If the Republicans try and steal the November election...

[burythehatchet]

do you believe that the military would intervene if their malfeasance is exposed.

Its an amazing thought, I know. But it did occur to me that they will have to make a decision.

[havocmom]

1. If?

If they try and steal the election?

Oh, yeah, I think the military has already sent a warning shot across the junta's bow.

[burythehatchet]

2. how so?

[havocmom]

10. The report by Army officers critical of the whole policy towards Iraq

would be a shot, I think. More and more officers openly critical of Rumsfeld and the rest of the junta and going on record against poor policy decisions which endanger troops and civilians needlessly. I think many good people of honor and duty have just about had enough. Wasn't there a news story this AM about a report by US Army Officers comparing the Invasion of Iraq to the mess in Vietnam (only without the help of local army and security forces as in Nam) Then there were the intelligence people (retired and active) who went on record as being very critical of the junta a few weeks ago. Seems there is a growing population of those who serve who are not willing to be further abused.

Also, federal workers seem to be getting more organized. Havocdad checks his fed workers' news sites as soon as he gets home every evening. They are keeping a very critical eye on what is going on.

Like I said, those who serve the nation (as opposed to those who look to fleece it) are showing signs of not tolerating more abuse from the junta. There are people out there who value honor and duty. I would never count them out in the matter of defending the nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And I believe the officer who follows the pResident* with that briefcase does NOT carry the real launch codes. I have to believe the military is smarter than that just so I can sleep most nights.

[burythehatchet]

12. You raise excellent points

I believe the experience of being deployed in Iraq, and then having their stay extended again and again, certainly doesn't endear the admin to the soldiers. But I believe its the generals that you have to keep an eye on.

[havocmom]

15. generals, schmenerals

Captains and Lt. Cols are the ones to watch. ;-)

[No2W2004]

3. If it gets bad enough,

Neocons won't let the elections happen. Terra will shut the elections down. So, another question would be will the military back shrub declairing Marshal Law and making himself head of state for an "undetermined" period?

[Sirveri]

4. heh

I used to think that I would take up arms to defend the union. But now I don't believe anyone would follow such a lead.

I'm lead to the belief that whatever happens in '04, Americans will lay down and take it. Maybe I should put more stock in the John Titor Prophecy though which says we'll have the begining of civil war late this year early next year.

[qwertyMike]

13. From the Declarationof Independence

" . . . Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, "

[leftofthedial]

5. A. The Repukes WILL certainly try and steal the November election

B. Violence will be an appropriate response.

C. If the military were to get involved, it would splinter, with proponents of each side taking up arms against the other.

I think the odds of a civil war in the US are nearly as great as those for a civil war in Iraq.

[gumby]

6. IF?

Done deal.

Who knows what the military will do?

The Bushies have already purged of "bothersome" military personnel.

[kiahzero]

7. Funny you ask

I was playing with the Sloganater:

http://www.bushsloganator.com/cgi-bin/sloganator.cgi?encslogan=hdhehcgphahahfhdcagegmgpgcgfgjeecagfhdhfgbgdgfgccacmhcgpggcagfhegphgcahfgphjcagpgihhcahcgfhehegbgncahechgohdgfgpgecaheej

[Djinn]

8. they already did

and military didn't

[welshTerrier2]

9. they won't try

because unlike the 2000 election, this time they know they'll go to jail after Kerry takes office ...

[CharlesGroce]

11. they'd better not

It's OUR job to overthrow the government, not the people who abide by codes of conduct that do not include questioning authority.

That rationale only fuels the rationale that we should be a military state. And if you believe that, you should review the documents which established the United State of America and quit politics.

[qwertyMike]

14. Again

"... Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, "

[burythehatchet]

17. Wow thanks.

It gives me chills reading that

[qwertyMike]

18. So. . .

ORGANIZE

[havocmom]

19. Hey, if a soldier is given an illegal order, isn't there an obligation to

disobey it?

Well, if orders are given by an illegal government (one resulting from a coup where an election is stolen) what does the guy in uniform do? Refuse the order, refuse to grant authority to the illegal entity claiming the right to give the orders, stand down until proper civilian authority can be restored then back up that proper authority and haul the criminals involved with election tampering and lock them up as per civil law. That is all it would take. Just say no to Chicken Hawks illegally camped in the Nation's offices.

[jeff30997]

16. Imo...

They will do anything they can to stay in power.Anything,legal or not.:nuke:

[peabody71]

20. Speaking of john titor.

[TrogL]

21. Yes, I've already predicted a military coup