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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:14 PM
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Poll question: F9/11 is/is not Propaganda?
Not trying to incite flames or give RWers ammo, but I am very curious to the views of DUers on this topic.

From Merriam-Webster Online:

pro·pa·gan·da
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Congregatio de propaganda fide Congregation for propagating the faith, organization established by Pope Gregory XV died 1623
1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect
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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:15 PM
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1. He has said it is propaganda I believe
he admitted to having an agenda when filming it. I would say that makes it propaganda.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:16 PM
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2. Absolutely not.
Propoganda is an active sort of marketing. It is pushed in front of people's faces, and doesn't cost $11 per ticket to see in the movie theaters.

Propoganda is about repetitive images. I'd call Coke and Budweiser ads propoganda, myself.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:17 PM
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3. It Is Primarily ART
propaganda is too limited a word to be definitive.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:19 PM
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4. It's a response to propaganda
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 02:25 PM by Monica_L
So maybe it could be described as counter-propaganda.

Or maybe it could be described as the parts we aren't
permitted by the corporate-owned media to hear.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:22 PM
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5. There's a better question to ask.
Namely, whether Faux News, CNN, "Meet the Press," Limbaugh, "HANNITY and (colmes)," O'Reilly and "This Week with George Stuffitupyour***" are propaganda. And if they are, why are they claimed not to be?

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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:26 PM
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7. I agree with this, esp. in the case of Faux and the "talk shows".
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:26 PM
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6. from the ChiTrib
Indeed, as the late media guru Marshall McLuhan once said, propaganda ends where dialogue begins. Michael Moore's documentaries like "Roger & Me" and "Bowling for Columbine" are hits precisely because they are not objective. A lot of conservative radio talk-show hosts could say the same. Like the radio talkers, Moore's movies are the big-screen version of what op-ed columnists or editorial cartoonists do in newspapers.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:32 PM
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8. I think it's pretty obviously #2....but so what?
People still have to choose to see it. Nobody is forcing asses into seats.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 02:37 PM
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9. F911 is not propaganda, it is a documentary.
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 02:42 PM by anarchy1999
doc·u·men·ta·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dky-mnt-r)
adj.

Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.

n. pl. doc·u·men·ta·ries

A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=documentary


documentary film
Encyclopædia Britannica Article

motion picture that shapes and interprets factual material for purposes of education or entertainment. Documentaries have been made in one form or another in nearly every country and have contributed significantly to the development of realism in films. John Grierson, a Scottish educator who had studied mass communication in the United States, adapted…

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=31263&tocid=0&query=documentary&ct=
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