Face it, impeachment won't happen..

[MaverickX]

There's no way to prove Bush intentionally misled Congress as opposed to just choosing to believe whichever intelligence reports told him what he wanted to hear. Also there really aren't enough votes to impeach.

[markbark]

1. There weren't enought votes in '98 either

Didn't stop anyone....

[MaverickX]

3. yes there were...

The GOP controlled both Houses.

[diplomats]

2. John Dean himself said

that with the GOP controlling Congress it won't happen. However, that doesn't it can't damage Bush. After all, his supposed honesty is his biggest asset.

[Cocoa]

4. it's not about impeachment

It's about 2004.

It's also about Congress's constitutional duty to exercise oversight of the president.

[RobertSeattle]

5. Agreed

Tom Delay would probably bring a personal shotgun onto the House Floor to stop a vote on impeachment.

It's about 2004. The Democrat candidate can destroy Bush by promising that he'll be honest with the American people regarding intelligence and will never misuse the US Military like Bush has done.

[trof]

6. Aw c'mon.

Yer rainin all over my parade.
;-)

[TreasonousBastard]

Aside from a Republican House...

impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. The few Presidential impeachments we've had in our history arose from a repugnance of the person, not the deeds.

There has to be a critical mass of hatred for the incumbant that congresscritters can feed off of before they seriously think of impeachment. Andrew Johnson was hated for Reconstruction, and both Nixon and Clinton were hated just for being themselves. There was at least one other impeachment vote in the House, but I can't remember it offhand, and it didn't pass anyway.

As much as we may loathe the current President-like object, there is not the organized critical mass of loathing that tried to bring down Nixon and Clinton.

That could change, of course, but not with the wimpy Democratic "leadership" we now have.

[blondeatlast]

11. "current President-like object"

Mind if I use that, too?

[TreasonousBastard]

14. No problem...

(since I stole it from someone else anyway)

[blondeatlast]

7. I, too, am doubtful, BUT . . . the goal is to RESCUE the promise

of the United States of America. We can at least expose the lies and chicanery that are still killing our neglected men and women in Iraq and innocent Iraqis.

Just because getting to an impeachment hearing is unlikely, we must press for an in-depth investigation. So what if it is purely for politics--so were the Clinton impeachment hearings.

A national election is imminent, not just for the Presidency, but for the legislature as well. Whatever happens, the goal is to remove **** as POTUS and take back both houses of Congress.

[TNOE]

8. Don't bet on it....

First of all - Impeachment MUST happen if we want to ever uphold democracy. With the stolen election, black box voting scandal, energy papers, lies told to GO TO WAR, and with the 9/11 report coming out which is quoted to be 'EXPLOSIVE' - don't count it out. Not all Republicans are freepers - some really do (hopefully) value the Constitution and hate Bush*. And let's not forget the economy being in the tank.

But it does HAVE to happen before the 2004 election or we will see our most popular presidential candidates die in more small plane crashes, etc. and probably more blatant unusual "coincidences" than we could even imagine.

It is up to us to keep the pressure on by writing, calling and then taking to the streets in large numbers. If the truth about 9/11 comes out - NO ONE will be able to save *, no one.

[BiggJawn]

15. You left out ONE missing key ingredient needed for Impeachment...

Penis Erectus.

Lies to the Murkan Sheeple? Thousands killed for "The Revenge of Poppy"? Oil? Eh, who cares! If it doesn't involve a cum-stained dress, it won't fly....

Since the Pretzeldental Equipment doesn't work, there's no hope of THAT happening...

[TNOE]

16. I can understand the dismay

BUT I can't STAND IT!!! The tide is turning, we've come along way - let's not all piss in our Wheaties when the game is just begining for the rest of the world. Granted, we've know this shit for a long time, thus the frustration, but the masses of America haven't. They only know what the media tells them.

IT AINT' OVER TILL ITS OVER - and It is just beginning!!!! We must think more positively and strive towards those ends. I am a believer in that good will always prevail - but only if we work towards those ends. We put enough pressure on and wake up the masses, it can happen.

[WhataBildeberger]

21. NOT SO! There's TONS of prurient interest, here

HE FUCKED THE SHEEPLE! Even Santorectum can't stand behind him, now.

[Stuckinthebush]

9. Right...it won't happen

Or more acurately, the odds of it happening are very very slim.

However, the continued specter of impeachment serves our purposes as well. As long as the drumbeat of Impeachment is heard throughout Bush's presidency, it may have the effect of bringing doubt into the minds of the fence sitters come the next election.

[blue america]

10. If Impeachment Happens, I'll eat Tucker's shoes

No way, no how, don't get ahead of yourselves. Now, I'd LOVE nothing more to see it, but let's face it. A catastrophic chain of events would have to take place, we'd need, a legitmate smoking gun, pointing DIRECTLY at the President, and Enough public outcry to force enough House Republicans to abandon the party, and it would absolutely have to start in the next few months. It's not happening, it'a pipe dream.

[blondeatlast]

13. "Enough public outcry " is all we need--the impeachment is a secondary

goal. The first goal is the election, pure and simple.

[iH8repukes]

17. Don't hold your breath waiting for public outcry.

The only people I know who give a shit about the Niger story are die-hard dems. Moderates seem to think that Bush's intelligence people let him down. And that it's not the first time in history that a president received imperfect British intelligence. But, good luck trying to get the public aroused about it anyway. Impeachment? Your are kidding right? With this Congress? Have a nice nap in fantasyland.

I would hope that our candidates get the country excited about something that CAN BE PROVEN and that is the health insurance crisis in this country. That will separate us from the repukes. In my opinion, Bush is going to win a landslide unless we dems nominate a candidate that makes them believe that THEIR OWN lives will be better for having voted democrat.

[ilpostino]

12. Mass Distraction

Impeachment is a turn-off for that vast middle majority that must be persuaded to vote this guy out in November 2004 (and no I don't have data to back that up, just this sense of the country I've lived in for a good long time--most people basically hate politics, which is why they choose to accept so much on face value--they really don't want to be bothered). Any effort that goes into pushing impeachment is better spent prepping for the serious, hard work of winning that election. Leave the bomb throwing to the no-way-in-hell candidates.

[blue america]

18. There's a lot of truth in that

Clinton's approval ratings soared during Impeachment. And putting politics aside for a second, it would greatly weaken the Office by having 2 conseutive presidents impeached. For starters, it's never gonna happen, and furthermore, as a first term President, the Consitution gives us the power to remove him from office the old fashioned way.

Regardless of history though, if there is overwhelming proof of "high crimes and misdemeanors", I think the proceedings should take place. But alas, he'd have to personally assasinate Jerry Falwell live on FOX News to get the GOP to turn on him.

[TLM]

19. Bush would pull a Nixon.

He'd resign, then Dick would pardon him.

[Historynut]

20. I agree

How can anyone ever prove the pres intentionally lied for all we know it was an intel mistake which i am inclined to believe as our intelligence agencies seem to be Fubar at the moment and so what the CINC was saying is what he blieved to be the truth. However i still think that if the press continues to run with this and the Dems do as well it will be the end of this administration. And of course this is a case where its gonna be easy for the administration to cover their butts and say exactly that they thought the info to be good and had no reason to question it.

[HereSince1628]

22. Well, you and the DLC can throw in the towel, but this could be '04

Impeachment may not happen, but bad judgement certainly is an issue, particularly when it leads the US and is coalition partners to war.

The Son Of Barbara isn't going to escape the examination of history, I expect his score will not be better than his undergrad exams...

With respect to Impeachment, the votes need to be won over. If there IS a case to be made it will take convincing a handful of republicans to go along with the dems to make it reality.

[MaverickX]

23. give me a break..

Calling for impeachment without even an investigation would be political suicide. I love how you far lefties accuse everyone of "throwing in the towel." Dems in the Senate don't oppose an investigation into Nigergate. You cannot impeach without an investigation though.

[jiacinto]

24. You make a good point

But you can't convince some of the extremists here.