin the surprise. Suffice it to say that when the Nazis were being imported by the hundreds to the US and other American countries after the War, it wasn't only an "outer" space program that was being contemplated....

[bobthedrummer]

93. Voodoo economics, that's the ticket!

Werner Herzog's "The InVincible" came out as a FineLine flick last year and shows the occultic connection to the Third Reich as well as the websites in this thread.

Aries, I agree that this is a often neglected aspect of BFEE. But it is now opened up by your post so have at it! It is all about voodoo economics and blood sacrifice with this crew-they are all in bed together, perhaps with the secret society connections.:argh:
:hi:

[Aries]

94. The real "black market"

in the closet of this degenerate dynasty involves the stories of pedophilia among their close associates. And this activity has also been associated with trauma-based mind control as practiced by the Black Ops folks in our intelligence agencies...

Here's part of the story (and check out The Franklin Cover-up, for a real scary tale):

From:
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

"...There have been other reports suggestive of a connection between child abuse and top officials. On June 29, 1989, the Washington Times, shook the Bush White House to its very roots with the front page headline "Call Boys Took Midnight Tour of White House.'' The paper reported, ``A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and U.S. and foreign businessmen with close ties to Washington's political elite.''

At the center of the scandal was Craig Spence, a Republican powerbroker known for his lavish ``power cocktail'' parties. Among the rumors circulating was a rumor indicating that over 200 of Washington’s elite had used the call boy service. Spence’s entire mansion was covered with two way mirrors, hidden microphones and cameras. The White House including President Bush refused to answer questions or discuss the incident. At the same time, another story implicating the President in child abuse was breaking in the heart of the country. The story centered on the failure of the Franklin Community Credit Union in Omaha...."

(snip)

"...It was only with the failure of Franklin Credit Union that the whole story surrounding Larry King came out due to one man’s dogged determination. John DeCamp, a former senator from the Nebraska unicameral legislator pursued the case relentlessly in the legislator. In fact, DeCamp was sternly warned by his friend, the former CIA director William Colby to give up the case before he met with a death. Shortly after warning DeCamp, Colby was found dead. Although Colby’s death was attributed to accidental drowning it was more likely he was murdered. Instead of giving up his investigation and determination to uncover the truth about King’s pedophile ring DeCamp chose the only remaining option with the blessing of Colby. He wrote a book about the case: The Franklin Cover Up. Once published, DeCamp’s death would only call more attention to the Franklin case..."

(snip)

"...Why did such a case in the center of America’s heartland prompt such a high level source as the former CIA director to warn his friend? Moreover, why was there so many mysterious deaths connected with the case? While the case made the headlines in regional papers, it never attracted the attention of the national media. Most people have never heard of Larry King. The answer to the questions lies in King’s connection to the top power center of the Republican Party and the Bush administration. Both Bush’s attorney general and secretary of treasure had to be aware that the FBI was involved in a massive cover up in Omaha. Even the flight logs of King’s airplane had disappeared entangling the FAA in the cover up...."

[bobthedrummer]

95. Col. Aquino again too

what a sad sad commentary on our military history he is.:puke:

[bobthedrummer]

92. On April 2nd, 2001 a private aircraft crashed into the Morning Glory diary

in Ashwaubenon, WI. a suburb of Green Bay. It was a fatal crash for the pilot, some other folks were seriously injured. The plane crashed shortly after take-off from nearby Austin Straubel International Airport, the fire raged for a long time.

I wonder if there is any linkage to this crash of 4-2-2001 and another former Green Bay resident Wallace J. Hilliard, who ran the flight school in Naples,FL. that Atta {and the others alleged responsible for 9-11} attended.

One thing is for sure about Wally Hilliard and his family, they are huge PNAC supporters, along with the Bradley's of Milwaukee.

Another thing about Wally, he seems to be some kind of a spook.
http://www.madcowprod.com/

Wally certainly has been a sucessful business owner, he took over direction of American Medical Security/AMS and expanded it into 32 states with over $1bn in premiums.

Wally then invested into private/commercial airlines like VisionAire, DiscoverAir{43 pounds of heroin were found on one of their aircraft folks}, and the flight shool in Naples owned by Huffman Aviation.

Wally knows Rudi Dekkers and Arne Kruithof BTW. The Dutch-American community has a lot of political clout in Brown County, WI. too.

I tend to disbelieve in coincidence when it comes to BFEE.

I have attempted to find out more about the fatal plane crash into Morning Glory's plant on 4-2-2001 by contacting Austin Straubel but was given the number of Chicago FAA Public Affairs {847} 294-7427 by them.

Some of the things I'd like to know about this tragic crash are the flight plan, the type of aircraft, the registry of the aircraft and the identity of the dead pilot, among other things. If anyone could help {as this exceeds my resources} it would be much appreciated.

What a thread this is turning out to be!

[bobthedrummer]

99. Perhaps the most prominent nazis were in NASA

after all it was the imported nazi Peenemunde terrorist rocket team of von Braun that killed thousands of innocent men, women and children in London, Manchester and Glasgow before getting US to the moon.

As Aries has noted there is a strong occultic bond in fascism. The late Jack Parsons was part of that {Parsons was an American that pioneered rocketry, his work became JPL}.

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/jack_parsons.htm

[Aries]

100. Jack Parsons: "Sex & Rockets" and L. Ron Hubbard, too!

The Jack Parsons story would make a very interesting movie...

SEX & ROCKETS - The Occult World of Jack Parsons

"...Every year on its Open Day the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California enacts a birth rite. Mannequins and dummy rockets are posed behind the Visitor Centre, their postures replicating a photo of JPL's "Nativity Scene" - a pioneering test of a liquid-fuel rocket motor on the Halloween of 1936, inspired and directed by Jack Parsons.

Parsons' role as an innovator in rocket science has been compared to Werner Von Braun or Robert Goddard, but despite his place in the mythology of JPL ("Jack Parsons Lives") - and the crater on the dark side of the Moon that bears his name - he has not been canonised in popular science mythology as an all-American astro-hero.

For Parsons' own rituals, as Head of Agape Lodge, the American branch of Aleister Crowley's Order of Oriental Templars, were richer and stranger. Indeed, at the height of his sex-magickal activity, the Babalon Working of 1946, Parsons hoped to bring about a conception on the aethyric plane that would result in the Nativity of a Goddess. His relationships with L.Ron Hubbard and the artist Marjorie Cameron and, above all, the mysterious circumstances of his death in a laboratory explosion in 1952 have been the focus for speculation for years, in occult circles and beyond...."

also, there's this, related to the esoteric design of the Pentagon itself:

http://mindcontrolforums.com/mindnet/mn116a.htm

"...The CIA and Pentagon have quietly organized and
influenced a long line of mind control cults, among them:
The Riverside Lodge of the Ordo Templis Orientis: Also
known as The Solar Lodge of the OTO, which followed the teachings
of cult messiah Aleister Crowley, whose fixed gaze on the astral
equinox resulted in instructions from his deities to form a
religious order. Crowley, high priest of the OTO and a British
intelligence agent, gave Winifred T. Smith a charter to open an
OTO lodge in Pasadena. The high priest of the lodge was Jack
Parsons, a rocket expert and founder of the California Institute
of Technology. Parsons, who took the oath of the anti-Christ in
1949, contributed to the design of the Pentagon under subsequent
CIA director John J. McCloy. He was killed in a still unexplained
laboratory explosion. There is a crater on the moon named after
him...."

[Octafish]

101. Counterpunch: How Operation Paperclip is still relevant

Operation Paperclip Revisited

Moral Schmoral

By RICHARD THIEME

One way a government mobilizes support for morally dubious actions is to make those actions sound like the right thing to do. Decisions made for other reasons entirely, for reasons of strategy, say, or economic advantage, are cloaked in religious rhetoric, and when our leaders claim the moral high ground, we the people want to believe them.

Recent caricatures show how Moslem terrorists like Isama bin Laden and Christian crusaders like George W. Bush use nearly identical rhetoric to justify their actions. Both abuse their religious traditions to manipulate believers in those traditions.

Those who worry about such things are often pained because the desire to believe and follow our leaders is twisted, that desire being contradicted by obvious discrepancies in what our leaders are doing rather than saying.

This gets a person with a strong conscience into a real pickle. The simple fact is, any person willing to act on the convictions of a strong conscience is as much an enemy of the state as an avowed terrorist because they will not accept the designer lies of the state as the motivation for its morally dubious actions.

Perhaps this is illustrated best with a historical example. Let's use Operation Paperclip.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/thieme08222003.html

[bobthedrummer]

102. See posts 23 and 63 for more on OPERATION PAPERCLIP

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[nolabels]

104. Funny you should bring that up, I wondered about Italy..........

When I watching some deal on the history channel about ogranized crime, something felt like it was missing. Then I saw this and it kind of filled in some cracks. Check it out, see any modus operandi

http://www.realityexpander.com/articles/shag/utilityofterrorism.html
(snip)
U.S.-Sponsored Terrorism: A Deadly Double Standard

The United States has a long history of sponsoring terrorist organizations that serve its political, economic, and long-term global governance agenda. Terrorists, like senators and media pundits, are nothing more than tools used to accomplish the goals of whoever is pulling their strings (specifically the financiers, organizers, and founders of the organizations). One excellent example of this kind of control is the secret paramilitary organization known as Il Gladio, which as the Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti told the Italian Parliament in 1990 was set up in 1956 and run by the CIA to "take precautions against Communist aggression." Journalists later found out that Gladio’s strategy was to "make the use of right-wing mercenaries and Mafia hit-men to carry out attacks that were then blamed upon the left .4
It was also during this time that the CIA heavily recruited former Nazi intelligence agents and high-ranking officials into their post war ranks. Nazis such as Reinhard Gehlen, Klaus Barbie "The Butcher of Lyon", Joseph Mengele "The Angel of Death", and Otto Skorzeny were all smuggled out of Germany along with thousands more under the direction of the CIA and Odessa known as "Project Paperclip". Lobbied by the Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group (IWG), the National Archives and Records Administration only as recently as April 27th, 2001 opened up the CIA "Name Files" related to Nazis with close ties to the CIA.5 In a BBC expose aired in 1995 in New Zealand, Il Gladio were shown to have close ties with former Nazi intelligence personnel including Licio Gelli "The Puppet Master" and head of the infamous Vatican-Mafia Masonic Lodge, P2. Gelli was responsible for smuggling Nazis out of Europe through the "rat line" mainly to Central and South America where he charged an average of 40% of the fleeing Nazis’ wealth for his service. According to David Icke in his book …and the truth shall set you free, Gelli fled to Argentina where he made "many political friends there, including the dictator Juan Peron (for whom he became an economic advisor), and Jose Lopez Rega, the man behind the Triple A death squads responsible for thousands of murders." He was also highly regarded within the hierarchy of US politics where he was invited to the inaugurations of presidents Carter, Ford, and Reagan. He even went so far as calling "himself a friend of George Bush." Ben Vidgen in his article "A State of Terror" states that, "South America’s legacy as home to some of the worst cases of state-induced terrorism owes much thanks to the CIA’s involvement with P2." In Europe, former Gladio agents attribute the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing and the 1974 and 1980 Bolognan bombings to the P2, which killed 113 people and injured over 185.
General Gianadello Maletti, former head of Italy’s military counter-intelligence organization from 1971-1975, accused the CIA of "instigating and abetting right-wing terrorism" in the early 1970s at the trial of terrorists accused of setting off a bomb at a bank in Milan’s Piazza Fontana in 1969 killing 16 people in the process. During his testimony, he claimed, "his men had discovered a terrorist cell in the Venice region that had acquired explosives from Germany" and that "there was evidence that the German end of the chain had been liaising with US intelligence officials from the CIA." Apparently the CIA, following the directives of the Nixon administration, wanted to "create an Italian nationalism capable of halting what it saw as a slide to the left." Maletti went on to say, "I believe this is what happened in other countries as well." This is considered to be a reference to the CIA’s activity in Central America, Vietnam, and Chile with the US-sponsored coup that toppled the elected left-wing communist Allende government for the right-wing fascism of Pinochet now extensively detailed in recently declassified files. It was like replacing Castro for Mussolini.
The P2 organization was dealt a whopping blow in 1980 when Italian police discovered a P2 membership-roll document bearing 962 names. This list bore the names of over 50 generals and admirals, two cabinet members, 36-plus policemen, journalists, pundits, and pop stars. Despite its devastation to the Italian Government and its near destruction of NATO, its power is still quite strong. Signorina Tina Anselmi, chairman of the parliamentary commission into P2 (currently suspended), states in David Yallop’s book, In God’s Name, that "P2 is by no means dead. It still has power. It is working in the institutions. It is moving in society. It has money, means and instruments still at its disposal. It still has fully operative power centers in South America. It is also able to condition, at least in part, Italian political life."
Besides the obvious US-proxy terror campaigns waged by the CIA-sponsored paramilitary Contras in Central America, two major terrorist attacks occurred in 1985 when media attention for terrorism was at a peak. The first was the blowing up of an Air India flight, killing 329 people. Noam Chomsky in his book Necessary Illusions states that the "terrorists had been instructed in their craft in a paramilitary camp in Alabama run by Frank Camper, where mercenaries were trained for terrorists acts in Central America and elsewhere. According to ex-mercenaries, Camper had close ties to US intelligence and was personally involved in the Air India bombing, allegedly a ‘sting’ operation that got out of control." What makes this particular story even more damning is that former Attorney-General Edwin Meese, while on a visit to India, reportedly "conceded in a backhanded way that the terrorist operations originated in a US terrorist training camp, in statements that were barely reported in the press."
The second crucial terrorist attack of 1985 occurred in the official "hotbed" of terrorism, the Middle East. A car bomb exploded in Beirut that killed 80 people and wounded 200. The target was "Shi’ite leader Sheikh Fadlallah, accused of complicity in terrorism, but he escaped. The attack was arranged by the CIA and its Saudi clients with the assistance of Lebanese intelligence and a British specialist, and specifically authorized by CIA director William Casey, according to Bob Woodward’s account in his book on Casey and the CIA."
(snip)

[Octafish]

105. Same scheiß, different anschluß.

P-2 + Gladio = Heil, Bushler!

EXCERPT…

Europe's "Stay Behind" Units

Italy was not alone in having covert "stay behind" units in operation. The operation encompassed all of western Europe. In France the unit was called "Glaive" - again named after a Gladiatorial sword. Austria's unit was named "Schwert," also meaning sword. In Turkey the unit was named "Red Sheepskin" and in Greece "Sheepskin." Sweden's unit was called "Sveaborg." In Switzerland it went by the title P26. Other units in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Norway, Luxembourg, Denmark and Holland remain unnamed. Not least, the United Kingdom's unit was simply known as "Stay Behind."

EXCERPT…

World War Two had barely ground to a final halt when, in 1947, Allied strategists set about planning for World War Three. Even as British and US intelligence officials scoured Europe seeking to apprehend Nazi's wanted on war crimes charges, other more secretive US and British intelligence units were actively engaged in helping those same Nazi's to escape.

The means of escape were the Vatican run "Ratlines." Operated with the knowledge and blessing of highly placed US and British government officials, the Ratlines guided 30,000 wanted Nazi's to sanctuary. Safe haven locations included the US, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the favourite bolt hole of them all: South America.

Those who reached safety in this manner read like a "Who's Who" of the most wanted Nazi war criminals. Klaus Barbie, the cruel Gestapo officer known as the "Butcher of Lyons;" Franz Stangl, Commandant of the notorious Treblinka extermination camp; Gustav Wagner Commandant of Sorbibor extermination camp; Alois Brunner, a brutal official in the Jewish deportation programme. Of the most famous to escape along the ratlines were Adolf Eichmann, the chief architect of the "Holoucast" and Dr Joseph Mengele, the "White Angel" of Auschwitz concentration camp. Not least was Deputy Fuhrer Martin Bormann. Incredibly, an entire Waffen SS division - the notorious "Galician Division" - consisting of 8000 men were smuggled to England and given "free settler" status.

SNIP…

http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html

[nolabels]

106. Thanks for the names, the story about the mob bombing get blown out

When I watch that thing on history channel they were implications that somehow is was some Mob gangs of Sicily were behind it, but I suspect a lot about that now that I read into this.

http://www.mycv.thejohnfleming.com/gladio.html
(snip)
"Italians have ]earned that General Giovanni de Lorenzo, as secret services
chief, compiled dossiers, including tapes and photographs, on some 150,000
people...De Lorenzo received parliamentary immunity as an MSI (neo-fascist)
MP." (William Scobie, Observer, 18/11/90)

"By 1964, the plot had thickened. Mr de Lorenzo compiled files on more
than 150,000 people, including politicians, priests and unionists. He drew
up a plan for the carabinieri, Italy's paramilitary police, to arrest many
politicians, take over radio and television networks, and seize the offices
and newspapers ()f left-wing parties. After "Operation Solo" was leaked,
a parliamentary inquiry ruled in 1970 that Mr de Lorenzo had violated the
constitution. But he was not preparing his own coup d'tat. He was
organising a duplicate of operation Gladio to be activated if the left
gained too much power." (Wofgang Achtner, Sunday Independent, 11/11/90)

1966-1968 President Cossigas role

"President Francesco Cossiga...had some responsibility for administering
Gladio as a junior defence minister from 1966-68."
(John Wyles, Financial Times, 14/12/90)

Late 1960s CIA concern over Gladio

"By the late 1960's the CIA felt Gladio was expensive and out of control,
but decided not to close it down because it fostered useful contacts with
the Italian security establishment." (Edward Lucas, Independent, 16/11/90)

1969-1984 Fascist bomb attacks

"The Prime Minister, Giulio Andreotti, sharply denied that there was any
link between the group, codenamed Gladio...and a wave of unsolved bombings
between 1969 and 1984 in which 143 people were killed...The Communist Party
alleged that members of Gladio may have taken part in acts of terrorism
nero, or neo-fascist bombings such as that in the waiting room at Bologna
Station in August 1980, which killed 85 people in Italy's communist
heartland. Four neo-fascists were jailed for life for the crime, and the
grand master of the illegal P2 Masonic Lodge, Licio Gelli, was sentenced
to 7 years for his involvement in the case. But last July the appeals
court overturned the ruling for reasons never clearly explained, causing
a national outcry." (Fiona Leney & Wolfgang Achtner, Independent, 10/11/90)
(snip)

[Octafish]

109. Mafia helped Uncle Sam fight NAZIs...

... starting on the docks of the Port of New York. For a while, the Allies were losing dozens of ships every couple of days just as soon as they started out into the North Atlantic. It turns out the NAZIs had a great spy network and passed the embarcation times along to the wolf packs.

Well, after the US government agreed to give Lucky Lucciano a get-out-of-jail free card, in exchange the Mafia tightened down on the people who worked the docks. Straight away, the numbers of lost merchant ships went way down. Of course, the Mafia and Uncle Sam stayed in business from that time on... Ever hear of the Bay of Pigs Thing?


A Tangled Web: A History of CIA Complicity in Drug International Trafficking:

WORLD WAR II


 The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) and the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), the CIA's parent and sister organizations, cultivate relations with the leaders of the Italian Mafia, recruiting heavily from the New York and Chicago underworlds, whose members, including Charles 'Lucky' Luciano, Meyer Lansky, Joe Adonis, and Frank Costello, help the agencies keep in touch with Sicilian Mafia leaders exiled by Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. Domestically, the aim is to prevent sabotage on East Coast ports, while in Italy the goal is to gain intelligence on Sicily prior to the allied invasions and to suppress the burgeoning Italian Communist Party. Imprisoned in New York, Luciano earns a pardon for his wartime service and is deported to Italy, where he proceeds to build his heroin empire, first by diverting supplies from the legal market, before developing connections in Lebanon and Turkey that supply morphine base to labs in Sicily. The OSS and ONI also work closely with Chinese gangsters who control vast supplies of opium, morphine and heroin, helping to establish the third pillar of the post-world War II heroin trade in the Golden Triangle, the border region of Thailand, Burma, Laos and China's Yunnan Province.

http://ciadrugs.homestead.com/files/congress-cia-drug-history-doc.html

[9215]

112. A pact with the devil

for sure.

Another way the Germans knew when ships were leaving the ports is that many of the insurance company records were in Germany with sailing schedules readily available to the Nazis.

[Octafish]

113. Guess who helped keep the Hamburg-Amerika Line afloat?

Did you say: "Prescott?" It wouldn't surprise me if he also "accidently" let the Kriegsmarin see the open ledgers in the Duetschland office.

Of course, the term "Traitor" would be "technically factual" to describe these thugs until after November 22, 1963 when New Amerika was incorporated by the Bush Organized Crime Family.


THE BUSH NAZI CONNECTION

by Richard N. Draheim, Jr.

EXCERPT...

Republican Presidential candidate Bush's great-grandfather, Bert Walker, helped organize the Harriman investment in the Hamburg-America Line of ships, of which grandfather Prescott became a director. It was seized on August 28, 1942 because it was used to give free passage to Nazi propaganda and propagandists, and had earlier shipped guns to the Nazi's private armies to assist their takeover of Germany.

Further examples would be more tedious than shocking. But, given these evil financial dealings, how did Prescott later become a Republican Senator, and George H.W. become President? Well,the two leading attorneys for these Bush-Harriman-Nazi deals were John Foster Dulles, later Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and Allen Dulles, future head of the CIA.

Prescott's father, Samuel P. Bush, owned Buckeye Steel Castings Co. which made parts for the Harriman brothers' father's (E.H. Harriman) railroads. Harriman's financing for the railroads came largely from William Rockefeller. These shipped the oil of his brother John D. Rockefeller, the founder of Standard Oil. (This was the origin of the two Georges' involvement in the oil business.)

Samuel Bush became a leader in President Woodrow Wilson's "War Socialism" as director of small armaments and ammunition on the War Industries Board (which set up coercive price-fixing cartels over American industry during World War I). There, Bush assisted Percy Rockefeller (son of William) in his takeover of small arms manufacturers.

CONTINUED...

http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm

[9215]

117. Treasury agent James Martin

author of "All Honorable Men" discovered that the sailing schedules were a part of insurance information kept in Eindhoven (sp) before US entry into the war. The link to Hamburg-Amerika line, is not mentioned by Martin that I am aware of, but seems likely.


The guns shipped to Post WWI Germany, in, I believe, direct violation of the League of Nations proscriptions were largely from Remington. Samuel Bush our pResident's great-grandfather was on the board of Remington arms during WWII and also on the Small arms and Munitions Board of the US Government referred to as the "Merchants of Death" board at the time. Remington also was the prime supplier of arms for the failed FDR coup by the Dupont's that planned on arming thousands of "patriots" to seize control of the government after the coup.

[Liberator_Rev]

107. Have Catholics helped conceal the Nazi aftermath of WW II?

What has the role of the Catholic Church been since the end of WW II?

What has the Vatican and/or Popes done to help the Nazis vs. the Nazi hunters?

If the Vatican has a lot to hide, have Catholic laymen been inclined to help or hinder the search for the truth?

My own research on the war period itself, and the years leading up to it, are reported in http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/RCscandal .

[bobthedrummer]

108. The Vatican has opened some secret files about PiusXII

before he was Pope, that's about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/15/international/europe/15VATI.html

[seemslikeadream]

111. If the fascist's party slowly climbing back

It's not here yet so what's it got to do with you?

So close your eyes, stop your ears
Close your mouth and take it slow
Let others take the lead and you bring up the rear
And later you can say you didn't know

[bobthedrummer]

119. RMA, neocons, and Nazis

like Rumsfeld.
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/rma.html

[uhhuh]

122. Too much info to digest all at once

I love it!! I am bookmarking this thread, and I hope everybody sees it and checks out the links. Much of this stuff I knew about, but I am amazed at how much I missed. I hope everybody sees this thread!!

On Edit: I just thought I'd point out that there has been not one post refuting any of this stuff. I always find it funny when Freeps and disruptors realize they are so beat that they don't even try to argue against the truth. This is so great!!

[bobthedrummer]

124. My purpose was educational when starting this thread

it will be around for a while!:hi:

[Aries]

125. If we had a real news media...

this kind of information would be on the front page and lead the evening news!

Thanks, Bob, for keeping it out there for those with with open minds...

and another link for those interested, hope it doesn't duplicate anything else in this thread:

The Bank for International Settlements

The BIS is the most obscure arm of the Bretton-Woods International Financial architecture but its role is central. John Maynard Keynes wanted it closed down as it was used to launder money for the Nazis in World War II. Run by an inner elite representing the world's major central banks it controls most of the transferable money in the world. It uses that money to draw national governments into debt for the IMF.

Links on this site:

05Aug03 - Rich Jannsen - Bank watching in Basel
The BIS - Ruling the World of Money - Edward Jay Epstein
Carrol Quigley quote - the bankers' plan
The Network - Alfred Mendez
Global Financial Institutions - Mark Evans
Board of Directors - July 2001
1983 - Trading With The Enemy - A Bank for All Reasons
Unraveling the Basel Capital Accord
Antony Sutton - B.I.S. — The Apex of Control

Always follow the money... ;)

[bobthedrummer]

126. BIS was the dream of Nazi Minister of Economics Herr Schacht

but the first President of it in 1930 was none other than Richard McGarrah Helms maternal grandfather, Gates McGarrah! So again we see the US intelligence connection to the Third Reich before WWII!

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/waryearsp5.html

[seventhson]

140. Small bites it digests easier but still makes me queasy

My father taught me all about these guys when I was a teenager.


But the most frequent "response" is "so what" OR It is ancient history OR Can you blame Bush for what his grandfather did?


My response is this:

There is a historical continuity. This shit nbever ended. The Bushes used the Auschwitz profits to finance their political empire AND the same corporate and financial erntities were NEVER held accountable and continued their Nazi/Fascist operations (especially in Latin America and Africa and Asia) AFTER the supposed defeat of Hitler.

I STILL believe Hitler was spirited away to safety and retirement and that , essentially, the REAL Nazis *Bush, Roickefeller, Dulles et al) WON WWII.

American GI's paid the ultimate price along with millions of Jews and Europeans and Russians.

And the BushNazis WON.


That ois why it is critical that we united to defeat Bush in 2004 and get over the petty bullshit that divides us (except the attacks on Kerry whom I believe is part of the Skull and Bones BFEE)

[bobthedrummer]

127. The similar tactics are uncanny between Third Reich and BFEE

they could even include coups, which were studied in the Clinton era.
Revolution in Political and Military Affairs/RPMA
http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/coup.htm

[bobthedrummer]

129. Mae Brussell link

http://www.maebrussell.com/index.html

[nolabels]

130. Casey, Raygun, Poppy,>>>>>>>>>?

Lots of little tibits in this link

http://www.globalfreepress.com/bush_baker_enron.shtml

(snip)
From The Cultural Cold War
by Frances Stonor Saunders
New Press

The fund raising arm of the Free Europe Committee (a CIA front) was The Crusade for Freedom for which a young actor named Ronald Reagan was a leading spokeman and publicist.

The Crusade for Freedom was used to launder money to support a programme run by Bill Casey, the future CIA director, called the International Refugee Committee in New York , which allegedly coordinated the exfiltration of Nazis from Germany to the United States where they were expected to assist the government in fighting Communism......

The Ford Foundation gave $500,000 to Bill Casey's International Rescue Committee and substantial grants to another CIA front, the World Assembly of Youth...the convergence between the Rockefeller billions and the U.S. government exceeded even that of the Ford Foundation.



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NY Daily News 12/7/98
Chase Banked On Nazis - Report

The New York-based bank controlled by the Rockefeller family closed Jewish accounts even before the Germans ordered them to do so and did business with the Nazis while they were sending Jews to the gas chambers, Newsweek magazine reports in this week's edition.
And while the U.S. was at war with the Nazis, Chase also apparently helped German banks do business with their overseas branches, the magazine reported...The relationship between Chase and the Nazis apparently was so cozy that Carlos Niedermann, the Chase branch chief in Paris, wrote his supervisor in Manhattan that the bank enjoyed "very special esteem" with top German officials and "a rapid expansion of deposits.

" Niedermann's letter was written in May 1942 - five months after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and the U.S. also went to war with Germany.

(Contrary to the conservative Christian image they falsely project, the Bush family are major proponents of birth control, Planned Parenthood, forcible sterilization and eugenics. They have worked with the Rockefeller family - the world's #1 advocates of eugenics - on these issues for three generations)



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Appendix C World Population Crisis:
The United States Response by Phyllis Tilson Piotrow; Praeger Publishers
Foreword by George H. Bush, Jr.
U.S. Representative to the United Nations, 1973

Few issues in the world have undergone such a rapid shift in public attitudes and government policies over the last decade as the problems of population growth and fertility control.

My own first awareness of birth control as a public policy issue came with a jolt in 1950 when my father was running for the United States Senate in Connecticut. Drew Pearson, on the Sunday before Election Day, "revealed" that my father was involved with Planned Parenthood...

As chairman of the special Republican Task Force on Population and Earth Resources, I was impressed by the arguments of William H. Draper...General Draper continues to lead through his tireless work for the UN Population Fund.

Now the recommendations of the Commission on Population Growth and the American Future, chaired by John D. Rockefeller 3rd, have urged many agencies to take on a larger role and have called for the U.S. government to adopt a national population policy....one of the major challenges of the 1970s, the Second United Nations Development Decade, will be to curb the world's fertility...

private organizations, like the Population Crisis Committee, Planned Parenthood, the Population Council, the Population Reference Bureau, the Population Institute, Zero Population Growth, and others, have played a major role in assisting government policy makers and in mobilizing the
(snip)

[piotrz82]

131. Heil der Fuhrer!

So who is the enemy now, oh great leader? Just tell me who to
hate, and I will, with all my heart. I believe in your wisdom
because I am simply a citizen with no knowledge. Lead me! Tell
me! Brainwash me! Too many ties, and you know a second term
will make the problems grow exponentially. We need to stand up
and scream "no to Empire!" 

[piotrz82]

132. Heil der Fuhrer!

So who is the enemy now, oh great leader? Just tell me who to hate, and I will, with all my heart. I believe in your wisdom because I am simply a citizen with no knowledge. Lead me! Tell me! Brainwash me! Too many ties, and you know a second term will make the problems grow exponentially. We need to stand up and scream "no to Empire!"

[bobthedrummer]

133. Since you are new here I welcome you to Democratic Underground!

I don't have a clue as to what your posts to my original one but it sounds like you are close to my political identity-independent voter, and a lifelong anti-fascist.

I've fought the fascist extreme RW in my homeland for 38 years piotrz82-since I was 15. I've been fighting them on the Internet since May 2001 when our son gave us this hotrod pc.

I've fought fascists literally in the streets of Milwaukee, Madison, Skokie and Denver. I've kept an eye out on the RW for all these decades, and believe there has been a coup of sorts starting with the sElection of 12-12-2000, now they are called Straussians/neo-conservatives. They are our enemy now, glad you will fight them with me.

They are both hawks and chickenhawks whether in or out of uniform.
Here are a couple of links which further identify these neo-conservative traitors, and describe some of their tactics.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact

http://www.prospect.org/print/V13/22/dreyfuss-r.html

Again, welcome to DU:hi:
Bob

[bobthedrummer]

136. During the Clinton era, the DoJ did pursue deportation of Nazis

quite unlike today.

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/Pre_96/September94/537.txt.html

This betrayal is so insidious it qualifies as a conspiracy IMHO and life-experiences.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Brunner_B_CS.html

[Liberator_Rev]

143. Thanks for your response Bob, in # 107-8

I looked up your references and found some very useful information.
The Vatican did indeed release "some" information. But if its archives proved that it has reason to be PROUD of its record, it wouldn't be so anxious to hide those records, now would it?

[shatoga]

157. betrayal so insidious it qualifies as a conspiracy

This thread dropped to the bottom of the page before mypage refreshed,
as I posted my comment.
Not insidious, just "co-inky-dink"

That "irrelevant crap" pushes any important topic to page two so quickly.

Is DU's cross to bear.

[seemslikeadream]

147. Karl Rove

Is it true that Karl Rove is the grandson of Karl Heinz Roverer, the gauleiter of Mecklenburg, who was also a partner and senior engineer of Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo AG. They built the Birchenau, the concentration camp in Nazi Germany?

I just read this www.almartinraw.com
The Ambassador Wilson Affair: The End of Karl Rove - And George Bush?

[bobthedrummer]

148. I'm gonna check this out.

eom

[Liberator_Rev]

149. Flash this perpetually

Thanks to the mighty Symbolman, we should always back up any serious material with
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html

[PATRICK]

150. common overview AND specific ties

The Nazis of course were the big monstrous losers and trying to link them with forces in this country has not been successful or timely enough. In fact, the characteristics and tarring has been neatly turned against the "left" and democracy for fifty years- by our industrial traitors.

I'd say keep making inroads in the links(ideological and people/money trail) with germany, but also look at the big picture. All the wars, the tyrants, the conquerors have been pretty much of the same right wing unscrupulous cloth only rarely with such a profusion of venal chickenhawks that is truly shameful to behold anyway you think about it. Making any one group stand out takes humankind's eyes away from the total reality of the picture. That this is the lowest form of ambitious humanity, the most dangerous and undesirable, often perversely- admired or feared.

What about the rest of the world suddenly feeling its' unity, its democratic yearnings, a taste of peace and prosperity and broad communication across the globe? Why should the majority put up with this crap? Why enable it according to the good old boy pattern? Even women's suffrage would be sufficient to drown the resurgent scum if determined.

It's a new world and the "the world is weary of its past."
Of course Shelley noted that over a century and a half ago(the New British Century) and we are still building brutish futile monuments for our President Ozymandias.

[Octafish]

153. How better to apply the harness?

In America: Enslave the masses through economics. People today are so busy working two and three jobs in order to try and make ends meet have no time for politics. They know the public schools stink, etc. They just are too busy staying afloat to think about it. And while their hands and backs and minds are beholden, their pockets are picked, the Treasury is looted, and their future penured.

For the rest of the world: Fear. Those that resist, give them the blade. In the meantime, enjoy the bounty.

The mailed fist holding the rheins. They've been called many names. None better than Ozymandias.

"Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

Thanks, PATRICK!

[nolabels]

151. The Nazi's did want to set religous days aside

Freedom of or from Religion is a key for many people in understanding thier relationship to the rest of Humanity

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/lodz.html
The Lodz Ghetto

When Adolf Hitler became the Chancellor of Germany in 1933, the world watched with concern and disbelief. The following years revealed persecution of Jews, but the world reveled in the belief that by appeasing Hitler, he and his beliefs would remain within Germany. On September 1, 1939, Hitler shocked the world by attacking Poland. Using blitzkrieg tactics, Poland fell within three weeks.

Lodz, located in central Poland, held the second largest Jewish community in Europe, second only to Warsaw. When the Nazis attacked, Poles and Jews worked frantically to dig ditches to defend their city. Only seven days after the attack on Poland began, Lodz was occupied. Within four days of Lodz's occupation, Jews became targets for beatings, robberies, and seizure of property.

September 14, 1939, only six days after the occupation of Lodz, was Rosh Hashanah, one of the holiest days within the Jewish religion. For this High Holy day, the Nazi's ordered businesses to stay open and the synagogues to be closed. While Warsaw was still fighting off the Germans (Warsaw finally surrendered on September 27), the 230,000 Jews in Lodz were already feeling the beginnings of Nazi persecution. On November 7, 1939, Lodz was incorporated into the Third Reich and the Nazi's changed its name to Litzmannstadt ("Litzmann's city") - named after a German general who died while attempting to conquer Lodz in World War I.

The next several months were marked by daily round-ups of Jews for forced labor as well as random beatings and killings on the streets. It was easy to distinguish between Pole and Jew because on November 16, 1939 the Nazi's had ordered Jews to wear an armband on their right arm. The armband was the precursor to the yellow Star of David badge which was soon to follow on December 12, 1939.
(snip)

[9215]

152. Another association of Bush linked to JFK assasination

More from "The Man Who Knew too Much":

.....Five hours after the assassination, Ily Mamantov, who had never seen Oswald, received a phone call from Jack Crichton asking him to serve as interpreter for the interrogation of Marina. Crichton was in 1963 the president of Nafco Oil & Gas, Inc., and a former head of Military Intelligence. According to information uncovered by the Garrison investigations, Crichton had been among a small group of Army Intelligence officials who met with H.L. Hunt soon after the assassination.


.....George de Mohrenschildt, in his Warren Commission testimony, would describe Mamantov as the one "excessive rightist" of the Dallas's Russian e'migre' community.
Interestingly Mrs. Igor Voshinin told me in 1992 that Mamantov "knew George Bush very well". Bush was president of Zapata Oil in Houston in 1963. "Mamantov died recently," said Voshinin, "but he told me that he had received a very charming letter from President Bush. I remember one line: 'You and I did it'." (She could not recall the context.) pp680

.....After the Watergate break-in where several ex -CIA men and Cuban exiles were caught in 1972, Richard Nixon expressed worry on the White House tape-recording system that this might open up "the whole Bay of Pigs thing." Nixon's chief of staff, H. R. Haldeman later wrote of his belief that the president was really talking about the Kennedy assassination.

George Bush, a Texas oilman in 1963, is also found on the periphery of the assassination. As noted earlier in this book, his name appeared in George de Mohrenschildt's personal notebook and
bush was a friend of Marina Oswald's translator, Ilya Mamantov. When George Bush became CIA director (1976-78), Nagell is on record as having written to him about Robert Morrow's book "Betrayal"

The White House has denied that the president was the "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" idntified in a Novermber 1963, FBI memorandum as having been briefed by the FBI on the reacton of Miam's Cuban exiles. But ther is no denying the existence of another recently released FBI memo, which begins:

"On Novermber 22, 1963, Mr. George H.W. Bush, 5525 Briar, Houston, Texas, telephonically advised tha he wanted to relate some hearsay that he had heard in recent week, date and source unknown. He advised that on James Parrott had been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston."

An FBI investigation into Bush's charge failed to turn up any connection whatsoever tying James Parrott to the assassination. Parrott was then an active member of Houston's Young Republicans, who had been involved in picketing members of the Kennedy administration. Bush was then serving as campaign manager for future Republican senator John Tower. Since Parrott's group had come out strongly against a then nascent alliance between Texas Republicans and representatives of the petroleum industry, Bush and Parrott were political enemies..... (pp. 709-10)

[Octafish]

154. Halliburton (Brown & Root) tentacles reach back to 22 Nov 1963

Thanks for the friendly reminder on the White Russian Mamantov, 9215! So Poppy Bush told the guy: "We did it." Having been angry since November 22, 1963, I am very interesting in reading that letter.

Sigh. The Reich has friends the world over. Especially powerful are the ones in Texas. That reminds me, the Manned Spacecraft Center is in Houston and NASA was where Werner von Braun worked. Small world. — Octafish


Bronfman, Bush, Cheney
Seagrams, Zapata, Brown & Root
ALL INTERCONNECTED IN THE SPIDER'S WEB

CHENEY'S HALLIBURTON (ROOT & BROWN) THING LEADS DIRECTLY TO THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION.

EXERPT...

In 1998 Richard Cheney got the idea that Halliburton should purchase Dresser Industries, for $8.1 billion (creating the world's largest oil-drilling services company) while on a quail hunt with Dresser chair Bill Bradford.  Dresser and Halliburton merged.  Dresser Industries was owned and operated by Brown Brothers Harriman. Prescott Bush (George H.W.'s father) was a partner of Brown Brothers and on the board of Dresser for decades until he became a U.S. Senator.

CHENEY'S FIRM HALLIBURTON AND BROWN & ROOT FINANCED, (IN PART) PERMINDEX, THE CORPORATE FRONT, WHICH OPERATED THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY.

PERMINDEX was a corporate front, headed by Major Louis M. Bloomfield of Canada.  Clay Shaw operated a division of PERMINDEX in New Orleans at the International Trade Mart. The connections between Clay Shaw, David Ferrie and Lee Harvey Oswald have, at this time, been proven by documentary and photographic evidence, despite myriad attempts to discredit the Garrison investigation.

Halliburton was one of the financiers of PERMINDEX. George and Herman Brown of Brown and Root were also financiers. Halliburton acquired Brown and Root after 1963.  In the Nomenclature of an Assassination Cabal, William Torbitt, states:

The principal financiers of Permindex were a number of U. S. oil companies, H. L. Hunt of Dallas, Clint Murchison of Dallas, John DeMenil, Solidarist director of Houston, John Connally as executor of the Sid Richardson estate, Haliburton Oil Co., Senator Robert Kerr of Oklahoma, Troy Post of Dallas, Lloyd Cobb of New Orleans, Dr. Oschner of New Orleans, George and Herman Brown of Brown and Root, Houston, Attorney Roy M. Cohn, Chairman of the Board for Lionel Corporation, New York City, Schenley Industries of New York City, Walter Dohrnberger, ex-Nazi General and his company, Bell Aerospace, Pan American World Airways, its subsidiary, Intercontinental Hotel Corporation, Paul Raigorodsky of Dallas through his company, Claiborne Oil of New Orleans, Credit Suisse of Canada, Heineken's Brewery of Canada and a host of other munition makers and NASA contractors directed by the Defense Industrial Security Command.

CONTINUED...

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/bronfmanbush.html

[bobthedrummer]

155. Re: "We did it."

:puke::argh:
eom.

[9215]

158. More on Dresser and the JFK hit

Also note that Poppy worked for Dresser

Bush, Dresser Industries and the JFK Hit
by Linda Minor

In 1961, shortly after George Bush moved to Houston, his company joined a consortium with Dresser Industries and General Dynamics to bid on the "Mohole Project," which was awarded to Brown & Root.

In 1950 Dresser Industries had relocated its headquarters to Dallas with a large branch office in Houston--the center of the oil and gas industry. Before the 1961 Mohole bid, Dresser had rejected the opportunity to acquire Brown & Root, whose chairman, Herman Brown, was the organizer of Houston’s own political action committee;

Herman’s brother, George R. Brown, was for many years head of the Rice Institute board of governors and was Lyndon Johnson’s biggest contributor and fund-raiser.

The Rice board controlled the assets and companies of Howard Hughes, not the least important of which was the patent for the three-cone rolling cutter rock bit. The Rice board members were also intimately involved with the management of Houston-based Humble Oil, a company whose connections with the Rockefeller Standard Oil empire were difficult to hide, especially after Humble co-founder and chairman W.
......

Google: Dresser+JFK+hit for the rest of this

[shatoga]

156. Links -useful links-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=58

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=15504&forum=13

>I posted this topic based on research inspired by conservatives labeling their opponents as Communists and socialist at every opportunity.
Little did I imagine that it would turn out that the Nazis merged (post WWII) with the far right wing of the republican Party, or that they've since taken over the republican Party almost totally.
God help us,
unless we can wake up enough americans to the truth before they start the ovens to eliminate Liberals in Amerika/Bushylvania
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The Nazi Party Program, version 2003
http://forums.prodigalstranger.nee.dk/viewtopic.php?t=120
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"
http://forums.prodigalstranger.nee.dk/viewtopic.php?t=306


BTW/ a bit of cross pollinization between forums is a good thing.
I recommend free thinking DUers join and post at Prodigal.

http://forums.prodigalstranger.nee.dk/index.php

(As I've already recommended prodigal's members join and post at DU)

[MrPrax]

160. Does This Count...ex-CIA guy thinks so

Norman Mailer recently broke the great silence about the true direction of Bush's America when he wondered if his country had entered a "pre-fascist atmosphere." In Washington, I put this to Ray McGovern, a former senior CIA officer, distinguished as a Soviet specialist and cold warrior, a man who counts himself a personal friend of George Bush, the president's father, who said: "I hope is right, because there are others who are saying we are already in a fascist mode... when you see how this war is being conducted."
John Pilger piece http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4609.htm

Or from the soon to be latest suicide former UK Minister Michael Meacher speaking the forbidden words, 'Reichstag Fire'

This war on terrorism is bogus

The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1036571,00.html