DLC leader supports Vilsack as Kerry's running mate

[Cascadian]

We'll I suppose Vilsack is going to get the nod now. Vilsack is too much of a centrist. I am already seeing 2000 reruns already. I cannot stand the DLC! I really can't! They are destroying the Democratic Party and if Kerry loses, this will be the proof of that. :eyes:

http://www.wqad.com/Global/story.asp?S=1937018


John

[freetobegay]

1. People give the DLC way to much credit.

:eyes:

If we lose it won't be because of the DLC.

[Guaranteed]

18. Sure it will.

They're why we've lost seats in Congress in the past five elections. No leadership ability- no desire to lead us in any particular direction, really.

[freetobegay]

23. Just a point of order here.

They are not the DNC. Please put the blame where the blame belongs.

[Cheswick2.0]

26. that's not a point of order

That is an obvious but meaningless fact.

[Cheswick2.0]

25. nonsense

They are a very powerful group and they have convinced politicians to act in certain spineless repuke lite ways that have lost us election after election.

[Rowdyboy]

2. I'm sure Kerry will give From's opinion just as much weight

as he gives Nader's (for Edwards) or the AFLCIO's (Gephart). Basically, none. No one knows what he'll do, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on any of the "final" candidates.

Vilsack, Edwards, Gephart, Clark, Richardson, Graham, Nelson and the others all have one thing in common: They are all one helluva lot better that Dickless Cheney.

[Cascadian]

5. If he picks Vilsack or Gephardt, he might as well pick Lieberman.

:eyes:


John

[Gman]

8. That's a crock

You don't know much about Gephardt, do you? If Gephardt gets the VP nod and he and Kerry win, working people will have a voice in the WH the likes of which hasn't been seen in this country since FDR.

Jeez, some people.

[stickdog]

20. Gephardt kamikazied Dean at the DLC's behest.

This is the payoff.

[Cheswick2.0]

27. Yup and so did Vilsack

They are both being paid back. It is going to depend on which can be convinced to take another position.

[David Dunham]

3. Bush'll slam Vilsack as the biggest tax raiser in IA ever. It's true, too.

[DU9598]

6. Not true

Vilsack has actually cut taxes in Iowa. He has been very fiscally conservative. On what do you base your allegation?

I am not a Vilsack supporter. I would not vote for him as Governor again. I worked my heart out for this guy in the last election and he has sold out to big business 100%.

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Who the hell is Vilsack??????

I wish he would just pick someone and stop all this speculation.

[wyldwolf]

7. ..and if Kerry wins?

Then you'll say the DLC had nothing to do with it?

...and reruns of 2000?

[stavka]

9. ...I just vote Nader then (I'm in a pretty Blue State)

I'm pretty sick of the DLC too...they exploit groups they feel they can count on. Like Fire Fighters....

[DaveSZ]

10. The DLC's true agenda is to undo the New Deal:

http://www.isreview.org/issues/13/clinton-gore.shtml


Undoing the New Deal

Of all the Clinton-Gore administration’s actions over the course of its eight years, none will have a more far-reaching–and destructive–impact than Clinton’s signing of the 1996 welfare repeal bill. Peter Edelman, a Health and Human Services official who resigned in protest, called the bill "the worst thing Bill Clinton has done." The welfare repeal bill represented one 1992 election promise Clinton didn’t break. Pledging to "end welfare as we know it" during the campaign, Clinton opened to door to the reactionary legislation he signed in 1996. Welfare repeal ended the 61-year-old guarantee of some income for the poorest Americans. It eliminated federal standards for welfare benefits. It imposed a five-year lifetime limit and a two-year continuous limit on benefits. It barred immigrants from receiving welfare and cut $24 billion from the federal food-stamp program. It marked the first time that a piece of the 1935 Social Security Act was repealed.

Clinton’s own Health and Human Services Department estimated that the bill would throw at least 1.1 million children into poverty. Other experts produced estimates three times higher. Despite these terrible consequences, Clinton received very little organized opposition to welfare repeal. Edelman conceded that:

so many of those who would have shouted their opposition from the rooftops if a Republican president had done this were boxed in by their desire to see the president re-elected and in some cases by their own votes for the bill.13

Clinton didn’t sign the bill because a Republican Congress forced him to. With no chance of losing to Sen. Robert Dole in the 1996 elections, he didn’t even have the excuse of political expediency. He signed it because he supported it. "Welfare reform" had always topped the New Democrat agenda.

[wyldwolf]

editorial from a socialist website

:eyes:

[AntiCoup2K4]

16. The source of the editorial is irrelevant when From & Marshall ......

....have admitted exactly that. In a January 1995 article, those 2 traitorous shitbags called the GOP theft of Congress a "liberation" that would "save" the Democratic party from FDR's New Deal.

[wyldwolf]

22. traitorous? Ann Coulter reader?

the Democrats ate barbecue served on paper plates. In keeping with this fake populism, organizers encouraged all who attended to wear blue jeans :eyes:

At political fundraisers I attend, we often eat cheap and encourage people to dress comfortably. I guess that is fake populism.

This "traitorous" editorial written by socialist "shitbags" even quotes Christopher Hitchens to try to make his point.

Interesting that this "traitorous" editorial written by socialist "shitbags" didn't quote the part of the article you refer to that says "The DLC's true agenda is to undo the New Deal."

Would have driven their "point" home.

[madfloridian]

11. Is that the Al From who says he gave Kerry 15 million?

http://www.bangornews.com/editorialnews/article.cfm?ID=424721
Scroll down.
SNIP..."Many see this situation as the root cause of terrorism around the world. They would like to see Bush go next January in the hope that the next president would finally curtail this Mideast cancer.

At first, I hoped that Howard Dean would replace him. But, once Dean said that he would be more evenhanded with the Mideast problems, his campaign crumbled.

Then, I thought perhaps Sen. John Kerry might be a better candidate than Bush. However, in a recent television program with Al From of the New Democratic Network, Sen. Joe Lieberman and Simon Rosenberg, From stated that he had given Kerry $15 million for his campaign.

From said that they had talked with Kerry and he had agreed with them on many of the "issues." It was obvious that the issues were Israel and Palestine. So, there goes any hope of changes in U.S. policies regarding the Israeli problem in the near future......"

This is an op ed, but is it true From and the DLC gave him 15 million?

[AlCzervik]

12. I'd be happy with

Edwards as VP and Clarke as Secretary of Defense. I like Gephardt but he's very bland and Vlisack isn't widely known. thats what i'd like but I really have faith that Kerry will pick the right person, he's come to far not to and he knows that we have to take back the WH, lives are depending on it.

[DaveSZ]

13. I find it laughable that Clinton always talked about protecting SS

What a liar.

My respect for the man grows weaker the more the truth of his selling out to corporate interests come to light.


Real Democrats who stood up for working men and women, and the poor:

FDR
Truman
Kennedy
LBJ
Carter

Kerry(?)

We'll see about Kerry. I think his heart is in the right place.

[hansolsen]

14. The war for the soul of the Democratic Party is still on.

The DLC is as bad for the Democratic Party as the Christian Right is for the Republican Party. When Kerry beats Bush in November the next and more important long term battle will be to keep the DLC from owning President Kerry.

[Cascadian]

15. KICK

[KoKo]

17. Pitt's hinting strongly that it's Gephardt. He's got connections, so he

might have "the word" on this.

Kerry/Vilsack doesn't sound right. I think of Vlasic pickles when I hear Vilsack's name. Kerry doesn't need a pickle sounding VP...he's somber enough on his own.

Not dissing Vilsack here, btw. Just talking about Name Recognition and how it can come across in combination with the Presidential Candidate on a button or sign.

[stickdog]

19. ABVG = Anybody But Vilsack & Gephardt (nt)

[DaveSZ]

21. .

I agree that the DLC is bad for the Dem party.

The corporations have already taken over the GOP, and now they want complete control over both parties.

These are the types of people we're dealing with:

http://mirrors.korpios.org/resurgent/Coup.htm

[skippysmom]

24. I don't think Vilsack is a good choice

Nobody knows who he is. Kerry should pick one of the others who ran for the nomination...though not Lieberman.