What are you Crazy Centrists Thinking? McCain for VP??

[sventvkg]

This is just nuts...Come on, get someone on the left for God's Sake..I Mean in my mind Kerry is bad enough..We don't need someone even more to the right on the ticket..People in this country are very very confused..We would have a much better oiled and fair society if Rich, and corporations would just pay their share, and then we had some real progressives in the Govt. that came up with real workable programs and solutions to problems. Think Healthcare, Retirement, etc...Centrists will do nothing to get the Government out of the Corporations hands and back into the hands of the people, with programs and solutions that will really benefit the people...I'm sick of policies that make absolutly no sense in the real world, other then to keep the corporations in profit..We Americans should be ashamed of ourselves for putting up with it all the supression of technologies and solutions that we benefit everyone, by career Politicians in the pocket of Big business...I'm frankly just sick of it and over it. The only people who have REAL solutions that will benefit working, real people are progressives. Centrists and Right wingers are ONLY about lining their own pockets and screw everyone else, screw the environment..This is just not right and SHAME ON YOU ALL for believing the centrist give even the smallest shit about any of you and what's important for the betterment of everyday Americans...SHAME ON YOU ALL....You all know in your heart of hearts that you are supporting a sham...nothing but a Sham...When it comes down to it, it's only slightly better then the right winger Philosiphy....I hope we all wake up and get real about whats really going on, who is real, and who is just full of Wind...This country is going to downhill and we have the ability to steer it into the greatest age of Man in history....But The Ultra Rich and Corporations and their puppet centrist and right winger politicians continue to BS the People and they buy it!!!!..WAKE UP...EVERYTHING They do is in their best interest and they try to convince us that it's to our benefit!! And most of you buy it!...UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

[jonnyblitz]

1. lol. its anything BUT the left.

eyes right always. sickening.

[Kahuna]

2. McCain isn't a centrist. He's a conservative and he's proud of it.

A centrist would be fine with me. If it took a combined ticket to heal the wounds I'd be open to that. But not one with McCain on the ticket.

[sventvkg]

3. Combined with Left winger and centrist...MAYBE

But it's still spinning he Wheel...We need REAL policies that benefit real people...NOT corporations.....Fuck them.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. We can admire McCain, but voting for him?

Look, I have a lot of admiration for any man who can spend six years as a POW, keep his guys alive and kickin', and still have the moxie to taunt his captors after life-threatening punishment.

But even though John McCain is an honest conservative, we don't have to vote for him.

In fact, I think that the best compliment you can pay someone like McCain is to "be on your game" ... to fight the best fight you know how ... to be grateful, in the words of an old Samurai, that you have an "... opponent who is worthy of (you) drawing (your) sword."

McCain is with us where it counts in opposing the neo-con domination. Taking him to our bosom is not required.

--bkl
Play fair. Fight hard.

[Vickers]

7. Well put!

I admire the guy, but there are plenty of folks on our side who can do the job better *cough* Clark *cough cough*

But, be prepared to be lambasted for saying you admire him: I was the other day!

:spank:

[sventvkg]

9. I Admire NO Right wingers...Their Philosophy is anti society..

All me me me me...Bastards!!! HATE THEM ALL..

[Vickers]

10. Hey BareKnuckledLiberal, see what I mean?

:hi:

[Dogmudgeon]

16. Can't say I blame 'em

Still and all, I find it easy to distinguish between neo-Cons, Cons, and just-plain-idiots --

Conservatives are not filled with hate, though I personally believe their philosophy is flawed and destructive;

Neo-Cons have an activist agenda that is the modern mirror of Fascism;

Just-Plain-Idiots are haters with a vague RW agenda. They tend to rant a lot about latte, wine-and-cheese, France, and other "lifestyle" interests.

"We Liberals" have our sub-groups, too, but they are different.

McCain is a pretty basic conservative. Not hateful, not neo-fascist-like, just conservative. I'll oppose him politically, but I don't feel that he'll go to any lengths to destroy me.

--bkl

[JNelson6563]

5. I'm pretty centrist & I think it's assinine

If we can't find a suitable VP within our own party we may as well dissolve.

I can't think of a worse idea than a Repub on OUR ticket. I am highly suspicious of any "Dem" that thinks this to be a good idea.

Julie

[sadiesworld]

8. .

"If we can't find a suitable VP within our own party we may as well dissolve."

I think that pretty well sums up the media's point in focusing on this McCain as VP nonsense. It is insulting to the real VP candidates and to the party generally.

As to the motivations behind all of the McCain as VP DU posts :shrug:

[Hubert Flottz]

18. If we want a repuke on the ticket better get Joey L. again!

Or Zell from Hell!

I'd vote for Ralph before I'd vote for someone with a voting record like John McCain!

[ima_sinnic]

6. McCain has a June 9th deadline to file papers for reelection

in the Senate. That day can't come fast enough, for the dumba** idea of Kerry/McCain to die.

But if he doesn't file those papers . . . :scared:

[robbedvoter]

14. ya think W will give him enough time off from his W re-election duties

to spare some "vicepresidentin' for the hapless democrats who absolutely cannot govern, win elections without the assistance of W's team?
maybe if the entire DU asks W nicely, we can get 2 days a week , mebbe? What do you say, W, can you spare him for us? We are becoming centrists and will be ever so grateful!

[robbedvoter]

11. I want an anti-war liberal for VP (and will get him too)

"I am a liberal. We live in a liberal democracy... This country was founded on the principals of
the Enlightenment.
-- Wes Clark

As for the McCain brainwashing....it scares me what the media can build. Does anyone remember when 2 dem reps (McDermott and ? )went to Iraq - before the war and reported that this was a poor battered country - no threat to us?
"centrist" McCain called them TRAITORS (they spoke from Bagdad).
And if "centrist" means to be one of the 2 senators (with Nickles) to refuse NYC 911 recovery funds, well then i am probably a very extremist left.
repeat after me: SOMEONE WHO OCCASIONALLY TELLS THE TRUTH IN THE GOP IS NOT A GOD! (but it is an anomalie - which speaks more about the GOp than for the OCCASIONAL truth teller)
As W gets more and more extreme, you'll hear wingnuts scratching their heads. Alterman chronicles some of it:

Hawks Eating Crow
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040607&s=alterman

he Bush Administration has not made it easy on its supporters. David Brooks now admits that he was gripped with a "childish fantasy" about Iraq. Tucker Carlson is "ashamed" and "enraged" at himself. Tom Friedman, admitting to being "a little slow," is finally off the reservation. Die-hard Republican publicist William Kristol admits of Bush, "He did drive us into a ditch." The neocon fantasist and sometime Republican speechwriter Mark Helprin complains on the Wall Street Journal editorial page--the movement's Pravda-...

It is a good thing. But it does it mean that I will want David Brooks for Press secretary, Ticker carlson for speechwriter or Tom Friedman or Bill Kristol for foreign policy advisor.

[Tinoire]

12. I don't think your problem is with Centrists of course that depends

on how you define Centrists....

IMO, our problem is more with a group of swing voters who are Republican at heart and merely having a personality difference with Bush instead of a philosophical difference with the Republican Party.

This personality difference is something the DLC, which is nothing more than a a group of Republicans willing to pay lip service to a few liberal issues, is trying to exploit because the DLC wants to drag our party straight into the arms of the corporations using swing voters as an excuse.

[robbedvoter]

13. I think he/she addressed the self-definition in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1638802&mesg_id=1638802

[Tinoire]

15. Hard for me to judge that one

Under a fantasy scenario, I would like to kick over neo-liberal out of the Dem party and draw every non-neo-conservative Republican into ours but only after giving them about 1 years worth of education on current events.

I've long maintained that our real problem is the neo cancer (liberal/conservative) that's eating away at both parties as they rush towards the corporate world's Neo World Order.

I would gladly exchange some of our DLC Dems for Republicans who aren't metastizing from the neo-cancer but I wouldn't want any of them at the helm of the ship so soon and sadly McCain is not one of them; he was the choice of all the neo-cons before Bush chose Cheney as his VP.

How do YOU define Centrist?

[Jose Diablo]

17. McCain for VP?

Like ya said, this is absolutely nuts. To be sure, the DLC has a woody at the idea of McCain for VP. Look at all the corporate contributions they can expect.

However, McCain is a right wing republican. Period. We do not need him on the Kerry ticket to smoke Bush*.

As for the DLC, I find it surreal the party hasn't tossed those butt-kissers out. The movement of the center to the right can be laid right at the feet of the DLC corporate sycophants.

Part of any competitive analysis requires that whatever product is sold needs to be different than the competitors product. We know what the republicans offer. Shouldn't the Democratic party be offering something different. I thought the slogan of the party went something like this: "The party of The People". Does anybody else remember this slogan?

McCain for VP? What bullshit the DLC is floating.