I don't vote because both parties are the same!

[Liberal Veteran]

Not only have heard that, I have heard that on DU.

I just want to say to that: Bull!

Does anyone really think that President Gore would have placed this country in the place it's in right now?

It's entirely possible with a leader who didn't try to be the anti-thesis of Clinton, the New York skyline would look the same as it did on 9/10.

3000 people who died on 9/11 might not be dead.

We wouldn't be pumping nearly the amount of money into the military industrial complex and mortgaging our children's future to invade countries in order to benefit an elite few.

15000 Iraqi civilians would have not have died due to bombs labled United States Military.

850 servicemen would still be alive and with their families.

The Patriot Act would have probably not been passed.

We wouldn't have a president spearheading a constitutional amendment to make gay people second class citizens.

The wall of separation between church and state would be more intact.

We wouldn't have a fascist for AG.

We wouldn't have tens of thousands of people in Europe protesting the arrival of our president.

I could go on all day.

Don't ever try to pass off your lame ass excuse for not voting with me, because it won't fly anymore.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Dem party is slightly better but

still not my ideal. If the bulk of it was made up of Dennis Kuciniches, then I'd say otherwise.

So, no things would not be as bad as they are now if Gore had taken office. Not by any stretch of the imagination. But would they have been much better than Clinton was in office? Probably not.

And before you leap to the Big Dog's defense, please remember things weren't as peachy under him as we would like to think:



Source: Michael Moore's STUPID WHITE MEN


Bill C.:


Allowed federal funds to be given to faith-based charities.

Upped the number of crimes that can be punishable by the death penalty and would not declare support for a moratorium on the death penalty, depsite having knowledge that there are many innocent people in line for the needle. Also he supported the 3 strikes law, even if people just committed three minor crimes like shopilifting gum.

Was against same-sex marriages.

Knocked ten million people off of welfare who had nowhere else to turn. (And offered states extra money if they too reduced the welfare rolls, but did not require that these folks have some sort of job or alternative income source.)

Was not supportive of pregnant teens who needed help.

Pursued most of Newt Gingrich's Contract for America. (Lowering the capital gains tax, for one.)

He dropped the ball on making sure everyone has health insurance, including illegal immigrants.

Made certain no American funds would help women in other countries secure an abortion if they need one.

Wouldn’t sign the land mine ban treaty.

Screwed up the Kyoto treaty so that it wouldn’t do much to reduce carbon dioxide in our air, then refused to sign it til the last day of his term (Knowing full well $hrub would nullify that anyway.)

Drilled for more oil on federal lands than even Ronnie Reagan, privatized a major California oil field, and failed to get auto manufacturers to improve the mpg of their cars.

Allowed for deregulation that has dismantled our checks and balances in our business sector. Enron, anyone??

[Liberal Veteran]

2. Change generally comes piecemeal to America friend.

If you are looking for a magic bullet and expect instant gratification, it ain't gonna happen.

And expecting me to defend Clinton is ludicrous. Clinton was decent president, but he was hardly liberal.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Of course I'm not looking for a magic bullet. But I have no qualms

about standing up and looking at our system and saying, "We could do better." Don't mind trying to do something about it too, which is why I have a website about election reform.

[Liberal Veteran]

Then you are not the person I am trying to reach ....:)

I'm trying to reach the people who act like Veruca Salt and throw a tantrum that their candidate isn't 100% behind what they want and instead of compromising, decides they will just take their ball and go home.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Well I'll tell you. It can be tempting to say that. And sometimes it

is effective. But I feel that election 2000 brought a huge amount of attention to how screwed up our voting system is. I don't think we have to keep repeating it over and over.

My theory (and hope) is that people will work to get election reform in their municipalities. Personally, I'd love to see my little town switch to Borda or condorcet voting, but I think they (and the rest of the election officials of the state) are already freaked out about the possibility of IRV, which is less time consuming. :eyes:

[Tosca]

6. You are not living in the real world.

Wake up.

If you don't you are as much my enemy as the right-wing Repubs, because in essence, you are supporting them. You need to get a grip.

[H2O Man]

3. And more ....

Anyone who still believes that there is "little or no difference" between the parties needs to read "Bushwhacked," by Molly Ivins. She covers some of the differences in environmental and food safety, both issues that effect the public daily. While I would encourage anyone to read this wonderful book, I would strongly recommend it to anyone who believes there are no differences between bush and Kerry.

[FascistAdder]

10. There are differences...

The democrats when they had their major reigns were generally fairer witht the lower income brackets, but they still lied on occasion and conducted illegal activities within the confines of the government agencies. Then their is the republicans, things went to hell when the reagan's ascended with this cabal of appointees, FBI, and CIA guys that they have working behind the scene. In both Clinton and Carter administrations the big wigs in the various agencies that were buddies with the republican elites were all working to undermine the progress. Falsifying reports to congress, launching retaliation investigations on whistle blowers, reports on corrupt contractors mysteriously dissappearing, Threatening whistleblowers, etc.

The major difference between the two is that when dems were in they were in fact more leniant and at least pretended to have some shame about their lies. The republicans on the other hand would not even bother to cover it up, or conduct things in secret, they were so stupid and arrogant.

[H2O Man]

11. The differences become

more focused on the lower levels. If you live in a small community, you are able to see distinct differences between the "local" democratic and republican parties. One of our problems on the national level is that we do not use the local/grass-roots as the foundation of our party ...... it's much like a house -- you need a strong foundation for a strong structure. The democratic party has become top-heavy.(The republican party does, in fact, have a strong foundation. Give the devils their due ... if you go to the small communities across the country, you find republicans own and control the resources.)

[southernleftylady]

5. To quote mae west...

Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.
Mae West, Klondike Annie (1936 film)

[displacedtexan]

8. I'm a (big picture) single issue voter...

I don't want to be (never wanted to be) at the mercy of
The Supreme W. Court!

[NuttyFluffers]

9. "journey of 1000 steps begins with the first."

i always wondered how such liberal and supposedly open-minded people can forget that pearl of wisdom.

i agree, i never understood the "they're just not progressive enough for me to vote for" argument against democrats. our system leaves you with little choice, and until you take the first step you cannot take the 20th or the 100th to get to a point where we achieve a far better system. very simple. incomprehensible that some refuse to understand.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. That's why I feel lucky to live in Maine

We have voluntary clean elections, which means we have fewer big money interests that have a strangle-hold on our legislature.

[Senior citizen]

13. I vote, even though both parties are almost the same.

My major concern right now is getting * out and electing Kerry, so I'm a registered Democrat.

Should the chimp get re(s)elected, I just might shoot myself--and I might consider taking some pukes with me. (Just kidding, but I certainly can't take another 4 years of fascist war profiteers running the country.)

Should Kerry get elected, I intend to switch my voter registration back to Green immediately, as a way of notifying the DNC and the DLC that I'm not going to stand for business as usual anymore, and that if they don't start acting like responsible citizens instead of corporate pawns, they'll never get another vote from me again.

I think I'll send them a copy of my new voter card, along with receipts from my Kerry donations, to help them understand.