Rumsfeld Hearing 5/6/04 Thread 6

[proud patriot]

here's thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&...

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548432&mesg_id=1548432&page=

thread 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548776&mesg_id=1548776

thread 4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548969&mesg_id=1548969

thread 5

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1549172

[Postman]

1. Private Contractors under investigation for abuse

I wonder how many Iraqis were tortured who were not part of any resistance and just got caught up in sweeps of neighborhoods?

[Wind Dancer]

10. Many innocent have been prisoned.

Wonder why nobody brings that up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wind Dancer]

Rumsfeld will not resign just because people

make a political issue of it.

My blood pressure is so high right now.

[maddezmom]

2. Why the fuck every time they ask a ? about contractors does it have to

go into the record?? Is Warner covering for the contractors...the CIA?

[Postman]

6. because the mercenaries are part of the problem...

the privatization of the military....

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Yes, I know what I sent yesterday to Akaka

a guardian story with the contractors, that is where he was going...

Damn Warmer, I wonder if he is a peronal investor in CACI or TITAN

[VolcanoJen]

3. Lindsey Graham: Have you seen the video, Mr. Secretary?

No, no, no. Rummy hasn't read the report, hasn't seen the video.

Sen. Graham then said, "I want to prepare the public, because the worst is yet to come."

Jesus.

[MallRat]

13. Lindsey Graham said that?

Yikes. I can't even imagine what's coming. Video footage of physical torture?

-MR

[VolcanoJen]

Lindsey has either seen the video, or has talked to someone who has.

He knows. He knows that the shit hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet.

Thank you for preparing us, Sen. Graham. You're more of a Democrat than Holy Joe is, that's for sure.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

4. PICTURES - "The worst is yet to come!"

[CrownPrinceBandar]

We'd heard this before...........

things are going downhill quick.

[Katarina]

30. I don't want to see anymore

I am sick from all of this. Stop the world, I want to get off.

[VolcanoJen]

He was referring to the video, in my opinion.

Jesus. Has Sen. Graham seen the video? Has he spoken to someone who has? Methinks YES.

[frank frankly]

5. Rummy gets so befuddled. He hasn't seen the video.

Lindsey is a mixed bag so far.

"He wants it done right"

I THINK LINDSEY IS GOING TO HELP HERE!

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Gfraham is demanding that not only the PfC pay for this

he is now demanding command accountability, look at General Smith's face... he knows he is in trouble... I can almost see a General Court Martial at that level...

[Richardo]

8. OMG! I'm agreeing with Lindsay Graham!

"If only the noncoms are prosecuted, that would suck." (OK that's a paraphrase)

[mac56]

58. very good point

There will be an awful lot of reservists getting righteously pissed off if no officers or no contractors get nailed on this. Rummy knows that, too.

[VolcanoJen]

9. Sen. Graham: "I want to prepare the public. The worst is yet to come."

He's referring to the video. Holy crap.

I've never liked Graham, but damn if he isn't doing a good job up there.

"Have you seen the photos? Have you seen the video? Did it dawn on you when you saw the photos, what was about to happen?"

[trof]

11. Lindsay Graham up, with Boy Scout haircut.

Not cutting slack, yet.
Want's to see higher up than privates and sargeants prosecuted.

[Thrill]

15. This administration is digusting

UNREAL their secrecy

[frank frankly]

24. Dude, LINDSEY IS HOT.

I LIKE THIS MOTHERFUCKER, AT THIS MOMENT, VERY MUCH

capitals are because he is being tight and aggressive and pissed

[maddezmom]

12. Lt Smith saw the photos in March

so why hasn't anyone else looked at them?

[maddezmom]

19. Gen Myers his focus of the photos was on the troops in Iraq

NOT on the ABUSE or Torture??

[xchrom]

25. hear no evil see no evil?

[berner59]

31. Meyers is full of shit...

He said he was concerned the photos would put our troops in harms way...bullshit!! This was a coverup!!!

[proud patriot]

14. Rummy blasts leak of Photos "Illegal leak of photos to the press"

only illegal in a dictatorship Bastard :grr:

[HereSince1628]

23. Of course, torture is bad, the public knowing about it is worse

[frank frankly]

16. Lindsey is ALL BUSINESS. FAST QUESTIONS. ON TARGET.

we're going to get some dates here.

[r_u_stuck2]

21. He's got his lawyer hat on.

[VolcanoJen]

33. And, he's a damned good lawyer. Excellent, excellent questioning.

He asks simple questions, and moves right down the line to be sure he addresses everyone at that desk.

I'm impresssed.

[rumguy]

He is a good questioner, far better than most Senators

[Erratic]

18. Gen. Smith

General Smith looks scared. Is that the face of guilt?

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. No is the sudden realization that HE may

face a general court martial.... and Myers is starting to look scared too

[Aries]

49. I would prefer a military tribunal

with Bush and Cheney as his co-defendants.

[kentuck]

79. Unfortunately we have a Constitution that requires civilian control....

over the military. We cannot permit the military to try themselves in situations such as these. They answer to us - through our representatives. That is the law.

[nadinbrzezinski]

Oh the IMT comes to mind

but, he may face a General Court Martial, but those hgher than him, we are running out of Generals, in fact he may have to face the International Court...

[Solly Mack]

20. Lot of enlisted in South Carolina who would also be angry if only enlisted

were prosecuted

Graham....dang! You go boy!

[trof]

32. Bingo! Lots of military in his state.

[Postman]

22. They didn't bother to tell the Congress about the abuse back in Jan or Feb

n/t

[frank frankly]

26. oh boy, myers just fucked up bad

lindsey is going fast.

[maddezmom]

42. Myers was in coverup mode and he admits it n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

47. Details? I'm counting on you folks...

[MallRat]

28. Graham still a Lt. Col. in USAF Reserves.

This must have touched a nerve in him.

[Oddman]

29. So, they KNEW about the photos in January!

And they never wanted to see them even though they were described to them????? Are they kidding?????? Obviously bush knew about this . . .

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

34. GO GRAHAM!!!

Take no prisoners!!!

on edit - mistook him for Lindsey 9just turned it on streaming CSPAN)

[Richardo]

39. Articles of Impeachment for Rummy?!?

Wooooo!

[CrownPrinceBandar]

60. I have already written both of my Senators...........

requesting them to ask for Rumsfeld's resignation. A wiser man than me said that "the fish rots from the head first." Folks, meet the fish-head.

[kaitykaity]

35. Graham: "I'll be disappointed of we only charge privates

and sargeants."

Right on.

OMG, I like a Republican. Eeeewwwwww.

[r_u_stuck2]

41. Someday he will be a Presidential candidate

He is aware of this and is conducting himself accordingly.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

36. To Rummy: "what do you say to people calling for your resignation?"

[HereSince1628]

43. Long long pauses...in resignation answer...me thinks it's in the works

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. If I was not effective I'd resign in a minute

would anybody care to deliver the memo: He is no longer effective

He has not been for months, but that is another matter.

People are making political statements

Rummy may you rot in the tenth circle of hell

[HereSince1628]

62. Effectiveness to be determined by Congress, People, or PNAC?

[frank frankly]

37. Lindsey just told him that people are writing articles of impeachment

against Rummy.

Lindsey is tight. He is pissed.

[PaDUer]

45. Won't resign

people trying to make POLITICAL ISSUE out of it!!! There, he said it..lolol...scumbag!

[The empressof all]

70. I will call it here and now

Rummy will begin to rapidly have health issues and will resign within 3 months--anyone want to start a pool

[xchrom]

53. for now

but lindsey won'r break ranks with bushco. and that includes rummy.

[Snellius]

38. Is Graham the only lawyer?

I know he was a military lawyer. He's the only one that knows how to ask questions?

[Postman]

40. Graham: why didn't you guys give us a heads-up so we could spin it?

the repubs are upset they couldn't control the situation due to this administrations secrecy.

The underlining message here is that -- We in the Congress will cover your ass in doing illegal things, but we can't do that if you guys keep EVERYTHING secret...

[VolcanoJen]

Rummy: If I felt I could not be effective, I'd resign in a minute!

Well, then, what the fuck are you waiting for, Donnie??

[VolcanoJen]

Rummy sez Photos have been DOCTORED to suit the public's taste!!!

What in the fuck??

[Kagemusha]

44. You know who we really need asking questions here?

Samuel L. Jackson.

I rest my case.

[SayitAintSo]

46. Lindsay should know about impeachment ... since he led the charge on a BJ

[readmylips]

48. Rumbutt knows shit...Graham...a surprise

can't answer any direct question. Doesn't know who's in charge of the Contractors. Franks is answering all his questions.

Graham up: Saying more photos coming and worse to come. General Smith, when did you see the photos...when did you see the photos? Graham being stuff...that's a new one. Myers didn't want the photos on ABC but had not seen them. Myers said, many people in the Pentagon knew about the photos but he had not seen the photos. They felt that maybe the photos would not be pubished...Karma..Karma.

[Oddman]

51. Rummy claims photos were doctored . . .

Right!!

[SuffragetteSal]

61. "to fit certain people's taste"!

what the heck...then claims he only saw the undoctored real photos last night...right. He is a big fat liar! He needs to resign, if he was a man he would..

[kayell]

52. I never, NEVER thought I would be proud to have Lindsey Graham

as a senator from my state. My head is spinning.

[Richardo]

55. Now THAT is non-partisan!

Good man! (today) :)

[SayitAintSo]

75. It's going to take a lot more to make up for what he did to Clinton

For me ... but that's just me....

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

54. LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF!!!!!

[VolcanoJen]

57. Last night, my ass. He's just another Lying Liar.

:mad:

[Richardo]

59. Followed by 5 minutes of backpedaling...

Followed by "January 16th with everyone else"

[No2W2004]

56. when did you tell the president?

Rummy: I Don't know

[Katarina]

77. the more appropriate question

would have been...When did you tell the VICE-president.

[VolcanoJen]

63. Q: When did you first tell the President? A: I don't know.

Rummy: We meet with the president all the time. I just don't recall.

:mad:

[Richardo]

"What did you say?" "I'm not telling."

:grr:

[VolcanoJen]

68. Myers: President knew in late JANUARY or early FEBRUARY

Folks, the President has officially been thrown under the bus.

[maddezmom]

64. What did the president say when he was informed?

rummy won't say...falling on the sword big time.

[maddezmom]

76. How does the president want to be informed of matter like this?

answer....pretty much the non-answer is bush* doesn't want to know.

[TeeYiYi]

65. "I don't keep notes about what I do" . . .

. . . Rummy is a liar.

These guys aren't going to be able to shield the pretzeldent from the fact that he knew back in January.

TYY

[Wind Dancer]

66. He's covering for *

[proud patriot]

67. Rumsfeld "if there was a failure it was me"

Quote of the Day ....Sound Bite

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. A personal failure since I failed to keep this

covered up... Lord this man makes me sick


IMT again comes to mind

He knows he is fucked up folks, he knows it

[Oddman]

71. WHEN DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW??????

WHEN???????

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

72. 1 dimensional???????????

He's fucking insane!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

73. CRUMBLE TIME!!!!

[Solly Mack]

74. Well, golly, gee, Senator.."what do we owe him?" (a president)

in regards to knowledge/information "so he can do his job?"

[No2W2004]

78. This is bullshit

The only thing Rummy is upset or sorry about is that those damn pictures got out. He didn't give a damn about the report in Jan. It became a problem when the pictures were gonna be out.

EDIT sp

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

80. You pick and choose shit that isn't scandolous and embarasing - DICK!

[frank frankly]

81. What is Dole going to do? JOE LIEBERMAN WAS THE WORST EVER

i think dole may ask some real questions. maybe.

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. Agter that speech straight from FAUX News, Don't think so

unless she is preparing a trap

[Oddman]

90. Don't count on it

She is making a pro Iraq war speech.

[Richardo]

92. Nope. Bush/Cheney campaign ad.

bla bla bla

[frank frankly]

95. Dole is REVOLTING. Fuck her. She is saying we freed 50 million people

gawd. ha ha ha ha. i can only laugh at her.

unless she turns it on quick, she is shit. nothing done with her 5 minutes. terra!

[Plaid Adder]

82. OK, so let me get this straight. According to Rummy,

the fact that the abuses were taking place wasn't a problem.

The fact that there was VISUAL PROOF that the abuses were taking place is a HUGE problem.

I mean if you listen to him that's what's obvious. He's only upset or agitated when he talks about the fact that he didn't realize there were pictures out there. The fact that this was goign to be a huge PR problem is the ONLY THING HE CARES ABOUT.

He is PURE EVIL.

:argh:

The Plaid Adder

[CrownPrinceBandar]

94. Yup....

He's more upset that they got caught. I've always got the feeling that Rummy could give two-shits about the hearts and minds of the Iraqis (and the Americans too).

[lebkuchen]

83. Rummy's taking a pass: I don't remember, I don't know, I was too busy

to know.

Just like Nurnburg.

[spotbird]

84. Rumsfeld really thinks the problem is that the photographs were

leaked. It hasn't hit him yet, and may never, that the problem is the abuse. He is really stuck on how this would not be an issue but for the public release, which makes him one sick person. Isn't this kind of justification an indicator of a psychopath?

[lebkuchen]

85. Rummy's taking a pass: I don't remember, I don't know, I was too busy

to know.

Just like Nurnburg.

[Wind Dancer]

87. WTF is Dole doing?

Grandstanding, she is making me sick.

[SuffragetteSal]

Dole gets an :"A" for her essay

she must have stayed up all night writing this one...

[TeeYiYi]

"Oh my. There are just soooooooooooo many things . . .

. . . thousands of things. I don't take notes on what I do." We just don't know what we should tell the pretzeldent.

For gawds sake. If this didn't rate as something to tell his pretzeldentness . . . what the hell would? BTW, I don't believe they didn't tell him. They did. Rummy's just trying to pretend that there is a chance that he didn't tell him. After all, he doesn't take notes.

TYY

[0007]

88. Holy Moly I thought for a moment that I was watching Tammy Fay Baker

Liz Dole is a real shill for the party

[myrna minx]

89. Libby Dole reads an essay. Iraq is in great shape!

Thanks Libby! <sarcasm>

[gulfcoastliberal]

98. "Hearts and Minds"

They never go off their fucking script, do they? Goosestepping Busheviks.

[Thrill]

100. I still am boggled that

she beat Erskine Bowles. Despite the way he kicked her ass in debates and made her look clueless most of time

[Postman]

91. Dole: the actions of a few don't reflect an evil in the rest of us..

(paraphrase)

couldn't the same thing be said about the 911 hijackers?

Yet the US invades Iraq with innocents killed, based on lies, because of the actions of a few.

[Solly Mack]

101. ooooooooh!!! You're applying logic and reason!!!

Bad Postman, Bad Postman!!!

[SayitAintSo]

93. Liddy Dole ... pontificating .... Yawn ..... using up most of her time

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

96. DOLE _ LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES!!!!!!!!

[lovedems]

97. Elizabeth Dole sucks.

She is going to spend her 6 minutes reminding everyone about the wonderful military leadership! LOL!

I guess she hasn't realized that it is a fucked up mess over there because of the leadership.

[proud patriot]

99. please continue in thread 7 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1549701

[frank frankly]

102. why can't Rummy say reparations? legalese...?

POS scumbag.