Tell Al From that Dean is out of the race....Please.

[madfloridian]

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=131&subid=207&contentid=252756

SNIP..."Six months ago, Republicans thought this election would be a cakewalk. The Democratic frontrunner, Howard Dean, was running away from Clintonism with a campaign that threatened to revive the GOP's favorite stereotypes of Democrats as quick to raise middle-class taxes, out of touch with middle-class values, and reluctant to defend America's security in the world. With decades of experience in attacking liberalism, Bush strategists didn't even bother to come up with a positive agenda."

Once again, Al says forget about the base.
SNIP..."Like Clinton, both have been able to attract support across ideological lines, from Democrats, independents, and moderate Republicans. And when Dean tried to lure the party off the Clinton path by eschewing swing voters and appealing only to the energetic faithful, Kerry and Edwards understood that Democrats and undecided voters alike could be energized with answers, not anger."

Thanks, Al. Why don't you back off now? Dean is out of the race.

[Blue-Jay]

1. There are a few around here that should be told that too.

/ducks and runs

[Name removed]

4. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Blue-Jay]

5. heh heh!

Now I'm in a good mood!

:D

[Cheswick2.0]

6. thanks for kicking the thread

[Blue-Jay]

8. Any time!

Have a great weekend!

[Ripley]

11. You're killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's the funniest damn thing I've seen on here outside of MoPaul's Babs in Pearls!

Thanks. :D

[madfloridian]

13. Ha Ha, just saw the picture.

Love it.

[Dookus]

15. uh huh

You get offended when anybody says anything at all about Dean that is less than glowing, but when someone on your side tells somebody to shut the fuck up it's funny? Mighty selective outrage on your part.

[Blue-Jay]

17. Shhh!

We're supposed to be bullies, remember?

[mdmc]

18. fore!

:hi:
:kick:

[Dookus]

19. I find it odd...

If I typed the words in that graphic, the post would be deleted immediately. It's nice to know that now I can couch any hateful nasty attack inside a graphic and get away with it.

[madfloridian]

20. That is a ridiculous statement. I was laughing at the picture itself.

I made no connection to attacking anyone. Perhaps you need to get over it, as you have told me often. I was not attacking, I thought the pic was funny. You have issues about anything I say.

Hey, you have every right to attack Dean. I just think you should not keep going after Dean supporters. There is a difference, you know.

[madfloridian]

21. BTW, Dookus, what is "my side."

I thought I was Democrat who is concerned about the leaders of the DLC like Al From. I have no gripe with Democrats who speak up for us.

I hate being treated like a 2nd class citizen because I am/was a supporter of Howard Dean. It is totally out of line.

[sangh0]

23. A Dean supporter

It seems that it's a funny thing when a Dean supporter tells a non-Dean supporter to STFU.

I have a hunch about how it would be recieved in other situations

[madfloridian]

27. Here we go!

See my explanation above. Have at it, go for it. I posted that I thought the pic was funny. Worse than that goes on here every day. I am tired of this hatred of Dean supporters. Al From hates us all enough, so you don't need to do so.

Dean is fair game, but supporters should not be. We used to be good fellow Democrats but some folks are more interested in driving us away than keeping us part of the party. Wonder what the motivation could be. I refer to Al From of course.

Here we go again.

[Blue-Jay]

30. Who said I was a non-Dean supporter?

I was leaning towards Dean for much of the time before the primaries. No, I wasn't a "Deaniac", but I liked the guy and intended to vote for him. That's not the point, though. I'm just getting a little weary of the daily canonization threads for the good doctor. If anyone deserves such wistful admiration it's "Rappin' Denny K" in my opinion. (No, I don't know why I called Dennis that. It just slipped out)

Dean was tremendous in energizing people, better than anyone I've ever seen. That said, it's time to move on. It's time to focus.

/steps off soapbox

I didn't mind the STFU. That graphic, while old & tired, always makes me laugh. All in good fun, folks.

[Dookus]

25. again

with the martyrdom. Neither I nor others have ever treated you as a second class citizen.

but the fact remains you are easily offended when anybody says something less than positive about Dean or his followers, and yet here you are cheerleading a nasty, vulgar attack simply because it was provided by another Dean supporter. I guarantee if I told you to shut the fuck up and think before you post something stupid, you would be (rightly) offended. Why is it OK for Cheswick to do it?

By "your side" I meant simply a Dean supporter - no need to read more into it than that.

[madfloridian]

28. Martyrdom. Martyrdom. This thread needs some Loving, right?

Send in the troops. A Dean supporter is loose.

[Dookus]

29. *shrug*

I never said that. You read more into things than you ought to.

Now tell me, why is it OK for Cheswick to tell somebody to shut the fuck up and think before they post something stupid? Would you be offended if I said those words to you?

[madfloridian]

31. You read more into my Ha Ha. You know what I meant.

I thought it was a funny picture. By the way, I don't use that language, but I did like the picture. Guess you did not.

No, I think your intentions are pretty clear.

[Dookus]

32. My intentions are simply

to stop the nasty, vulgar, constant attacks by ONE very angry member here. She disgraces Howard Dean with her behavior.

[madfloridian]

33. Then why did you come after me?

If your stated intentions are to stop the attacks of another person, why did you come after me? That makes no sense at all.

I disgrace no one, and I will not take part in your attacks. I post for myself alone.

I just said I thought a picture was funny and all hell broke loose.

[Dookus]

36. madfloridian

I didn't come after you. Please, you really have to stop acting offended at every action. I have no dislike for you whatsoever.

I was merely pointing out that YOU are constantly pleading for tolerance and good behavior here, then you high-five a very offensive post by somebody who's typically on your side in these discussions.

The picture itself is just a soldier drinking from a cup. I don't see what's funny about the picture in the absence of the accompanying text.

The fact is, if you think that kind of discourse is fine and dandy, then you really have no right to be offended when it's directed at you. And in fact, I would never dream of saying such a thing to you.

[madfloridian]

37. I did not say it to you. I thought it was funny.

Maybe others don't. It just struck me that way on a post about Al From and the way he wants the party to go.

I did not take it as an attack on anyone here. You are right, I do plead for tolerance and good behavior here. Most people are that way as a rule. There is nothing wrong with that.

You came after me with guns blazing, so don't put it off on me. Ok?

Peace?

[Dookus]

38. hey

we'll always have peace. I'm a peaceful guy. I really didn't come after you with guns blazing. I was pointing out what I thought was an inconsistency in your position.

Your condemnation of uncivil discourse is welcome, but it's weakened when you only apply it to one side in the debate. I have never heard you once condemn any of the dozens of nasty, hateful attacks by a certain poster. Certainly those attacks are much worse than the things you feel target you - you can tell by the fact that her posts get deleted with great regularity.

[madfloridian]

39. It is not my business to judge what others post unless toward me.

I usually let the mods take care of it. I will occasionally alert, but not often now. If you find someone is being offensive, send an alert.

I don't post offensive things, unless it is about certain DLC leaders. I don't post about the rank and file DLC members, as most are ok.

I will defend myself.

[tom_paine]

2. Considering that Al From uses almost the same words to bash Liberals as

the Imperial Pravda Machine and Lie Laundry, one has to wonder who he's working for.

Truly.

Probably just himself at BEST. At worst, well Al From, meet Lucianne Goldberg and G. Gordon Liddy...

[madfloridian]

9. You noticed that as well?

Odd, huh?

[tom_paine]

12. Well, he might be lazily just following an accepted, tested script

It might be incompetence or evil.

Actually, that's ANOTHER similarity of From to the Busheviks he may or may not work for.

[Cheswick2.0]

3. that man is a fucking psycho

I didn't realize that we were on the "Clinton Path".
DLC sucks.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Dean should be head of the DNC.

[indigo32]

10. Meanwhile Dean was on the radio and C-Span today

explaining how he wholeheartedly supports the Democratic Nominee. Who's the bigger man I wonder?
:grr:

[mdmc]

14. I really hate that man

well, maybe not hate.
I don't hate him, but he sure does not inspire me to vote dem.

[Ivan Zero]

16. The difference between the DLC and the dinosaurs

The dinosaurs didn't see their extinction coming, and therefore didn't babble about the forces of change.

[Armstead]

22. Screw the DLC

The only thing they are accomplishing is souring many liberals on the Democratic Party.

We have no choice, but screw them if they think they can fly for very long on their bullshit.

The "centrist majority p
This year is special because of the unified desire to stop the Bush regime. But the Democrat Party had better stop kowtowing to these reactionary corporate Trojan Horses called the DLC. Otherwise,altrnatives like the Greens will look attractive enough to enough people to siphon enough support from the Democrats so that the Democratic Party will become weaker and more irrelevant.

[ShaneGR]

24. Since I'm in DC, I'll comment

Al's just pissed none of his candidates are worth 2 cents now. Hey Al, nice pick with Lieberman... where's he at now?

And Kerry is far left of the traditional DLC people. Edwards wasn't even invited to speak at their convention because of his liberal voting record (100 on gun control, 100 on choice)

[Q]

26. The DLC has become an enemy of the Democratic party 'base'

- Instead of working TOGETHER with progressives to build a better party...they've gone off on their own and have joined with Republicans in smearing anyone to the left of them.

- So what if the DLC is afraid of the stereotypes that RWingers throw at Dems? Is this a reason to abandon the BASE of the party and move to the right?

[FarLeftRage]

34. The dlc are nothing more than a bunch of nematodes

Parasitic in nature, they must cleansed out of the body...

[Larkspur]

35. Al From must be terrified of Dean's PAC Democracy for America

and Dean's goal to get his supporters to continue challenging the political spectrum by either running for office or supporting progressive candidates in races around the country. This would help derail the DLC to ineffective status.

[WI_DEM]

40. Al From is a fat right wing bastard who has done more harm

to the democratic party than anyone I can think of--He is the reason we fear Nader.