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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:03 PM
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EXPLOSIVE New Book ... Greatest foreign policy catastrophe in U.S. History
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/06/14/coup/index.html

A temporary coup

Author Thomas Powers says the White House's corruption of intelligence has caused the greatest foreign policy catastrophe in modern U.S. history -- and sparked a civil war with the nation's intel agencies.

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By Mark Follman


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The bitterest dispute, though not the only one, is between the CIA and the Pentagon, whose own secret intelligence unit, the Office of Special Plans, aggressively promoted the war on Iraq. While departing CIA Director George Tenet played along with the Bush administration -- a fact which Powers says reveals the urgent need for a truly independent intelligence chief -- much of the agency is enraged at the Pentagon, which put intense pressure on it to produce reports tailored to the policy goals of the Bush White House. The simmering tensions between the Pentagon, with its troika of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Feith, and rank and file CIA personnel boiled over in July 2003, when the White House trashed the career of veteran CIA operative Valerie Plame by leaking her identity. The move was a crude retaliation against Plame's husband, former U.S. ambassador Joseph Wilson, who had exposed the Bush administration's specious claim that Saddam had sought "yellowcake" from Africa to build a nuclear bomb.

The struggle between the CIA and the Defense Department reached a bizarre climax a few weeks ago when Ahmed Chalabi's office was very publicly ransacked by officers working under the command of the CIA; the Iraqi exile leader was later accused of leaking vital information to Iran, among other allegations. The abrupt fall from grace of the man hand-picked by neoconservative policymakers to lead post-Saddam Iraq, says Powers, lays bare the brutal turf war between the two sides.

"It reveals an extraordinary level of bitter combat between the CIA and the Pentagon. It's astonishing that the CIA actually oversaw a team of people who broke into Chalabi's headquarters -- which was paid for by the Pentagon -- and ransacked the place. The CIA single-handedly destroyed him."

The collapse of U.S. intelligence and the arrogance and extremism at the top of the Bush administration are also at the root of the torture scandal at Abu Ghraib prison, Powers says. With U.S. troops facing a mounting insurgency from an enemy they couldn't find, Powers believes Bush officials signed off on a systematic policy of hardcore interrogation in a frantic attempt to deal with the problem. He says that while it's unlikely Defense Secretary Rumsfeld gave specific orders as to what type of abuse should be meted out to the Iraqi prisoners, there is strong reason to believe Rumsfeld "issued blanket permission for them to turn up the heat."

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This was also covered by KsKiska here : .... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x56589

I hated to see it die in Editorials forum: this is a very probative view of the idiots-in-charge
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:14 PM
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1. There is little doubt in my mind that there is an "internal' war...
going on, the only thing I would say is that it is the CIA and the "field" military against the Pentagon (the OSP). The leaks are from both the CIA and the military, imo, and they are coordinated to bring down the bush admin, one by one if necessary. The bush admin crossed the line with the Plame outing and the legal maneuvering around the Geneva Conventions which were protection for US troops on the ground as well as for others.

If I were to bet the odds on who is going to win this, I would put my money on the CIA and the military.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:19 PM
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3. I would add ...
Some careerists at DoJ are ALSO exposing the DoJ memos that directly contradict their boss ...

We here already knew about the CIA/DoD battles, thanks to Pincus and Hersh ... but this document exposes the depth and range of the acrimony ...

HOW CAN the american people ALLOW this ? .. WAKE UP ! ...
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beachman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:28 AM
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that's pretty scary when you think about it
Both the CIA and Pentagon have a lot of dirt on their hands, more than Bush even. The idea that they can flout a president and influence elections is not a good development, even if it is Bush.

Think about it.

Take the MK-Ultra stuff where the CIA experimented on unsuspecting civilians for 2 decades. That spanned both democrat and republican administrations. The idea of giving them more power, and them trying to get even with a president, even Bush, is sort of scary.

What's going to happen if they disagree with a democratic politician?

Like Bobby Kennedy perhaps.

No, we want the truth to come out, and so some leaks may be OK, but we have to remember that the CIA and Pentagon are not exactly clean.
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beachman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:28 AM
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9. that's pretty scary when you think about it
Both the CIA and Pentagon have a lot of dirt on their hands, more than Bush even. The idea that they can flout a president and influence elections is not a good development, even if it is Bush.

Think about it.

Take the MK-Ultra stuff where the CIA experimented on unsuspecting civilians for 2 decades. That spanned both democrat and republican administrations. The idea of giving them more power, and them trying to get even with a president, even Bush, is sort of scary.

What's going to happen if they disagree with a democratic politician?

Like Bobby Kennedy perhaps.

No, we want the truth to come out, and so some leaks may be OK, but we have to remember that the CIA and Pentagon are not exactly clean.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:46 AM
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11. Dirt, Yes, But They're Americans First
You cite a CIA that was supposedly dealt with by the Church commission in 1975 and seemed to be working quite well (minus Aldrich Ames) for the next 25 years until this regime took power.

Yes, we have to be wary of both the CIA & the Pentagon, but in this situation, we're facing a regime that has abused a lot of the levers of power...from draining the treasury to war profiteering and more...this has to stop and this, I feel, is the motivation for those inside the agency who are leaking through Hirsh and others.

One way or another the CIA knows it's going to have some major revision coming down the road, it's just a matter of whose revising. If allowed, this regime would strip the CIA down to the barewalls now and turn everything over to Rummy and his boys. At worst, they'd try to run the "disenters" out of the agency and then rebuild it in their image. With Democrats, we'll look at what allowed the CIA to lose power and influence to the OSP and hopefully investigate other Rummy/Chenny operations...overt and covert. I get a feeling there's even more cloak & dagger inside this regime than even the CIA knows.

I am stupified at the hubris Rumsfeld & Chenney and the PNAC-NeoCons have been able to pull off. Imagine a 4 year run of this regime with all the major principals knowing they won't have to face the people again? Second terms are always bad, this one will be beyond abysmal.

We should keep a careful eye on all parts of our government, but let's realize there are many good people...especially in the lower ranks, who chose this work for a career, not an appointment...these are the people who were crapped on and are fighting back.

Cheers and welcome to DU
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beachman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:26 AM
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14. maybe you're right on one level, but...
"You cite a CIA that was supposedly dealt with by the Church commission in 1975 and seemed to be working quite well (minus Aldrich Ames) for the next 25 years until this regime took power."

I never heard of one person being punished for drugging and torturing innocent civilians, and doubt it even stopped. Mk-Ultra started in 1956, I believe.

The CIA had some covert aspects taken away, and maybe too much at different times, but black ops or similar to black ops like MK-Ultra, well, no one was ever held accountable, or heck, I don't even think people were fired.

So you have to wonder.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:15 PM
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2. wow......i have often wondered what behind the scenes political war
was going on. but to read about it is another thing. i wonder what we have to look forward to this summer.....
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:36 PM
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4. Expect a steady stream of revelations that will pound the WH and DoD ...
Over and over again ...

Death by 1000 cuts ...

THESE cuts are drawing serious blood now ...
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 11:56 PM
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5. Agree, it is strategic and unstoppable, imo
the coordination is impressive, the content is explosive, the desired end result is already on it's way to being fulfilled. Trust, once given, is a gift, trust, once betrayed, becomes an avenging "angel".
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:01 AM
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6. Well spoken ....
I think what REALLY galls the spooks: THEY get the blame for policy blunders even when they promoted an OPPOSING policy ...

BushCo denied CIA their rightful place as the agency of intelligence, supplanting them with political hacks, and then blamed the CIA when the hacks plans went awry ...

CIA is none too happy being a fall guy for policies THEY didnt promote ...

This is poetic justice: ...
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 02:12 AM
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16. Is this why Tenet and #2 stepped down?
Just to get out of the way of the firestorm and to let the career diplomats, CIA and all military loose? I'm still trying to figure this one out and there is no clear answer. It doesn't make sense in any direction.
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:21 AM
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7. Having powerful men and women from the military and intelligence
communities stepping forward and confronting this utterly corrupt and inept Administration is going to bring them down. These dedicated Americans are coming forth and risking much by doing so . We owe them our gratitude and support in their efforts. Bravo to all of them. ...Osvar
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:26 AM
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8. I agree, they are the true definition of patriots, imo
they will be owed the gratitude of the American people once this "battle" is won and I believe it will be won.
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:03 AM
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12. We will prevail, BUSHCO is on its way out .
Oscar
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 12:40 AM
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10. Indeed ...
Edited on Mon Jun-14-04 12:43 AM by Trajan
Many decent professionals had already sought the exits, either on their own or with guidance, and those who remain, and are now issuing these exposes' must be simply aghast by the dangerous incompetence and malfeasance being committed IN THEIR NAME ...

Honor DOES exist in DoD, CIA, State and DoJ .... deep in the echoing corridors: good men and women ponder what has landed on their own heads ... It only makes sense to toss the rotting corpse of the PNAC/OSP over the gunwales: if only to preserve the reputation of the institutions themselves, and thereby their own teetering honor ...
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:06 AM
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13. You have it right,and well stated.
...Oscar
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 01:58 AM
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15. Dems need to stand up and speak out!!!
It's the oath of Congress to protect and preserve the Constitution of the USA. Aren't Republicans also supposed to serve the American people first before their party?
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:41 AM
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17. A very similar oath is made by all members of the Armed Forces of the
United States. As best I recall we took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. Current or former members correct me if I am wrong. ...Oscar
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