Check out this email I got from a FOX DJ...who is this guy?

[Blue_Roses]

First off, I emailed this guy because of his commentary that I read this morning. Here's a snip and then the link to the full text of the commentary:

...When I think of what America would be under Kerry, I draw back to the Jimmy Carter administration, when foreign powers kicked sand in our faces and we just smiled that Georgia grin, and turned the other cheek. I am not ready for that attitude.

I have spoken to many, whose opinion may have factored in that recent poll, who like me will pull the trigger for George come November.

Do not be fooled by poll numbers, they do not reflect what voters will do on election day.

That’s How I See It!


http://www.fox16.com/news/news_commentary/story.aspx?content_id=EB2BB53E-7F7B-404B-90BD-090DAE53D5D6

--snip--

Then I sent him this email:

While I agree, polls will change between now and November, but to "hold my nose" and vote for "W" isn't something that speaks too confident in how our "leader" is doing. I for one, have many issues with him that I give him an "F" on--one being healthcare--and I find that not only will Kerry do a much better job, he will be a fantastic leader. Considering that he already knows the president of Pakistan and many other foreign leaders, gives him yards of advantage that Bush didn't have in 2000. ( Bush couldn't even name the Presidnet of Pakistan in an interview with Barbara Walters). I see NO similarities between him and Jimmy Carter (even though I see Carter as a kind and decent man) and I feel confident that Kerry will be able to "apologize" when he finds he has lead us down the wrong path. When a President takes us into war, then he better be able to give reasons other than, "...he was a bad man."

These things Tedd, are more important to me than a man saying, "Amurika, is doing great," when clearly we aren't. Social Security, something our generation will be drawing into in a few years, is in deep trouble, not to mention this extravagant deficit, which our children will have to worry about.

I respect your choice, but make sure you know, it WILL be a close election and many decisions aren't made until the week before that curtain is closed.

NOW, here's an email from him I got later:



Thanks for your response and your thoughts.

Having known some men who served with Kerry, and others who deal with him a regular basis today, I can not in good conscience vote for him.

We are in Iraq for good reasons, and they have been proven, but the media does not want to share them with you. Vladimir Putin himself last week stated Iraq had plans for terror strikes in the USA. That is reason enough to remove Saddam.

Brace yourself, this is World War III, and it is not going to be a short one., We better have a man at the throttle who can handle this, for If we lose this war, health care will not be an issue in the future, we will have no country..

God bless

Teddy
http://www.teddwebb.com
http://www.teddwebbdigitalphoto.com


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Geezze...these guys are spreading crap like this all over the place and they have a forum to do it with. "Having known some men who served with Kerry and deal with him on a regular basis..." WTF? Has anybody heard of this guy? I think he needs more clarity on this topic, but then am I beating a dead horse? Suggestions...

[Eric J in MN]

1. If Putin says it a year after Saddam's capture, it must be true (sarcasm)

nt

[Blue_Roses]

2. that was something else that

...what the hell is he talking about? Putin is giving us advice...:eyes: give me a break. I haven't heard this one. Where was this in the news.

[Zen Democrat]

8. Putin said it last week after the G-8 in Georgia. Remember ....

Bush and Pootie-Poot "looked into each other's eyes" and fell in love, I guess.

Actually, KGB Putin has probably figured out that Bush is so insecurely vain that with a little praise sprinkled at his feet he'll follow you anywhere. Watch out for "Putie-Poot" -- he's a cold-hearted dictator at heart (and that's what they see in each other's eyes).

[Blue_Roses]

10. I need to find the link to this...

When I respond to this guy I want to make sure I know what I'm talking about. I hadn't heard this one. I guess I just never put much "stock" into what Putin says...:eyes:

The level of stupidity or naivety in this country ceases to amaze me...:grr:

[merh]

21. Think about it, if there was any credence to the tall tale, don't you

think Faux would be beating us over the head with it? The story wasn't that much. Even * & Co. have not used the story to bolster their position on the AQ/SH connection and the war.

Here are some links.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/18/russia.warning/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-18-russia-us_x.htm

[Blue_Roses]

23. also found this link while trying to "vet" this guy's version

of "WWIII"

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5460304

this makes alot more sense and I'm going to email this guy back, but I want to make sure I have something to back up what I say and I think this helps:)

Goes to show the "half-stories" they try to propagate!

[not systems]

5. When the right wing is sighting the KGB for backup...

things have slide into the ditch.

[Jade Fox]

34. Yup. Pretty pathetic.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. WWIII

is not against terrorism but against liberals and the Constitution. These facists want to make this country a Christian Taliban-like dictatorship. (no offense to Christians on this board-I'm talking about the Falwell version of Christianity)

[Cleita]

6. Even the Opus Dei Catholic version would be very bad.

eom.

[AP]

4. Nazi.

That's how Nazis scared people into accepting Hitler.

I can see why Bush needs to compare Democrats to Hitler first. It's because the truth is that they're using a campaign of fear the same way Hitler did.

This is how the battle is going to play out this fall. Republicans are going to scream that that WWIII is on the horizon, and Democrats are going to have to convince people that for America to be safe an powerful, we need a Democracy and not a dictatorship -- we need to care that citizens need to be fed, educated, clothed, and wealthy. We don't need to give up everything we have to make the rich richer.

If America's going to be safe, we need to do what FDR did: make the working person wealthy and strong.

[Blue_Roses]

7. what is he talking about? "Putin

says Iraq was gonna hit the US." :eyes: OMG! They are spreading this crap. Did I miss something in LBN last week? I usually know when something like this has been said, but did I miss it somewhere:eyes:

I'm gonna respond, just not sure how I want to respond...yet...

[Terran]

9. There was such a story

Putin announced that Russian intelligence had informed the US about a year after 9/11 that they had evidence Hussein was planning attacks against the US. He claimed Bush was briefed directly. But of course, no evidence was brought forth to prove this. Moreover, one knows it to be bullshit simply because the US reaction amounted to "Huh? What?" If the CIA had received such information, Bush and Cheney would have invoked it a million times by now to justify the invasion.

[Blue_Roses]

12. why is this story just coming out now?

...:eyes:

[AP]

11. In your response, tell him that American won't be strong if we give

up all our wealth so that Bush can make his cronies wealthier, which seems to be his only strategy for dealing with terror. (Cite Clinton's statement on Fresh Air about them not allocating the money to check more containers at ports for biological and radioactive weapons because they don't want to fuck with the tax cuts, and don't stop there if you need evidence of how bush does little more than transfer economic power to a very few people at the top).

Then tell him that America was at it's greates risk of disappearing this century during WWII when we fought fascism abroad and at home. The thing that worked was to make American democracy strong -- to make sure as many American citizens were as wealthy, happy, and healthy as possible. In EVERY respect, that's how you have the strongest defense against foreign threats.

How do we pay for defense? We make citizens wealthier so they can create wealth and pay for government. How do come up with the best ideas for defense? We education a lot of people and ask them to share their ideas. How do we make sure we have as many people willing to fight as possible? Make sure they have poltical power and a government that works for them, so they have a reason to fight.

If you want to stop WWIII, a GREAT place to start is by giving people a health care system that works for most Americans, rather than onw that makes a few insurance company CEOs incredibly rich.

[AP]

14. Tell him they ran this war once before. Hitler vs FDR. Hitler believed

that concentrating power in the hands of a few, driving down labor rates, scaring people into accepting less was the way to win WWII. FDR believed that making democracy strong, and building up a middle class which loved democracy, didnt' want to lose it, and felt they had something at stake was the best way to fight WWII.

FDR was right. The US won.

To think Bush's strategy is the best for winning WWIII is delusional and absurd. It's following in the footsteps of Hitler.

[Blue_Roses]

16. well said! thanks

for all the input. :)

[Blue_Roses]

27. Here is my response...

thanks for the input:)

Hello Tedd

As someone who had two parents in WWII (mom was a nurse in the Pacific and dad was in Normandy, France) I know all too well what world wars do to economy and morale. As my parents put it, "no one should have to go to war unless absolutely necessary," and I don't think Iraq was "absolutely necessary." I have a deep and biding respect for this generation as they knew what poverty and war was really all about. They knew all too well that America was in great peril during WWII when we fought fascism. They also knew that in order for American democracy to be strong it was vital to make sure as many American citizens were "healthy, wealthy and wise" (no pun inteneded) in order to have a strong defense--which is the best possible defense against foreign threats. Hitler believed in concentrating power in the hands of a few, driving down labor rates and scaring people into accepting less was the way to win WWII. FDR believed that making democracy strong and building up a middle class, which loved democracy and didn't want to lose it, felt they had something at stake, therefore fighting to build up the democracy with healthcare, social security, which in turn aided the economy and built a strong America. FDR had it right and of course we know how Hitler had it --DEAD WRONG! My point to this is, a country has to be built on strong democracy where ALL are treated with the same fairness or it ruins the stakes of bleeding into a poverish authoritarian government. That leads me to Putin. I have read many articles--home and abroad--on the state of "affairs" in Russia and as the State Department so eloquently put it in this article:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5460304

they are puzzled as to why this is coming out now considering that Putin OPPOSED the Iraq war. And one other thing, since when did we start believing an ex-KGB with our intel? I think the State Department got it right on this one and they are not going on with this story.

I too, know some men who served with Kerry and they say he has impecible record. I know the group of guys you are talking about so say no more...it's a common case of "he says/she says," so I'll make my own judgement by those who have actually seen war and know what a political war instigates--more politics.

Last but not least, as much as we disagree on Iraq and our reasons for being there, I still STRONGLY support our troops. My parents taught me early in life (through their actions and not their words) that the respect we give our military is not only necessary, but mandatory. I don't fault them (except the idiots who did the torture in the prisons) for trying to "better" a cause they feel to be true. I do however feel we are spreading our military way too thin, not to mention the National Guard who are long overdue for a break. My heart goes out to them. I know a few who are fighting the "good fight" and I look to them with awe and deep respect. You are right on one thing, it will be a LONG occupation and now that we have opened the flood gates to more terror in the middle east, I do fear the repercussions here and to our fellow Americans abroad. FDR knew what war did to men and women and I respect his decision to keep us out of WWII until absolutely necessary. But as history has taught us many times...time will tell.

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I know he's gonna refute what I say with more propaganda, but I feel better:)

[Spazito]

30. Good response!

It will be interesting if he responds and what part of your e-mail he will choose to use for his reponse.

[AP]

31. Beautiful.

I love it.

Can't wait to see how he responds.

[AP]

33. I love this argument because it takes the WWIII argument head on

and turns it around back to a question of which direction we want power to flow.

And it very truthlfully sets out that we had this argument in America before and democracy and flowing power to the people was the winning argument. And in pointing out this truth it shows people the parallel between Bush and the Nazi party without calling him a Nazi.

[saracat]

35. WOW dverc243!

That is a wonderful and thoughtful response.This is probably far better than he deserves. I'm glad you got your links. We Duer's actually back up what we say with facts.Tedd and the other fundies could take lessons! Congratulations on a great job. It will be interesting to see if he responds.

[Blue_Roses]

37. thanks so much

for the help and support on this one:) This election is so important to me for many reasons and I just want to do Kerry right, 'cause with the rabid fundies after our guys all the time, we have to stand firm.

[Blue_Roses]

41. UPDATE: Here is his response to my email

Thanks for the dialogue. I have enjoyed your emails. I wish everyone I got was like this.

We can agree to disagree on the war, but I respect you very much and will always hear your take on issues.

God bless

Teddy

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And there you have it...all I got was a "thanks for the dialogue"...why do I feel this huge let-down? No argument, no confrontation wanting to dispute facts, just a simple "thanks" :shrug:

[saracat]

13. Why doesn't he question the fact

that putin reiterated , that even having given the "alleged" inel to the US, he was still against the Iraq invasion?

[Blue_Roses]

15. can you get me the link

fast? I'm gonna email him shortly and I want to make sure I can nail him with some serious facts.

[saracat]

17. Don't know.

It was from the week Reagen died I think. The war remark followed Putins confirmation of intel. It is also mentioned somewhere here on du. NPR and CNN had stories on it. You could google Putin!

[Blue_Roses]

18. thanks

I'll try that!:)

[Flubadubya]

19. Here's your link...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/18/russia.warning/

Ever use Google? That's how I found it. :)

[Blue_Roses]

25. sometimes I use google, but

did a search here at DU 'cause google doesn't always give a "fair" search into what I'm looking for. Just wanted to get as many links as possible and I think I have a few:) Will let you know if this guy responds.

[Spazito]

20. If you are going to respond to his e-mail, ask him this...

What proof did Putin offer in his statement? Why, when the reason for going to war was WMDs, is he okay with them not being found?

(My take on the guy is that he is a fundie, he WANTS a crusade, a reasoned, logical response by you will be sidelined and he will express sympathy for you because you "don't get it".

Re Putin: Here is a link that might be of use:

Russia "warning" on Saddam puzzles U.S
Fri 18 June, 2004 20:44

Putin's remarks on Friday looked certain to help U.S. President George W. Bush, but officials at the U.S. State Department expressed bafflement, saying they knew of no such information from Russia.




http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=532147§ion=news

[Blue_Roses]

24. got it and I'm gonna

use this link. I agree he's probably a fundie and sometimes it's just a pain in the ass to try and refute their propaganda 'cause they have an agenda--get Bush re-elected, but I wouldn't sleep well letting this one go.

[Mz Pip]

22. Uh, dude

what were the Iraqi's going to strike us with??? Their WMDs???

This may very well be WWIII and I for one prefers someone who is not asleep at the wheel in charge.

Suddenly Putin is now our best friend? When did that happen? Good grief we are now supposed to believe Russian intelligence?? Somehow they got it right when we got it wrong? I don't think so?

MzPip
:dem:

[acmavm]

26. Tell him the entire world hates bush* and knows that he can't be trusted.

Then ask the fruitcake if he thinks we can win his WWIII alone.

[Blue_Roses]

29. I responded to him--read post 27

and I wait upon his new propaganda. Next email I send will probably need to have a few "fruitcake" words in it:evilgrin: considering most fundies don't like to be told the truth.:)

[maggrwaggr]

28. typical paranoid schizophrenic reasoning

only they know the truth, the media is lying to you and not telling you what needs to be told, there are bad people out to kill you.

These people are basically insane.

[area51]

32. interesting turn of phrase

Teddy said:

"pull the trigger".

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

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[dbt]

38. Good reasons? And "the media does not want to share them with you?"

Now, Fochs would be part of that "Media," would it not? So why does Fochs not share those good reasons to be in Iraq?

:evilgrin:
dbt

[Sugarbleus]

39. Area51 & Dbt...good catch...those are some

interesting buzz words yes?

Pull the trigger
the media does not want to share them with you

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, sounds rather apocolyptic to me. Yikes!

[DavidFL]

40. Ack! Ted Webb?!

Save your time and your sanity because there's no point in even arguing with this buffoon. This whore has a pimp and its name is Clear Channel. He's their morning show neocon propagandist whore here in Tampa, on a station which broadcasts Rush, Glen Beck, et al. and their daily tributes to Dear Leader. Webb's schtick is playing the "straight-talking", "loveable", yet crotchety grandfather-type, but its just a facade to soften his far-right screeching. But, like any whore, I'm sure if you responded to his e-mail with an offer to pay him more than what he's getting on his CC contract, he'd tell you anything you wanted to hear.

[Blue_Roses]

42. finally, someone

who can tell me who this guy is...he and I have exchanged some dialogue in the last 24 hours:)