Need help with the Swift Boat vets (Kerry haters)

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So, apparently I bit off too much, and can't remember the name of the site that documents how much was donated to campaigns. I need to find out how much these guys gave to Bush*'s campaign...

Roy Alexander
Kenneth J. Andrews, Lt.
Dan V. Armstrong, BM2
Ray Lewis Ballew
Alexander Bass
George ?M.? Bates
Richard Beers
Paul L. Bennett, Cdr., USN
Edward J. ?Lord Mort? Bergin, Capt., USNR Ret.
Henry ?Buddy? Berman, QM2
Barry Bogart, EN2
Bob Bolger Cdr., USN Ret.
M.T. Boone
David Borden
Vern Boyd
David M. Bradley, LCdr.
Robert ?Friar Tuck? Brant, Cdr. USN (Ret.)
Kenneth Briggs
Carlyle J. Brown , EN2
Kenneth ?Buck? Buckholz, GMM3
Michael C. Burton
Joe Cahill, Jr., Lt.
Jack L. Carlson, Lt., USNR
Billy Carwile, EN3
Jack Chenoweth
William Colgan, RD3
Bill Collins
Daniel K. Corbett, Lt., USNR
James M. Corrigan, QM3
Terry Cosstello
John H. Davis, Lt.
William K. Daybert, Cdr.
James Deal
John Dooley, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Dale Duffield , BM1, USN, Ret.
Robert G. Elder, Lt.
George M. Elliott, Capt. USNR, Ret.
Wallace Benjamin Foreman, QM1, USN, Ret.
William T. Ferris, Capt. USNR, Ret.
William E. Franke, LT.jg
Robert L. Franson, BMCS (SW)
Alfred J. French, III, Capt., JAGC, USNR, Ret.
Paul F. Fulcomer, RD3
Ray Fuller, GMG3
Steve Fulton, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Mike Gann, Capt., USNR, Ret.
Steve Gardner
Bill Garlow
Les Garrett
Tony Gisclair
Robert Gnau, QM2
Donald Goldberg
Morton Golde, Cdr. USN, Ret.
Kenneth Golden
Gerald L. Good, Lt. USN
John C. Graves
Charles E. Green, ENCM, USN Ret.
Dennis L. Green, GMG
H.C. Griffin, Jr., Lt. USNR
I.B.S. (Boyd) Groves, Jr.
Charles R. Grutzius, Capt. USNR, Ret.
F.L. Skip ?Mustang Sally?
Gunther, Lt. USN
Bill Halpin, Lt. USNR, Ret.
Don C. Hammer, Lt.
Rock Harmon
Keith C. Harris, RD2
Stewart M. Harris, Lt., USN
Gene Hart, RD3
Bob Hastings
Curt Hatler
John Hecker , RD3
Chuck Herman, RD3
Raul Herrera
Tom Herritage
Grant (Skip) Hibbard
Rocky Hildreth
Roy Hoffmann, Adm., USN, Ret.
William P. Holden, Capt., USN Ret.
Wayland Holloway, Lt. USNR
Robert Hooke, Lt.
Andy Horne
John Howell
Warren Hudson
Charles W. Hunt, EN3
Robert Hunt
Gail E. ?Ike? Ikerd, Cdr. Ret.
John Paul Jones, QM3
Tom Jones
Eddie Kajioka ENCS, USN Ret.
John L. Kipp, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Thomas H. Klemash
Kenneth Knipple, EN1
Robert Koger, QM2
Mike Kovanen, RD3
Bob Kreyer, GMG2
Jack K. Lane, GMG3
William T. Langham
William Lannom
Joseph R. Lavoie, II CWO2 (BOSN), USN Ret.
Louis Letson, LCdr., USN, Ret.
Jim Madden, RD3
William S. Mann, Jr., LT.jg
Jim Larohn, GMG3
Douglas Martin, Lt. USNR
Tom Mason, Lt.
Donald Matras, EN2 Ret.
Thomas Mason, Lt.
Louis Masterson
Richard McFarland, Lt. USNR
Kenneth B. McGhee
James McNeal, ENC
Larry Meyer
Jack Merkley, Lt.
James M. Miller
Martin Miller, ENC, Ret.
Marc Milligan, GMG2
Benjamin A. Montoya, QM3
Bub Morgan, LT.jg
Edgar (Ed) M. Morrill, Jr.
Tom Morrill, EN3
Wayne H. Moser
Kurt Moss, Lt. J.G.
Frank Mueller
Marc Mulligan, GMG2
Ed Mundy
Richard Olsen, Lt.
John O?Neill
Albert Owens
Tedd Peck, Capt. USNR, Ret.
Robert Phalen, GMG2
Joseph L. Ponder, GMG-2, USN Ret.
Charles Plumley
Chuck Rabel
Bill Rogers , Lt.
Jennings Rogerson II, Capt. USMC Ret.
Patrick Sage GMG3
Gary W. Sallee, BM2
Joe Sandoval, GMG3
Jimmy W. Sanford, RD3
Robert ?Bob? Sattergood
Jim Schneider, EN2
Clair J. (Pete) Schrodt, Capt. USN, Ret.
Jack Shamley
Patrick Sheedy, Cdr., USN, Ret.
Paul Shepherd, QM2
Robert B. Shirley, Lt.jg
William Shumadine
Stanley G. Simonson, GMG2
Darryl Skuce, GMG2
John J. Skura
Gerald H. Smith
Roy Smith
B. Tony Snesko BM2
Mike Solhaug
Jack Spratt, LCDR
Stirlin Harris, BM2
Fred E. Stith, USN, (Ret.)
David R. Stefferud, Capt., USN Ret.
James Steffes
Lawrence Stoneberg, Lt. USN Ret.
Weymouth Symmes
W.P. (Sonny) Taylor
James P. Thomas
Eldon Thompson, LT.jg
Charles R. Tinstman, ENC
Gary E. Townsend
William F. Trainer
Michael Turley, BM2
Chris J. Vedborg, RD3
Jeffrey M. Wainscott, LT. jg
David Wallace
Greg Ward, EN2
Larry J. ?Waz? Wasikowski,
Cdr. U.S. Naval Reserve
Pete Webster
Robert T. Wedge, Jr., QM1, USN Ret.
Steven Weekley, GMG, QM3
George H. White, II
R. Shelton White, Lt.
Gary K. Whittington, EN3
James D. Wiggins
Dennis D. Willess, EN3
Thomas A. Withey, Lt.
Barnard Wolff
Thomas W. Wright , Cdr., USN Ret.
John Wyatt, GMG
John Yeoman, Lt.
Ex Officio:
Verne DeWitt
David P. Marion , CPT Infantry, US Army
Benjamin A. Montoya, QM3
Cordelia Ogrinz, in memory of her brother Alexander J. Ogrinz, III, Lt.
Rex Rectanus, VADM, USN, Ret.
Skip Ridley
Emmett Tidd

Also, there was an article that quite a few of these guys resented being put into this "Yeah! me too club" without their permission. Anybody remember that? I know the original article about SBVFT came from that oh' so unpartisan CBN site, but this one came from another. I also know about Joe Conason's expose on John O'Neal, the Repug operative.

Also, who's the Repub lady who's financing these guys?

Anybody know of a list of VN Vets FOR Kerry that outnumber this one?:D

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1. That must've been one FULL Boat!!

I love how they make it seem as though they ALL served with Kerry. Shit.. that is just a joke.

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2. financed by Spaeth

Widow of john e. o'neill's law partner

Here is a good link: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth

just looked into some of this yesterday when my father-in-law sent it to my husband asking "are all these men lying?"

Ugh.

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3. Smear Boat Veterans

Joe Conason did a great article on them called "Smear Boat Veterans for Bush" - http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/04/swift/index_np.html

edit: Here is another article he did on the same subject - http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/05/14/gannon/

He exposes all of their right-wing ties and such.

This has got some good info too - http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth

Merrie Spaeth is the Repub lady I believe you are referring too.

Also, let it be stressed that these guys did not actually serve WITH Kerry, but on the same kind of boats he did. I think only 1 of these guys actually knew Kerry, and the rest of his fellow crewmates are NOT part of this crew. Many of them have campaigned with him in fact.

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9. If they are Swift Boat vets for Kerry

its ok though? (that didn't come out right, but what the hey)

That's something that's always bothered me, it seems hypocritical to question these guys, while at the same time elevating the ones who support Kerry, merely because they support Kerry instead of Bush. Couldn't it be said for the ones supporting Kerry that they have left-wing ties? I mean, if it wasn't ok for jeepers-creepers-refreepers to attack Max Cleland, is it ok for Democrats to attack these guys?

I'll just be staying out of the swift-boat-vet-issue-debate, I guess.

Sorry about flame baiting your thread, feeling a little cynical on the whole politician thing today. A little left out in the cold. :shrug:

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10. No, that's not my problem with them

It's that they are trying to pass themselves off as some independent group critical of Kerry when they didn't even KNOW him. They try to make it sound as if they were his former crewmates or something (who support and campaign with him), but they merely served on the same type of boat in Vietnam.

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12. OK, thanks

that makes things a little clearer.

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13. no problem :)

And I didn't think you were flame baiting at all :)

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14. Thanks!!

:hi:

Have a good day!

[Imalittleteapot]

4. Try this link...opensecrets

www.opensecrets.org

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5. Here's another one to try too:

http://www.newsmeat.com/

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6. Kenneth Andrews

Here is Kenneth Andrews contributions, all right-wing - http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NY&last=Andrews&first=Kenneth

He is the second name on the list.

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7. Wow Cool!

Keep 'em coming!

I'm off to hunt and read. How about that site that details what people give to politicians?

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8. Alexander Bass

I'm just going down the list and found Bass' donations, all right-wing, including to Dubya.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NH&last=Bass&first=Alexander

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11. John Paul JONES? Tom JONES? John YEOMAN? Sound Fake

Good project idea, each of us look up a couple or a few.

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15. I've been going through a number of them, and...

It's hard to decide who these guys are, especially with common names. Without at least a state listed, which I don't have, who knows what party, or donations these guys made. What if some of these guys actually gave to John Kerry, and really don't agree with this group? And, what to make of those children/spouses who belong "on their behalf"? Isn't that presumptuous of the idealogical "conceerns" of the dead?

There was an article sometime after these guys made their press conference, where some vets whose names were included were angry to be associated with SBVFT, and never gave their permission. I wish I knew where I read that.:shrug: