NPR Sez F911 doesn't mean a groundswell against Bush...

[Junkdrawer]

Why people who love Bush went to see the movie too, just so they could talk about it later, doncha know?

Link later.

Umm, NPR: got some bad news: F911 is so popular because people are sick and tired of your propaganda and will drive hundreds of miles to see an alternate point of view.

[Jack_Dawson]

1. NPR = Freeper Propaganda?

I mean I know Faux is...but NPR? Aren't they pretty middle-of-the-road?

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Running further right all the time, news-wise.

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[Warpy]

8. check out FAIR

NPR has been having an increasing percentage of right wing shills on, more than the oppposing viewpoint.

Right wing shills are shopped to all the networks by right wing stink tanks and Christian Reconstructionist nutcase training programs. There is no equivalent effort to get moderate or left experts onto the air. They keep waiting for broadcasters to come to THEM.

Check out the real deal on media bias at http://www.fair.org/

[cap]

27. they wont air them...

brookings institute has a studio all wired up and ready to go. brookings used to be on all the time to give a liberal point of view.

[Jackpine Radical]

15. Check out NPR's "lefty" credentials for yourself...

http://www.fair.org/reports/npr-study.html

[Junkdrawer]

22. And that was ten years ago....

There was a decided lurch to the right in 2000 and again after 9/11.

[Skittles]

3. the fact that people are going in droves to see a POLITICAL DOCUMENTARY

speaks VOLUMES

[clydefrand]

4. And they must be affected

on some level. Otherwise, they aren't human!

[Nlighten1]

5. "Day to Day"

This program was shilling so hard for the Republicans today it made me want to rip my radio out of the dash.

[Still_Loves_John]

6. Well honestly

there's no evidence, outside of anecdotal, which proves that significant numbers of people have had their minds changed by the film. So right now, the F9/11 numbers don't necessarily mean a groundswell against Bush--time will tell.

But I understand that it's easier to label npr a Republican mouthpiece and not worry about it any more.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

10. No, the point is not how many are being "converted" (remains to be seen),

but the fact that the film is doing so well SHOWS HOW MANY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF SHRUBCO AND ALREADY WANT TO VOTE THEM OUT, even in advance of seeing the film.

That is all.

[Still_Loves_John]

13. Uh, no, that is the point.

We already know that about half the electorate wants Bush out, and since this movie is has only been seen by about 4% of the electorate, it doesn't even prove that. The way this movie will be effective is if enough undecideds see it and decide to vote Bush out in November. If it's just a big liberal love-in then there is no impact.

[Shakespeare]

18. Ah, but there's been "exit polling" of sorts.

And it showed a mix of democrats, independents and republicans. And somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of moviegoers interviewed after the film said they were going to recommend it to others.

So, we do know more.

[wryter2000]

12. Yes and no, TFK

There's been recent evidence that NPR is moving toward the right. I'm kind of busy, or I'd find the links for you. They're here if you can do a search.

You're right that the evidence that the movie is changing minds is anecdotal. I don't know what other evidence we could have at this point. However, it's extremely unusual for a documentary to be doing so well, especially given its limited distribution. "Bowling for Columbine" was a phenom by documentary standards and F911 has already out-sold BFC's entire run. To say that there's no groundswell is a pretty baseless conclusion, imho.

[Still_Loves_John]

17. I agree that it's moving to the right

but that fact alone doesn't really mean that you can discount anything that they say.

[baldguy]

7. If the "news" corporations had been doing their job...

...Michael Moore wouldn't have made this movie.

[GiovanniC]

9. Jeez, Which Is It?

MSNBC told me that only lefties were seeing this film, that it was just preaching to the choir, that it wasn't going to affect anyone's vote because the only people watching this movie were people who were already full of venom and vitriol against Bush anyway.

Now NPR says that Independents and Republicans are going.

Either way is great for us, frankly. This movie is a resounding success, which means either that there's a whole lotta Democrats out there, or that Independents and Republicans are getting exposed to the truth.

[qazplm]

16. I dont think

there will be a groundswell either.

I think the left thinks that it's merely a lack of information why the rest of America doesnt think the same way...but it isnt, it's much harder than that, they think differently and thus the challenge, it's not as simple as providing information, it's more complex in that arguments must be made to change minds!

F 9/11 wont change those on the right, will do nothing be reinforce those on the left, and those in the middle will likely change their minds 5 more times in the next few months on both substantive and silly reasons.

I agree with NPR, and I know that I am not Freeper Propoganda ;)

[FlemingsGhost]

20. FYI, qaz: "Propaganda"

"I agree with NPR, and I know that I am not Freeper Propoganda"

You sure spell like one.

:evilgrin:

[wellstone_democrat]

31. LMAO

n/t

[GiovanniC]

34. I Have Seen and Heard About

Several right-leaning and independent people who HAVE been swayed by this movie. I took a Republican to go see it on Friday. She came away vowing not to vote for Bush. This movie can, does, and WILL change minds.

[AP]

11. It has been in the theaters for less than a week. How would they know?

Sometimes I'm not sure if the media is telling me what is or what they want it to be.

[tom_paine]

14. NPR is sinking more and more swiftly into the miasma

And that's a fact.

[FlemingsGhost]

19. Psst ... NPR? When we want the "news" we'll tune in ...

Right now, we are getting the truth. Courtesy of Micheal Moore.

[Eloriel]

28. Oooo, well put!

Take THAT, NPR. :-)

[Junkdrawer]

21. Look, the political discussion ALLOWED by the corporate media...

ranges from right of center to somewhere to the right of Joseph Goebbels. And most of the American population grew up in an era where a MUCH wider range of opinion was permitted.

It only stands to reason that a moderate left voice will attract a huge following. Witness:

1.) The Howard Dean effect

2.) Air America Radio

and now

3.) Michael Moore

If the corporate masters were smart, they would release the steam on a more regular basis. But, alas, they are not, so we will continue to see wide swings.

The times, they are a changing.

[Junkdrawer]

23. Audio Link:

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=3022449

[fizzana]

24. Not to burst anyone's bubble but a little over 2 million people

saw F9/11 this weekend. Of those that saw it, I would suggest 90% are true believers (based partly on what I saw yesterday) who will vote Democrat no matter what and who despise * on some level. That leaves a little over 200K who went to see the movie other than for the fact that they are people like us. This represents 0.2% of people who will go to the polls in November.

I do believe there are the rumblings of a groundswell against Bush and F9/11 is a small part of that but the vast majority of voters will stay untouched or unaffected by F9/11.

This is in no way a defence of NPR which tries far too hard to prove that it isn't a liveral mouthpiece.

[Junkdrawer]

25. First, I'd say more like 3 million... ($24 million / $8 per ticket)

Second, that was one weekend.

Third, can you imagine if these numbers were for a pro-Bush documentary? The talking heads would be declaring the race all but over.

[dpbrown]

26. Wishful thinking

From the newest "balanced" freeper radio network.

[SpiralHawk]

29. I fully expect a Big Groundswell

This thing has legs. I want to go see it a second time, and soon. Lots of other people do, too.

What was a spark is now much more than a strong flame -- it's a widespread wildfire being swiftly blown by a building wind of change.

To mix in another metaphor -- what the hell at this point -- we are fast approaching The Hundredth Monkey threshold, define it as you will.

There may be a clampdown, that's my raw intuition. As the groundswell builds -- and I can feel in my bones that it will -- BushCo may very well panic and ... I don't even want to think about it.

May peace prevail.

[rinsd]

30. It depends....

Will it change many people's minds?

Out of 6 people I know who have seen it, none has changed their mind about Bush and who they are voting for(4 anti-Bush, 2 pro).

Also you have to figure the get out the movie ticket effort by groups like MoveOn had an effect on this first weekend.

If the movie doesn't lose more than 25% this next weekend(definite possibility with bigger release), I would have to say this film has legs.

I'll be seeing it tonite with one friend and another whose already seen it.

[Corgigal]

32. CBS just reported

Chimps approval rating now down to 42 percent. Tied to his lowest rating in his presidency.
Of course it's all just a coincidence.

[Corgigal]

33. CBS just reported

Chimps approval rating now down to 42 percent. Tied to his lowest rating in his presidency.
Of course it's all just a coincidence.

[senseandsensibility]

35. Do you have a link? n/t

[Corgigal]

36. nope

was on the ole tv.

[senseandsensibility]

37. Oh well, it NPR says it....

don't get me started. NPR was as bad as FOX in the run up to the war. I had to stop listening, it was so bad. Neil Conan is NPR's Judy Woodruff. You can hear the fear in his voice when he thinks he's going to offend the administration.