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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:43 AM
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anti-war and war poetry favorites...
many of these poems are Public Domaine... so it's okay to post them...in their complete form.
This is one of my favorites:
(Along with the Turret Ball Gunner and that wilfred owen poem about the gas attack)

The Man He Killed
by Thomas Hardy

Had he and I but met
By some old ancient inn,
We should have set us down to wet
Right many a nipperkin!

But ranged as infantry,
And staring face to face,
I shot at him as he at me,
And killed him in his place.

I shot him dead because--
Because he was my foe,
Just so: my foe of course he was;
That's clear enough; although

He thought he'd 'list, perhaps,
Off-hand like--just as I--
Was out of work--had sold his traps--
No other reason why.

Yes; quaint and curious war is!
You shoot a fellow down
You'd treat, if met where any bar is,
Or help to half a crown.

two more great (not poems) stories about the ridiculous nature of killing any thing is George Orwell's "Shooting an Elephant" and Mark Twain's "War Prayer"
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:49 AM
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1. every Memorial Day
in the little town I grew up in they publish my dad's poem ...

rest my buddy
sleep in peace
let not your mind
hold idle pain
or fear of battle, or that you may have died in vain

no my buddy
sleep in peace
you were one of the best

you fought by my side buddy
through each rough and terrible strife
until at dusk one evening
a sniper's bullet took your life

I grabbed you buddy as you fell by my side
I cried when I knew you were dead
but we'll meet again in heaven
where no farewell tears are shed

there was more, but this is all that I remember at the moment.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:54 AM
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2. "Universal Soldier" by Buffy Sainte-Marie
With proper credit given, and all due respect:

UNIVERSAL SOLDIER
Buffy Sainte-Marie
© Caleb Music-ASCAP

I wrote "Universal Soldier" in the basement of The Purple Onion coffee house in Toronto in the early sixties. It's about individual responsibility for war and how the old feudal thinking kills us all. Donovan had a hit with it in 1965.

He's five feet two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17
He's been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an athiest, a Jain,
a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
and he knows he shouldn't kill
and he knows he always will
kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada,
he's fighting for France,
he's fighting for the USA,
and he's fighting for the Russians
and he's fighting for Japan,
and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy
and fighting for the Reds
He says it's for the peace of all
He's the one who must decide
who's to live and who's to die
and he never sees the writing on the walls

But without him how would Hitler have
condemned him at Dachau
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon to a war
and without him all this killing can't go on

He's the universal soldier and he
really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from him, and you, and me
and brothers can't you see
this is not the way we put an end to war.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:04 AM
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3. The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner
Edited on Sun May-30-04 09:04 AM by bryant69
From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

-- Randall Jarrell

On the other hand I don't like most poetry on war, either for or against, in general. Ther are exceptions, but in most cases, you can't really have much more than the most simplistic arguments in war poetry. (War is bad. Soldiers are Brave.).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

Edited to correct the title of the poem.
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:22 AM
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4. In Flanders Field
I had just finished watching "All Quite on the Western Front" on AMC this a.m. Makes this poem hit even harder.

In Flanders Fields

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.


We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.


Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

John McCrae


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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:35 AM
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5. Dulce et Decorum Est, by Wilfred Owen
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.

GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.*





*It is sweet and noble to die for one's country
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searchingforlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:57 AM
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6. How Long, Oh Lord - Robert Palmer
How Long, Oh Lord, how long before the flood
Of crimson-welling carnage shall abate?
From sodden plains in West and East the blood
Of kindly men streams up in mists of hate,
Polluting thy clean air: and nations great
In reputation of the arts that bind
The world with hopes of heaven, sink to the state
Of brute barbarians, whose ferocious mind
Gloats o'er the bloody havoc of their kind,
Not knowing love or mercy, Lord, how long
Shall Satan in high places lead the blind,
To battle for the passions of the strong?
Oh, touch thy children's heart, that they may know
Hate their most hateful, pride their deadliest foe.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:19 AM
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7. not a poem really...
Edited on Sun May-30-04 10:20 AM by mike_c
...but prose both poetic and poignant. Mark Twain's The War Prayer. It ends with:

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen."


Shock and awe indeed.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:24 AM
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11. I was just about to post Twain.
Nice choice.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:20 AM
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8. On Passing the New Menin Gate - Siegfried Sassoon
Who will remember, passing through this Gate,
the unheroic dead who fed the guns ?
Who shall absolve the foulness of their fate, -
Those doomed, conscripted, unvictorious ones ?
Crudely renewed, the Salient holds its own.
Paid are its dim defenders by this pomp;
Paid, with a pile of peace-complacent stone,
The armies who endured that sullen swamp.

Here was the world's worst wound. And here with pride
'Their name liveth for ever', the Gateway claims.
Was ever an immolation so belied
as these intolerably nameless names ?
Well might the Dead who struggled in the slime
Rise and deride this sepulchre of crime.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:21 AM
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9. Blighters - Siegfried sassoon
THE House is crammed: tier beyond tier they grin
And cackle at the Show, while prancing ranks
Of harlots shrill the chorus, drunk with din;
‘We’re sure the Kaiser loves our dear old Tanks!’

I’d like to see a Tank come down the stalls,
Lurching to rag-time tunes, or ‘Home, sweet Home’,
And there’d be no more jokes in Music-halls
To mock the riddled corpses round Bapaume.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:22 AM
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10. (plato told) - ee cummings
plato told

him:he couldn't
believe it(jesus

told him;he
wouldn't believe
it)lao

tsze
certainly told
him,and general
(yes

mam)
sherman;
and even
(believe it
or

not)you
told him: i told
him;we told him
(he didn't believe it,no

sir)it took
a nipponized bit of
the old sixth

avenue
el;in the top of his head:to tell

him
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:24 AM
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12. I sing of olaf glad and big - ee cummings
i sing of Olaf glad and big
whose warmest heart recoiled at war:
a conscientious object-or

his wellbeloved colonel (trig
westpointer most succinctly bred)
took erring Olaf soon in hand;
but-though an host of overjoyed
noncoms (first knocking on the head
him) do through icy waters roll
that helplessness which others stroke
with brushes recently employed
anent this muddy toiletbowl,
while kindred intellects evoke
allegiance per blunt instruments-
Olaf (being to all intents
a corpse and wanting any rag
upon what God unto him gave)
responds, without getting annoyed
"I will not kiss your fucking flag"

straightaway the silver bird looked grave
(departing hurriedly to shave)

but-though all kinds of officers
(a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
their passive prey did kick and curse
until for wear their clarion
voices and boots were much the worse,
and egged the firstclassprivates on
his rectum wickedly to tease
by means of skillfully applied
bayonets roasted hot with heat-
Olaf (upon what were once knees)
does almost ceaselessly repeat
"there is some shit I will not eat"

our president,being of which
assertions duly notified
threw the yellowsonofabitch
into a dungeon,where he died

Christ (of His mercy infinite)
i pray to see;and Olaf,too

preponderatingly because
unless statistics lie he was
more brave than me:more blond than you
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