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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:49 AM
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Lou Dobbs KICKED W's tail tonight...!! On multiple areas!
It was incredible. I am not a Dobbs fan but man, he was sharp tonight.

*how Iraq was an utter failure..
Congress is holding hearings on the prisoner abuse scandal. There are mounting calls for the defense secretary to resign and Senator Kerry, like President Bush says, we must stay the course. And our troops continue to die in Iraq. And not one elected official with whom I've talked this week says that he or she knows what our strategy is to resolve our involvement in Iraq.

Our military that once said it would kill or capture Muqtada al- Sadr now plans to use his followers to quell the uprising in Najaf. Terrorists cut off the head of Nick Berg and we're told that killers of this young American will be brought to justice.

At least the Pentagon had the decency not to say the noose was tightening, as it has before, that the terrorist are running out of time, as they've said of Osama bin Laden and the Iraqi insurgents now for more than a year.

*how the $200 billion spent on Iraq could have paid the salaries for 450,000 teachers for the next decade (at $45,000 a year, which 'for many that would be a significant raise'), or else funded cancer research for the next 40 years, or funded NASA for 13 years, including manned missions to the moon.

*how Bush's delightful photo op at Timken a year ago ("Since the president's visit last April, Timken has laid off more than a quarter of its hio workforce. President Bush, by the way, said high productivity, quote, raises the standard of living for the American people. 1,300 people at those plants in Ohio tonight probably disagree with the president's assessment now.")
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:51 AM
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1. awesome
go dobbs!
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:58 AM
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2. I saw that, gooooooo Lou......
I like the fact he is obsessed with outsourcing america, middle class squeeze, and health care. Great when we progressives can find a conservative to agree on issues.
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Daisey Mae Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:06 AM
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3. Keep it up Lou......Maybe, just Maybe Lou has seen the LIGHT....
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:27 AM
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4. lou has seen the light
he`s been hammering bush for the last few months. another radio eco guru-bob brinker also has hammered bush`s policies, his best line to date-"we are exporting deflation"..the money people are very worried about the future economy and our ability to sell our debt in the world where the euro may take the place of the dollar..
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:27 AM
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5. He's been forced to face facts
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:34 AM
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6. Lou Dobbs' problem is with values, not facts. He's intellectually honest
but a real Republican. He infuriates me sometimes, because of his values, but I've always respected him, I think he is intellectually honest, a good reporter, and smart--for a free market guy.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:54 AM
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16. Agreed. Intellectual honesty is in short supply in politics. n/t
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:20 AM
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19. I agree, there are a lot of good Republicans & Independents
the problems isn't R vs D, it's neo-conservative/liberal vs good old-fashioned values. Lou Dobb is a breath of fresh air in this cancer-ridden circus.

The fact that the biggest neo-cons out there were big-time Liberals should make people stop and think about the Neo cancer eating away at both parties.

Richard Perle is still a Democrat and so are half the people at the American Enterprise Institute, the parent organization of PNAC. The DLC is in bed with PNAC up to its neck to the point of having signed PNAC documents.

"It's Time to Get Over It"
Kerry Tells Anti-War Movement to Move On

The DLC is following the footsteps of its neo-conservative,
war-mongering predecessor organizations of the 1970s: the Coalition
for a Democratic Majority (CDM), founded in 1972 by the likes of
Richard Perle, Midge Decter, Norman Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, and
Jeane Kirkpatrick
, among others; the Committee on the Present Danger
(CPD), founded in 1976 by Richard Perle, Midge Decter, Norman
Podhoretz, Irving Kristol, and Jeane Kirkpatrick,
et al; and the
Committee for the Free World (CFW), founded in 1981 by exactly the
same crew
. Rounding out the picture, CFW's chairman was Donald

The "missing link" between the "Democratic" DLC and the now-
"Republican" CDM/CPD/CFW neo-cons, is the Social Democrats-USA,
(SDUSA), whose chairman, Penn Kemble, was the Executive Director of
the Coalition for a Democratic Majority in 1972, until he brought in
Richard Perle's underling Stephen Bryen to take his place. Bryen, who
created the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) in
the early 1980s, when he served as Perle's aide at the Department of
Defense, is another leading member of the neo-conservative gang that
wants to go to war against the entire Arab world in the name of
anti-terrorism. Providing daily coordination between Perle and Bryen
would be Joshua Muravchik, a fixture at nearly every American
Enterprise Institute event--but also a leader of SDUSA since its

The DLC and SDUSA both maintain extremely close links to Tony Blair's
British "New Labour" party faction, and in parallel, are out to
recreate a new version of the Coalition for a Democratic Majority in
time for the 2004 elections. The battle cry for this effort is to
follow the "strong defense" lead of the original CDM's heroes: the
late Dem Senators Henry "Scoop" Jackson, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

The CDM's two leading lights in Congress were the Democratic Senators
Jackson and Moynihan. The Cold Warrior and fanatically pro-Israel
Jackson remains the model for the DLC crowd today. Former DLC
president Joe Lieberman declares he is proud to be identified as a
"'Scoop' Jackson Democrat." It was these two Senators' offices that
housed the Straussians behind the no-exit Iraq War.

From Jackson's staff came:
    * Paul Wolfowitz, now Deputy Secretary of Defense and a leading
    Straussian chicken-hawk;

    * Richard Perle (on Jackson's staff from 1969 until going into the
    Defense Department in 1981), and until his recent forced resignation,
    chairman of Rumsfeld's Defense Policy Board. It is reported that Perle
    maintains Democratic Party membership to this day, out of fealty to
    Scoop. Perle later brought along Doug Feith, now Rumsfeld's
    Undersecretary for Policy, who has been a Perle "groupie" since the
    late 1970s, largely due to Feith's family background deep in the
    terrorist movement founded by Zionist fascist Vladimir Jabotinsky. In
    the 1980s, Feith financed Perle through the International Advisers
    Inc., a firm in which Feith was the only stockholder;

    *Frank Gaffney, who heads the Center for Security Policy, a "private"
    neo-con group which cheerleads for imperial wars and brutally
    anti-Palestinian policies;

From Moynihan's office came:

    * Elliott Abrams, an Iran/Contra convict who now tries to shape
    Administration Middle East policy from the National Security Council

    * Abram Shulsky, who heads the Office of Special Plans under Feith in
    the Pentagon, which concocted fraudulent intelligence estimates used
    by the Administration to justify the Iraq War;

    * Gary Schmitt, the head of the empire-promoting PNAC and a close
    collaborator of Shulsky. Schmitt worked under Roy Godson of the
    National Strategy Information Center in the early 1980s. Godson was
    active in the CDM in the 1970s, narrowly escaped prosecution in the
    Iran-Contra scandals of the 1980s, and now is a consultant to Feith
    and Shulsky's Office of Special Plans.

Other leaders in the CDM were:

    * Stephen Bryen, who became Executive Director of CDM and then of
    JINSA, after being kicked off the staff of the Senate Foreign
    Relations Committee for passing classified Pentagon documents to
    Israeli officials.

    * Penn Kemble, the first Executive Director of CDM, who paved the way
    for Bryen to take the job over, later chairman of SDUSA.

    In 1999, Norman Podhoretz, known as the "father" of neo-conservatism,
    wrote that the CDM was created to destroy the policies of 1972 Dem
    nominee George McGovern in the Democratic Party, especially because of
    McGovern's opposition to the Vietnam War. Podhoretz even admitted that
    the CDM was a flop that "never got off the ground." But in the
    mid-80s, the DLC certainly did get off the ground, and controls the
    Democratic Party today.

{Issues.527.62}: Tom Paine {nasrudin11f} Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:51:48 CDT -


Kerry's version of PNAC:

February 18, 2004

"It's Time to Get Over It"
Kerry Tells Anti-War Movement to Move On

Researchers and investigative reporters are fascinated with the neoconservatives, that group of American empire peddlers who turned George W. Bush into a junkie war criminal. A similar group, the New Democrats, has been pushing its own dangerous brand of U.S. hegemony but with much less fanfare.

The leading mouthpiece for the New Democrats' radical interventionist program could be our next president. John Kerry, the frontrunner in the quest for the Democratic Party presidential nomination, has been promoting a foreign policy perspective called "progressive internationalism." It's a concept concocted by establishment Democrats seeking to convince potential backers in the corporate and political world that, if installed in the White House, they would seek to preserve U.S. power and influence around the world, but in a kinder, gentler fashion than the current administration.

In the battle to control the American empire, the neocons have in their corner the Project for a New American Century while the New Democrats have the Progressive Policy Institute. Come November, who will get your vote? Coke or Pepsi?

In fall 2000, PNAC released Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century. It's a blueprint for "maintaining global U.S. preeminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests."

In fall 2003, members of PPI joined with other tough-minded Democrats to unveil Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy, a 19-page manifesto that calls for "the bold exercise of American power, not to dominate but to shape alliances and international institutions that share a common commitment to liberal values."

The rest of this excellent work with its supporting documentation can be found here:

The war in Iraq has been bogus from the start and SHAME to any Republican or Democrat who in anyway supported, shilled for or excused this war.

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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:52 AM
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7. One down, untold dozens to go
Edited on Sat May-15-04 01:54 AM by Scairp
One journalist has finally grown a backbone and started telling it like it is, but it simply isn't enough. The rest of the Washington press corp needs to wake up and start doing their jobs as well. They need to stop being afraid of the editors who get the calls when something unflattering (but true) is printed or broadcast about the current administration. We all must email and call editors at the New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC and all the other widely read or watched media outlets (I would add Faux news too but we all know they are a lost cause). I usually only sent about one email a week to some dumbass reporter or editor or whoever, saying that I know they're lying and they need to cut it out cause we (the public) are not going to take it lying down anymore, but I plan to do more. Please, when you read these stories in the Times that doesn't tell the whole truth about Kerry, for instance, when they write about Bush's election ads criticizing Kerry for voting against all of those defense programs, they leave out the part about Cheney voting against all of those same programs when he was in the senate. Stuff like that. I do think that if they get these emails time and again, week after week, things will change. One of the first websites I read each weekday is . This is a must-read for anyone who is fed up with the way the press corps sabotaged Gore during the Y2K election and doesn't want to see it happen again, this time to Kerry. So, get off your duffs, read the Times, the Post, your hometown paper, each day and if they write something that isn't giving readers the whole story, write them, call them if you want to, but start forcing these jokers to fix what is wrong. I can handle the negative stuff about my candidate, as long as it is the complete and unvarnished truth. Why should we allow them to get away with not giving it to us any longer?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:56 AM
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8. Scairp - I agree with what you wrote but suggestion: use more
Scairp - I agree with what you wrote but suggestion: use more paragraph breaks.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:05 AM
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9. I got an "A" in English comp
It is only one paragraph, why should I break it up? Besides, I see posts here all the time that are twice as long as mine and make no sense whatsoever. Do you critique them? I think we should focus on the message rather than writing skills anyway, don't you? Was I inarticulate? Rambling? Maybe a little rambling; it's late you know, but I don't post very much and it's because I don't do it unless I feel what I have to say is relevant. I can take criticism, but in this case I do not feel it is at all warranted. I say focus on the subject.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 02:36 AM
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10. Unbroken blocks of text are hard to read on-screen
My eyes get tired and I skip over postings with no breaks. As a consequence, I tend to create paragraphs more frequently in my DU messages than I do when composing in other contexts.

I think what you got was a suggestion, rather than a criticism.

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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:04 AM
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11. Well, whatever
As I said, lots of posts are thousands of words long without a break, and it bugs me that people waste space saying something that most likely could have been said with far fewer words. I say nothing. It's just polite. By the way, Lou Dobbs is rerunning right now on CNN.
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:10 AM
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12. You know maybe Kerry should shup up ands let * self destruct all over
himself. We have what? 5 1/2 months to election and Bush still has to run the gauntlet of the 911 committee report, the Plame case report or hopefully indictments, the ongoing cluster fuck of Iraq and God knows whatever else come out of the Iraq abuse situation. Jesus, what else is coming down the pipe for *?

Geez, I'm getting close to the abyss of the 700 club!
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 07:06 AM
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17. Well.....we got a couple of SCOTUS findings I am anxiously......
Edited on Sat May-15-04 07:08 AM by liberalnproud
awaiting as well.

Not to mention Medicare-gate.

that is twice on edit for spelling and missing words. Will finish coffee now.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 05:49 AM
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13. Lou has been kicking*'s ass for quite a while
We watch him regularly now, he's honest and deeply cares about this country. I respect his views!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:05 AM
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14. Lou Dobbs is the greatest!
They need more like him on every channel! I've almost stopped watching the local news, so I can catch Lou at 6:00pm or at 11:00pm EDT! I think CNN knows that Lou is drawing more viewers by swatting the Shrub, than the Bush loving geeks they have on before or after his show! If I miss Lou at 6:00 or 11:00pm, I catch him at 4:00am EDT! I love the way he tears the GOPers apart so calmly!
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 06:15 AM
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15. Lou Dobbs is a tremendous help
He's brought the issue of outsourcing of high tech jobs out in the open almost singlehandedly. I've been paying close attention to this issue for a long time and was hard put to find it mentioned in the mainstream media at all, before he started that series. Most of our candidates only seemed aware of the problems in the manufacturing sector early on. Clark was the only one I heard even mention the export of high tech jobs back in the beginning. Having one Lou Dobbs speaking out is more effective than having ten experts that are idealogical liberals. He's really non-partisan at the moment and this administration is honestly a disaster for our country, not only for people that oppose it. Likewise, the conduct of the major corporations today is putting everything that has built this country at risk. The fact that someone who is all about conservative economics sees this is the best thing that could happen.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 08:00 AM
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18. I wonder what turned the tide for Lou ...which event
I suspect the oursourcing, but I still wonder personally for him,what specific event turned the tide for Lou.
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