CNN: Michael Moore on Howard Dean ... "He's a good guy"

[mzmolly]

"BLITZER: I also noticed in the article that you wrote, you -- explaining why you like Wesley Clark so much, you said this, "He is clearly not from Park Avenue." Well, we all know Howard Dean was born on Park Avenue. Was that a swipe at Howard Dean? What do you have against Howard Dean?

MOORE: Nothing

It was more what I have against Park Avenue. It was not meant to be a swipe at Dean. Look, I think Dean's a good guy.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/15/cnna.moore/

Tit for Tat ...

So Mr. Moore, what to believe? :freak: ;)

EDITED TO ADD: THIS POST IS FREE OF DESPERATION AND/OR HOSTILITY! :P

[mzmolly]

1. Kick'n it on up !

:kick:

[Cheswick2.0]

2. he's a prick, he's a good guy

I'm so confused!!

[mzmolly]

5. Yeah, but he's a good prick.

:P

[FDRrocks]

6. Maybe he can be both...

everyone has thier different sides.

[mzmolly]

26. Exactly, ... all or nothing thinking is for the right wing!

:hi:

[Dr.Phool]

3. Funny

I was a total Howard Dean supporter, but I'm about half-way through "Dude, where's my country", and Moore says that Dean was a complete prick.

[mzmolly]

7. Details?

:shrug:

[stickdog]

12. Really? Could you quote the passage?

[JI7]

4. has Dean ever said anything about Moore ?

does anyone know if dean ever said anything about moore ? whether it was postive or negative ?

[No2W2004]

8. A bit more context...

BLITZER: I also noticed in the article that you wrote, you -- explaining why you like Wesley Clark so much, you said this, "He is clearly not from Park Avenue." Well, we all know Howard Dean was born on Park Avenue. Was that a swipe at Howard Dean? What do you have against Howard Dean?

MOORE: Nothing.

It was more what I have against Park Avenue. It was not meant to be a swipe at Dean. Look, I think Dean's a good guy. What's really been decent about Wesley Clark is that he's not participated in this kind of mud-slinging that the other candidates have. And I think I'd like to participate in that tone and not throw mud at Dean and not bring up things that I think -- look, you could say so many things about any of the candidates, how -- positions they've taken that I don't like or haven't liked in the past, how they've changed their minds, things they've been involved in. When I hear Dean say that he won't cut a dime out of the Pentagon budget, that's inexcusable. But I also believe he's the kind of person you could possibly move along some day to a better position. So...

Later....Moore coments about Joe Lieberman;

BLITZER: I assume if Lieberman for some reason were to get the nomination, you would support him, though, over Bush, is that right?

MOORE: It would take a lot of medication, Wolf.

BLITZER: What do you have against Joe Lieberman?

MOORE: Well, he's running in the wrong party. Lieberman is kind of like a liberal to moderate Republican. You know, he's Bush-light. And God bless him, but he just doesn't really belong in this party.

BLITZER: All right, Michael Moore explaining why he likes Wesley Clark so much. Thanks for joining us.

[WilliamPitt]

9. No context! Moore is eeeevil!

How dare he not praise Dean to the standards required by DU! How dare he prefer another candidate!?!

That's it. I'm boycotting Farenheit 9/11.

Or something.

[mzmolly]

13. I haven't a problem with Moore supporting Clark, or even saying

he thought Dean a bit of a prick.

People with strong opinions who dont *suck up* are thought prickish at times ;) So be it.

[LTR]

15. Then why this thread?

:shrug:

Somebody needs to lighten up a little.

[mzmolly]

18. To lighten things up ...

That's why.

Putting things in context is all ;)

[WilliamPitt]

19. Which context, exactly?

[mzmolly]

23. In the context of 'The Big Picture'

MMMK?

Would you rather see divisive threads about Moore vs. Dean - or discussions about who's a 'bigger' prick?

I am a fan of Michael Moore's films/books, and a supporter of Howard Dean and his political movement. Nothing has changed for me.

[LTR]

22. This thread has a desperate, kinda hostile tone

And the article is six months old.

:eyes:

[mzmolly]

24. Really? Shit, I was trying to lighten things up. Why on earth would I be

desperate or hostile because MM thinks Dean is a prick?

I couldn't care less. Sorry, if you took my thread to be either desperate or hostile? :hug:

Didn't you notice my little winking dude? ;) = Not desperate, nor hostile.

[madfloridian]

29. Well, you got what you said you wanted.

Your post and this one are staying up.

[madfloridian]

25. Maybe because of your thread with the pointed subject line.

Moore has a right to say what he wishes. You said you chose the subject line so your post would not drop. And it did not.

[mzmolly]

28. That's right. It sure didn't *drop*

LOL ;)

[madfloridian]

27. I wish you had not posted that.

I did not see much criticism of Moore about this.

[mzmolly]

30. Don't you know ... Dean supporters are not rational. We demand

everyone swoon over Dean!

I wish people would read the posts ey? Ya know what they say about *assuming* :P

S'alright, I'm still a fan of Pitt, Moore and Dean (for various reasons).

Though ... some of the afore mentioned can be a disapointment at times ;)

[mzmolly]

17. And thar ya have it! My guess is Michael Moore said the *offensive*

comment with a chuckle.

I doubt Dr. Dean will lose any sleep. He's been called worse.

[mzmolly]

10. More from Moore on Dean ...

Tuesday, January 20th, 2004
Dean Supporters, Don't Give Up ... from Michael Moore

This morning I picked up the newspaper and read this quote from a young woman who had worked as a volunteer for Howard Dean in Iowa:

"All the phone-calling we did, we'd have people who’d say, 'I'm a Dean supporter, I’m a Dean supporter,’" said Kelly Chambers, Dr. Dean's captain in Precinct No. 83. "But when it came to caucus night, we only had 11 people show up for Dean. It just seems like all my hard work's been for nothing."

I was crushed when I read this. Her despair, her sense of "what's the use?" was something I'm sure many Dean supporters are feeling today. I can see, just from surfing the web, the debilitating affect the landslide loss in Iowa had on so many people who had placed so much hope in the man who created a grassroots revolution and was unrelenting in his attacks on Bush and on the war. If having the most volunteers, the most money (all small contributions from average citizens), and the boldest message can't win an election, say Dean's followers, then we might as well just give up.

As one who does not support Dean, I would like to say this to you: DON'T GIVE UP. You have done an incredible thing. You inspired an entire nation to stand up to George W. Bush. Your impact on this election will be felt for years to come. Every bit of energy you put into Dr. Dean's candidacy was -- and is -- worth it. He took on Bush when others wouldn't. He put corporate America on notice that he is coming after them. And he called the Democrats out for what they truly are: a bunch of spineless, wishy-washy appeasers who have sold out the working people of America. Everyone in every campaign owes you and your candidate a huge debt of thanks.

Though I am backing Clark because I personally prefer his manner and his stands on everything from jailing polluters to taxing the rich (not to mention his electability), the worst thing that could happen now would be for the Dean revolution to come to an end. If you have backed or worked for Dean, you must understand the remarkable things you have done and what you have accomplished:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-01-20

[WilliamPitt]

11. See post 9!!

!!!!

[mzmolly]

31. I think you misunderstood *my* intent.

:) *tsk tsk*

[progressivebydesign]

14. Park Avenue? So what?

You know.. if Moore were as clever as he thinks he is, he'd have noticed that being born on Park Avenue is NOT an indicator of a person's worth, either way. Isn't that the same as being a racist or elitist? He judges people by what their parents had? Would it be okay for him to have an issue people born in Harlem?

Yes, Dean's family had money. His Dad earned the money.. he's not old money. AND.. MOST IMPORTANTLY (and something Moore misses) is that, unlike Bush, Dean didn't fall back on privelege. He went to work helping people, as a physician. He worked in the ER in neighborhoods worlds apart from Park Avenue. The work Howard Dean did to help people in those places, speaks volumes about who he really is. Howard and Judith live a simple life in Vermont. They are far from elitists. Why is it that Moore, of all people, can't see that? It's not what you have.. it's what you DO with what you have. Big difference.

I remember when I was dating, every time I'd date someone wealthy, people would tell me to find a "nice" guy instead. There's such a wierd bias amongst Democrats toward people with money. It's ridiculous.

[k in IA]

16. What did he say about Kerry? Was this more about his liking

candidates that were not born rich?

I always thought understanding the plight of working people was an important point with Moore but I haven't read his book and I didn't see the interview. If that was his main issue then he probably would have supported Edwards though.

Oh well, it doesn't seem like much of a slam. Wolfie is just trying to start some trouble.

[LTR]

20. He said he'll vote for Kerry...

...but won't endorse him. Yet.

According to the Playboy interview, he is wary of his support of the Patriot Act, among other things. But admired the stand he took in protesting the Vietnam War. He holds out hope that he will get some of that back.

[JI7]

21. he once said something about Kerry murdering people in Vietnam

he never supported Kerry . but it's probably better that way. i didn't think much of his comments about kerry. but i will still watch his movies though.