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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:28 PM
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Can anyone supply me a link that has an Iraqi of any sort being apologetic towards any of the civs killed in Iraq? Anything would be appreciated. Thanks, DUers!
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:32 PM
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1. Remind me...
when did Iraqis kill civilians?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:34 PM
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2. Those contractors / mercenaries perhaps?
But that doesn't really fit, since they aren't really civilians.

Perhaps an Iraqi response to 9/11?

Bryant
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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:38 PM
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3. ......
That would do, but I was referring to the contracters.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:42 PM
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4. So, is their point that all Iraqis are out for blood?
Fine, here's our friend in Iraq, Riverbend.
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, April 07, 2004

....There are over a hundred wounded and dying and there's nowhere to bury the dead because the Americans control the area surrounding the only graveyard in Falloojeh; the bodies are beginning to decompose in the April heat. The troops won't let anyone out of Falloojeh and they won't let anyone into it either- the people are going to go hungry in a matter of days because most of the fresh produce is brought from outside of the city. We've been trying to call a friend who lives there for three days and we can't contact him.

This is supposed to be 'retaliation' for what happened last week with the American contractors- if they were indeed contractors. Whoever they were, it was gruesome and wrong… I feel for their families. Was I surprised? Hardly. This is an occupation and for those of you naïve enough to actually believe Chalabi and the Bush administration when they said the troops were going to be 'greeted with flowers and candy' then I can only wish that God will, in the future, grant you wisdom.

This is crazy. This is supposed to be punishment for violence but it's only going to result in more bloodshed on both sides… people are outraged everywhere- Sunnis and Shi'a alike. This constant bombing is only going to make things worse for everyone. Why do Americans think that people in Baghdad or the south or north aren’t going care what happens in Falloojeh or Ramadi or Nassriyah or Najaf? Would Americans in New York disregard bombing and killing in California?

And now Muqtada Al-Sadr's people are also fighting it out in parts of Baghdad and the south. If the situation weren't so frightening, it would almost be amusing to see Al-Hakeem and Bahr Ul Iloom describe Al-Sadr as an 'extremist' and a 'threat'. Muqtada Al-Sadr is no better and no worse than several extremists we have sitting on the Governing Council. He's just as willing to ingratiate himself to Bremer as Al-Hakeem and Bahr Ul Iloom. The only difference is that he wasn't given the opportunity, so now he's a revolutionary. Apparently, someone didn't give Bremer the memo about how when you pander to one extremist, you have to pander to them all. Hearing Abdul Aziz Al-Hakeem and Bahr Ul Iloom claim that Al-Sadr is a threat to security and stability brings about visions of the teapot and the kettle…

Then Bremer makes an appearance on tv and says that armed militias will *not* be a part of the New Iraq… where has that declaration been the last 12 months while Badir's Brigade has been wreaking havoc all over the country? Why not just solve the problem of Al-Sadr's armed militia by having them join the police force and army, like the Bayshmarga and Badir's Brigade?! Al-Sadr's militia is old news. No one was bothering them while they were terrorizing civilians in the south. They wore badges, carried Klashnikovs and roamed the streets freely… now that they've become a threat to the 'Coalition', they suddenly become 'terrorists' and 'agitators'.

Now there’s an arrest warrant with his name on it, although the Minister of Justice was on tv claiming he knew nothing about the arrest warrant, etc. He basically said that he was washing his hands of any move against Muqtada Al-Sadr. Don’t get me wrong- I’d love to see Muqtada behind bars, but it will only cause more chaos and rage. It’s much too late for that... he has been cultivating support for too long. It’s like a contest now between the prominent Shi’a clerics. The people are dissatisfied- especially in the south. The clerics who weren’t given due consideration and a position on the Governing Council, are now looking for influence and support through the people. You can either be a good little cleric and get along with Bremer (but have a lot of dissatisfied people *not* supporting you) or you can be a firebrand cleric and rally the masses...

It's like the first few days of occupation again… it's a nightmare and everyone is tense. My cousin and his family are staying with us for a few days because his wife hates to be alone at home with the kids. It's a relief to have them with us. We all sit glued to the television- flipping between Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabia, CNN, BBC and LBC, trying to figure out what is going on. The foreign news channels are hardly showing anything. They punctuate dazzling reportages on football games and family pets with a couple of minutes worth of footage from Iraq showing the same faces running around in a frenzy of bombing and gunfire and then talk about 'Al-Sadr the firebrand cleric', not mentioning the attacks by the troops in Ramadi, Falloojeh, Nassriyah, Baghdad, Koufa, etc.

Over the last three days, over 150 Iraqis have been killed by troops all over Iraq and it's maddening. At times I feel like a caged animal- there's so much frustration and anger. The only people still raving about 'liberation' are the Iraqis affiliated with the Governing Council and the Puppets, and even they are getting impatient with the mess.

Our foreign minister Hoshyar Zibari was being interviewed by some British journalist yesterday, making excuses for Tony Blair and commending him on the war. At one point someone asked him about the current situation in Iraq. He mumbled something about how there were 'problems' but it wasn't a big deal because Iraq was 'stable'… what Iraq is he living in?

And as I blog this, all the mosques, Sunni and Shi’a alike, are calling for Jihad...


- posted by river @ 3:44 PM
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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:51 PM
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5. ....
Thank you!
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:59 PM
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6. The US is in charge in Iraq. Shouldn't we be apologizing?
When we asked and were granted by the UN our status as an occupying power, we became responsible for everything that happens in that country. That said, I'm sure that I saw some member of the Governing Council say how badly they felt. But apologize?

It's a war and before we went in, I recall some Iraqi official saying that they would behead and burn the bodies of our soldiers. And now we would expect an apology? It's a Holy War and they have no rules. We knew that and went in there anyways.
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