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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:11 PM
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Why is it OK to abuse kids on Fear Factor?
I keep seeing these commercials for Family Fear Factor and am nothing short of appalled. It features a fresh faced middle schooler sitting in a plexiglass box, scared out of his mind, having bugs poured over him. Why is this OK? It is one thing for adults to be doing this kind of thing, but kids?
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:13 PM
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1. Roman Empire
There's a real sadistic streak in our society, isn't there?
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:13 PM
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2. TV
By the way, I stopped watching TV months ago and feel mich saner for it.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:23 AM
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34. it takes a village
you should tune back in long enough to find the sponsers and tell them to knock it the fuck off.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:14 PM
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3. It is sick
These kids are all American, cute kids, and the whole point seems to be to see them squirm. It is almost like kiddie porn with fear as the hook.
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:16 PM
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4. Kiddie pagents
Ever see those kiddie pagents (Jon Benet Ramsey)?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:23 PM
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8. My sister was in a few
but those were bush league in comparison to the Jon Bennet thing. Even my sister's thing was sort of creepy. I am kind of glad she lost the finals of the Ms Peanut and decided to do no more of those.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:24 AM
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35. so DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
we will have to live with the results of this crap. find the sponsors and tell them to knock it the fuck off.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:25 AM
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36. I should have watched the show
but since I didn't I don't know the sponsers.
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:17 PM
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5. I've never watched it but
know the reason is another example of desensitization.

If I worked for child protection services I would be outraged. I saw the previews.

It is sick, disgusting, and I cannot believe anyone would watch that shit.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:19 PM
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6. It is all I am seeing too
I won't watch the episode but I like a lot of NBC shows so I have seen the commercial repeatedly. It seems to run every half hour or so.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:26 AM
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37. be outraged, even if you don't work for CPS
watch it and find the sponsers and tell them to knock it the fuck off.
we talk about political boycotts and write letters all the time. what about a little societal boycott. if we keep our mouths shut, it will only get worse.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:22 PM
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7. For the same reason it's legal for kids to ride roller coasters...
consent.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:38 PM
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20. Yes, But We Don't Pay To Watch Them Riding Rollercoasters
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:27 PM
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9. It's not okay and should be stopped by the proper authorities .n/t
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:27 PM
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10. Sometimes I don't which side wants us to be free or not! n/t
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:31 PM
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12. The adults can do what they will
I honestly don't care. But the kids are a very different story. It should be noted that they won't have any control over any of the money they earn, due to their tender age. They are mot permitted to make a whole host of decisions due to their tender age. Yet, they are allowed to do this? That makes no real sense.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:30 PM
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11. Why is a show like fear factor even on?
I call it trash tv.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 03:57 PM
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13. Child abuse?
Seriously?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:13 PM
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14. Because it's not abuse
Edited on Tue May-18-04 04:13 PM by sangh0
And the fear is an act. All of their stunts involve no danger.

Hint: It's TV (shhhhh. don't tell anybody else)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:16 PM
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15. That's what I was thinking...
Abuse? What abuse?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:18 PM
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16. I realize they aren't in danger
Edited on Tue May-18-04 04:19 PM by dsc
but that doesn't negate fear. I defy you to watch the commercial and tell me the blond boy isn't scared out of his mind.

On edit When I visited the St Louis Arch I wasn't in danger of falling but I was scared out of my mind on that little elevator thing they have.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:28 PM
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18. I've watched the commercial
amd the boy was not scared out of his mind. I'm guessing you didn't see the end of that commercial, where the boy says something like "That's was incredible!!"

When I visited the St Louis Arch I wasn't in danger of falling but I was scared out of my mind on that little elevator thing they have.

And here in NYC, people pay good money to have that done to them on The Cyclone in Coney Island.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:31 PM
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19. that was the black haired boy
who said it was incredible (I think he used awesome). The blond was scared out of his mind.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 05:04 PM
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23. So, he was scared
Kids love that.

Last weekend, I swung my 7 year old niece around my head by her legs. She screamed and screamed.

And when I stopped, she asked to do it again.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 08:42 PM
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26. You presumedly didn't do it on national TV
I think there is a massive difference between things like roller coasters etc being done in private and on national TV. If the kid had wimped out can you imagine what he next day at school would be like?
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:28 AM
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38. and what if she was scared and you did it for money...on a bet?
? What if you had pimped your neices fear for money on a national TV show?
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:23 PM
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17. That one little girl walking on a high beam
looked scared out of her mind.

I watched, goddess help me. But I couldn't help
thinking it was disgusting to do that to those kids.

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TreeHuggingLiberal Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:41 PM
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21. I don't actually see it as abuse.
The children know that they can stop at any time, and they know that they are in no way forced to do anything that is presented as a challenge.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 04:52 PM
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22. Abuse takes many forms, folks
And sometimes the harm is deep but invisible from the outside.

The reason we have laws about child abuse & neglect -- and the reason they should be used -- is because there are some parents who are (1) malicious, (2) self-centered (the kid is only their for the adult's ego-gratification), and/or (3) willfully, criminally, stupid.

Putting an underage child on shows like Fear Factor is just begging for a visit from the Sherriff and the Child Protective Services. Beginning with the set, the parent's home, and last but not least the producer's office.

The only question I have is: Why haven't the cops been there yet?

Hekate
who wishes she'd been there to protect Persephone

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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 06:23 PM
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25. The fact that many people see nothing wrong with this
Edited on Tue May-18-04 06:25 PM by Pithlet
scares me, frankly. edited
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 12:51 AM
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29. I believe it's abuse
Imagine if you did this to your own child, and it was not on TV? Suppose you poured bugs over your child to frighten him? Suppose you then posted videos of that on the internet? Remind you of anything?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:31 AM
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39. EXACTLY!!!!!
or even if you took pictures and had them seveloped commercially. some walmart tech would blow the whistle on you.

why is it okay to do this on TV when no one would get away with it privately. for all you people saying there is nothing wrong with it, tell me why?
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 06:22 PM
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24. It is appalling.
How much of a choice do some of these kids have, if their parents are willing to go to any lengths to get on tv and win money? If they're willing to exploit their kids in such a manor, then I do think it is abuse. If I want to go on tv, make a fool of myself, and subject myself to horror and revulsion for money and publicity, that is one thing, but I would never dream of even asking my kids to do so, and I certainly would never allow it. It's tv at its lowest and vilest form.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 09:11 PM
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27. You think the kids really have a choice if their
parents are psychologically browbeating or even physically beating them behind the scenes? (You may remember that Tonya Harding's mother beat her with a hairbrush when she didn't want to skate.)

The "stage parent" is an old phenomenon. If there are adults who will do anything stupid, dangerous, or humiliating, just to see their fool faces on TV, it is not beyond imagination that they should force the same on their children.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 01:06 AM
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30. Even if the parents aren't browbeating
most kids would do it anyway to please their parents, even if they felt scared and humiliated.

Sick.
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bratcatinok Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 12:49 AM
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28. You aren't the only one appalled!
I think it's a terrible premise for a show. If adults want to participate in that kind of crap, it's one thing but to have kids doing it is awful.

I could barely stand to watch the commercials for the original Fear Factor and I literally get sick to my stomach when I see the one's with kiddos involved.
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huellewig Donating Member (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:48 AM
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31. That is sick..
Imagine the crap these kids get when they get home after losing. Every-time these kids get driven to school in their Pinto the parents can blame the kid for not having a Lexus. Family Double Dare was a good example of how this type of thing should be done, if done at all.

http://www.loogslair.com/gameshow/rules/ddnick.html
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 03:13 AM
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32. Were these wee kids, tween kids, or teen kids?
There would be a difference. Older kids would have more likely urged the parents to play that sick and silly TV game than the other way around.

No kid under 12 or so should have been allowed anywhere the set though.

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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:19 AM
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33. Didn't anyone actually watch it?
It was on Monday. I saw only bits and pieces because I thought it was ghastly. Children trashtalking the other team along with their parents. What was particularly bad is that if a child was frightened and initially said no to the stunt, after watching the other participants go through with it, you could feel how they were 'forced' to go through with it. The father/son team showed the most pathology followed by the mother/daughter then mother/son.
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