Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

JAG: it reaches Douglas Feith

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:46 PM
Original message
JAG: it reaches Douglas Feith
http://www.warblogging.com/
Salon.com is reporting that a report compiled by the Committee on International Law of the New York City Bar Association has found that the American military's treatment of detainees and prisoners of war in Afghanistan, Cuba and Iraq violates international law — and the compilers of the report say that the techniques employed by interrogators at prisons such as Abu Ghraib were "sanctioned by Pentagon political appointees."
Joe Conason of Salon reports that Scott Horton, a partner at Patterson, Belknap, Webb and Tyler and chair of the Committee on International Law was told by "senior" members of the Judge Advocate General Corps that high ranking political appointees were behind the abuse. Says Conason:
Indeed, Horton says that the JAG officers specifically warned him that Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith,one of the most powerful political appointees in the Pentagon, had significantly weakened the military's rules and regulations governing prisoners of war. The officers told Horton that Feith and the Defense Department's general counsel, William J. Haynes II, were creating "an atmosphere of legal ambiguity" that would allow mistreatment of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:48 PM
Response to Original message
1. Fianlly fingers point where it should
by the way, no reason not to doubt this, this means this reaches Rummy as well... Feith did not do this alone... and it will go to... Bush
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Soup Bean Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I agree.
I think this is finally the end of the Bush Era. Normal people won't stand for this, no matter how uninformed they are. This is the end of it.

I say Thank God we're still America. You can fool all of us some of the time, but not all of the time. Restore America in 04.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DianeG5385 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. Don't underestimate the power of the uninformed
and the deliberately ignorant. The GOP has "religious" adherents who will vote for them no matter the horrors they commit. I pity them. GOTV has never ever been more vital.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. HOLY S**T I can't believe it!
I know all the Pugs are going to say this is BS bacause it's a report from Salon, but I believe it!

Can't wait to hear Limpballs etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Arianrhod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #1
29. From Day 1, this administration has sought
Edited on Sat May-08-04 12:46 AM by Arianrhod
to weaken all of the restraining laws that would keep them walking a moral line. They have unconstitutionally pulled out of treaties, rejected the World Court, put in charge of domestic civil liberties a religious nutcase who doesn't believe in the Constitution, thumbed their nose at the United Nations, threatened any nation that dared to speak out against them, rattled sabers everywhere.

Why should we be surprised that atrocities are taking place? That was the plan, right from the start.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
3. YES! Start with PNAC'ers, then get the rest of the Iran-Contra Criminals.
They have been at this way too long. School of Americas.......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #3
19. The neo-cons are going to jail!
One at a time, if necesary. I am patient.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #19
26. You are far more patient than I am.
n/t

I WANT IT NOW! And I want all of them, not one at a time. I know it is a lot to ask and to hope for but I believe we have to make it happen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
5. My sense today was that a good piece of the Senate is....
going to follow EXACTLY this trail up to Rummy. I said it a few days into this: I don't see Rummy surviving this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:04 PM
Response to Original message
6. Feith is pond scum
I'd almost rather get rid of him than Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld is nuts and will self destruct on his own, and we can always hope he'll take Wolfowitz and Perle with him.

Feith is more dangerous only because he's been kept out of the public eye, by and large. I'd dearly love to see him go.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. No one has mentioned CHENEY
I don't believe anything happens in this admin without the involvement of Cheney. I can't believe the buck stops at Rumsfeld.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:05 PM
Response to Original message
7. They're fucking toast.
There is NO way people who don't understand the rapid power of digital cameras on the battlefield are going to be able to put this genie back into the bottle.

Jeez, I wish I had a link to the photo of George Bush pere inthe supermarket (near re-election time, trying to get in touch with the people) not having a fucking clue what a bar-code reader was.

The genie is out. Those neo-cons are toast!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. The only thing they're sorry about is that they got caught
The audacity of Rummy today to bemoan the new era of digital cameras. Yeah, it's only a problem RUMMY when you are committing WAR CRIMES. He's insufferable. I want him in STOCKS.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Miss Authoritiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
8. Considering how little faith I have left in humanity today,
this is reassuring. Some people not only were paying attention but were actually doing something.

My fellow Americans endlessly baffle me: We all knew about the bizarre "we don't need no stinkin' Geneva Convention" attitude of the Bush Administration. We all knew about the cleverly constructed legal no man's land of Gitmo. But we couldn't look away from the latest episode of "Survivor" or "American Idol" long enough to process the thought that THIS ISN'T RIGHT. At least, not until some photos of naked men appeared. Then our insatiable voyeurism and barely suppressed sadism redirected our attention.

Strange, strange country.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
9. aGAIN? *EVERYTHING* Reaches FEITH/CHEENEE/RUMS,etc.
Could we VOTE now?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. NO! Need time for the rest of the country to catch up!
We may know this stuff now, but the rest of the country is still watching "the end of Friends".

We need some time to get this info in the national media. If it involves sex and nudity......oops! Didn't the FCC say they can't show that stuff???

Darn, will we have to depend on cable news for this!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:29 PM
Response to Original message
11. It seems like the journalists
of the world have begun to unite, i mean real Journalists. Smirk and company are getting nailed from every angle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:32 PM
Response to Original message
13. Paydirt!
Edited on Fri May-07-04 10:36 PM by teryang
Oops, there it is!

Great post!

<Douglas Feith, President Bush's Undersecretary of Defense for Policy — and number three man at the Pentagon — reporetdly summed up Protocol One of the Geneva Conventions of 1977 as "law in the service of terrorism".>

<Horton says "The Uniform Code of Military Justice, which governs the conduct of officers and soldiers, does not apply to civilian contractors. They were free to do whatever they wanted to do, with impunity, including homicide.">
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:41 PM
Response to Original message
14. Here's the map to the secret treasure - send out the Mounties!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. We need the link for this map.
N/T Was it in The Nation? No, it is MotherJones. It cost me lots to include in a press release!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. It was MoJo
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. Reporting as ordered Sir
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
17. God I wish they paid attention to this like 2 AND A HALF F*CKING YEARS AGO
When all of us at DU and all compassionate, reasonable people were screaming out that: HEY SOMETHING FISHY IS GOING ON HERE WITH WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH GUANTANAMO AND THE PATRIOT ACT.

But of course, back then, saying something like that meant you were a TRAITOROUS AMERICA-HATER, who SUPPORTS terrorists. If we didn't give Bush and his evil cronies carte blanche powers then it meant the TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON. LETS ROLL!! WHEEE..


Man, sometimes I really hate being right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. We set the stage
Our ideas bubbled up to the mainstream. We had to talk about this two years ago or it would not be understood today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:19 PM
Response to Original message
18. This proves it was MIHOP, not LIHOP. It wasn't a few bad apples acting
against the wishes of the misadministration, and it wasn't even the misadminstration letting it happen by ignoring it. Instead, the misadminstration was active in using torture as standard policy.

We are hearing the same kinds of arguments about the torture scandals as we have been hearing about 9/11: if we had only known; it was a breakdown in communication; we're basically incompetent, not evil.

I can't see bush* making it to November--he'll resign before then.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:31 PM
Response to Original message
22. the neoCONs are in a world of shit


i think the jig is up, FINALLY!

peace
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. Dearest BP, is the jig really up? It just seems too good to be true.
Is this cabal finally going down?

Is this really the end?

I am not as sure as you are.

Peace back at you and to everyone else.

We keep thinking this is the one. It never materializes. "They" slide out underneath each and every scandal. Is this one really going to bring them down? I have my doubts. I posted earlier, we went to dinner tonight, our waitress, 25 years old, did not know who Halliburton is. We live in Dallas for god's sake. This is an educated young woman (fashion design and merchandising) and she had no clue? WTF!?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:30 AM
Response to Original message
27. They are imploding
Bush runs out of options as chaos deepens
By Guy Dinmore
Published: May 7 2004 5:00 | Last Updated: May 7 2004 5:00

Iraq's deepening crisis has left the Bush administration with few options, and although the US has entrusted the United Nations with the task of finding a way towards political stability and elections, officials and analysts close to the White House admit that hopes of success are receding fast.


Insiders describe a lack of direction and a prevailing sense of gloom and desperation in the administration. This gloom has only been intensified by the exposure of torture and sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners.
snip

"They are flying blind," comments one former official just back from service in Baghdad. "They recognise it is a mess. There is no consistency in vision and when they do agree, there is no consistency in implementation. snip

I find even the administration's strongest supporters, including fervent advocates of the war a year ago and even some who could be labelled 'neo-conservatives', now despairing and looking for an exit," Mr Kagan, a champion of American potency, wrote in the Washington Post. "All but the most blindly devoted Bush supporters can see that Bush administration officials have no clue about what to do in Iraq tomorrow, much less a month from now," he continued, asking why the president tolerated "a dysfunctional policymaking apparatus".

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1083180336168&p=1012571727162

And Financial Times is very conservative. This does not bode well.





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Robert Kagan is full of s**t!
Edited on Sat May-08-04 07:31 PM by teryang
Now he's a critic of the failed policies he promoted as a neo-con. Or is that they didn't follow his delusional potency formula to his vague specifications? This guy fancies himself a foreign policy expert? "If the fuehrer only knew!"

He and his buddy, Pipes the second, another ersatz scholar, the beneficiary of undeserved name recognition in the "intellectual community." The Carnegie endowment for Peace? Give me a break!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:40 AM
Response to Original message
28. Oh goody; he's one of my favorite gangster neo-cons
A signitor of the PNAC letter to Clinton, no less.

He certainly doesn't have any qualms about roughing up Muslims.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 24th 2024, 07:09 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC