Saving California and getting extra Senate seats.

[Clete]

There isn't a place in this state that I haven't been to except the Anza-Borrega Desert. In my travels over the years there has always been talk about splitting old CA into two states and if you go far enough north, they want to split it into three states. Well, if this happened, you would gain two senate seats and if it were split three ways you would get two more for a total of six senate seats. I think we would gain in electoral votes over all too.

So if it were split three ways, we could send Arnie to the upper third because they are all Republicans up there anyway. We could leave old Grey Davis in Sacramento, and for the new southern state I favor Tom Hayden for Governor. Well, he's not a movie star, but he was married to one, Jane Fonda, so maybe some of Arnold's glitter appeal to the dumbasses might have rubbed off on him from Jane.

So what do Californians and DU'ers think? I don't think we are getting the senate representation in proportion to our population as it is so this could be a solution and no more Ahnold.

[arcos]

1. Add Washington DC too!

and if they want to, the Puerto Ricans.

Plus splitting CA, at least 6 new Democratic Senate seats.

[ButterflyBlood]

2. split into 3 states, at least one would be solidly Republican

but really, Arnold is moderate enough to be elected governor in almost every state. He would have a far better chance in a fair election in California than in Utah.

[jiacinto]

3. Yeah

The southern part would be solidly Republican.

[ButterflyBlood]

4. or the eastern part

if the parts surrounding around the desert and all became it's own state, it'd be as Republican as Utah.

[Clete]

5. Actually I think the northern part would be.

but the middle and southern have the large urban liberal areas in them.

[ButterflyBlood]

6. do you mean north of San Francisco?

from San Francisco to Los Angelas is where all the Democrats are. North or south of there is solid Republican, and east of that is freeperville.

[Clete]

7. I mean north of the wine country at about Red Bluff.

All that northern area is woods and ranches. They don't want anything to do with either San Francisco or Los Angeles.

[WillyT]

8. I Just Want To Keep Big Sur And Yosemite, Everything South Of That...

Well, we can always visit can't we???

NorCal here.

:evilgrin:

[Clete]

9. Hi, no offense meant.

But you guys know how you feel about it.

[WillyT]

10. None Taken, I've Been For Loppin Off The South For Years !!!

In more ways than one, LOL !!!

:hi:

[PurityOfEssence]

11. Herb Caen said it best years ago:

"...the San Francisco-Los Angeles one-way feud..."

I lived in Northern California for over 10 years and loved it. I've lived longer in Southern California longer and love it too. My choice? Oh, if my profession existed there, I might move back North. Then again...I might not.

It's a silly old fixation.

Say, what's the difference between yogurt and L.A.? Yogurt has an active culture...

[Xithras]

12. One problem with that

Yosemite may be beautiful, but it's a solidly conservative Republican area. Most of the population votes far right, and about half of them would gladly clearcut the park if given the chance (the other half are intelligent enough to recognize that tourists are more profitable than chainsaws, but they're still right wingers). I've got a friend with a vacation home less than 20 minutes from the gates of Yosemite, and frankly, most of his straight-out-of-Deliverance, survivalist wanna-be neighbors scare me. It's quite entertaining to hear his stories about his neighbors breathlessly warning him about the "dangerous" mountain lions roaming the area...as they staggered back to their cabins half-drunk with their AK-47's slung over their shoulders (and I'd bet not one of them is registered). Last time I was up there, I got stuck listening to one of them wax nostalgic about "the good ole days when you cood hang a {racial epithet for Mexican} fer stealin from you without those damned libruls gettin all worked up". When I started to object, he called me a "faggot loving communist" and stormed off.

Beautiful country. Lousy people.:puke:

[Clete]

16. Your description is accurate of the people.

They really aren't native Californians as far as I can tell, so they carry over that redneck mentality from the places that they are from. People that live in the wilderness areas hate government and they vote Republican because they believe the lies they are told to them about less government and the message appeals to them.

[MoonGod]

13. Not so fast...

... split off Southern California and you probably have a Republican state. San Diego is HEAVILY Republican, and Los Angeles leans Democrat, but they're not exactly dominant. And pretty much all of the inland areas of SoCal are Republican, too.

As far as Tom Hayden... not a chance... he recently lost a race for city council here in L.A. He doesn't have a prayer of winning the Gov.

[Clete]

15. LOL

I was kidding about Tom Hayden because he was married to a movie star. If you have to have a movie star, why not get the second best thing, an experienced politician that was married to one.

[liberalpragmatist]

17. Check out this map -- San Diego's actually trending Democratic

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/frametextj.html
- go to California, then go to county results

San Diego voted Bush, but it as 50-46 w/ a 3.5% Nader vote. If Southern Calif. were a separate state, it'd probably be a swing state, or lean-democratic, like Florida. The middle portion would be solid Democrat, and the North would be pretty Republican.

How abt splitting the coast in two and then dishing off the interior as a separate state?

[Clete]

18. If only we could dish off the interior

with Schwartzy, Simon, Issa et al with them. Unfortunately this would include our wilderness areas in the Sierras. It would a matter of no time before all the trees were cut, more dams built and water drained from the rivers and lakes. How about making the San Joaquin Valley and the Mojave Desert a separate state and leaving the rest intact as California. :-)

[Lexingtonian]

14. Ah, you've missed out on something good!

There isn't a place in this state that I haven't been to except the Anza-Borrega Desert.

You've missed out on the unbelievable S22 drive into it from Warner Springs, the California Painted Desert, and the wildflowers there in the early spring.... Or the rapid succession of ecological microenvironments as you take 78 out of Julian down the dry side of the mountains into The Narrows, and then ocotillo desert that abruptly hits the Salton Sea.... I had a coyote walk up to my car once near Warner Springs on the S22, and there is probably no place with as many golden eagles and hawks to see as the region around Ramona/Santa Yzabel and Warner Springs/Mount Palomar.

I think we'd have two majority Democratic states if we split the Californias. (I'm all for de facto annexing Baja California if we need a third one. And ceding everything north of Ten Mile River to Oregon.) LA doesn't look it, but it does more than neutralize out all California Republicans south of San Luis Obispo singlehandedly. (Btw, I really don't get all the big deal made out of San Diego- there are probably more Republican votes in Riverside County alone, and Orange County alone, than in all of San Diego.)