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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:02 AM
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There are MORE pictures? Let me
get this straight. We go to Iraq because Saddam has all these WMD and when these aren't found, Bush "rationalizes" this invasion with "oh, the Iraqi people are better off" since Saddam had tortured his people and now these despicable pictures...

Bush HAS run out of excuses for his war. If this had been Clinton the repubs would have already had him impeached...what a bunch of hypocrits! :mad:

I keep wondering HOW MUCH MORE will have to happen under this administration before most of America wakes up to the incompetence of the President. :shrug:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:03 AM
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1. there are thousands of them
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:13 AM
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3. THOUSANDS???????????????
Edited on Thu May-06-04 09:14 AM by devrc243
I have been trying to keep up with this story and last I heard (which was on Hardball last night) that it was just a few pictures. I wake up this morning to Matt talking to McCain about a few more pictures...WHY ARE THESE PICTURES JUST NOW COMING OUT??? I am so disgusted by these pictures and I am PISSED that we haven't known about this earlier.

This is such a tragedy for the Arab world. There is no tuning back from what may happen to us now :mad: Bush needs to go......this is unacceptable and inexcusable...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:40 AM
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Edited on Thu May-06-04 09:41 AM by saigon68

new photos

The article said the collection included more than 1,000 photos and were taken from the summer of 2003 through the winter. The Post did not publish them all, saying it could not be certain that some of the images weren't staged.

According to The Post, the photos were taken by digital cameras and loaded onto compact discs, which circulated among soldiers in an Army Reserve unit based in Maryland. The pictures were seized by military investigators probing conditions at Abu Ghraib, a source close to the unit was quoted as telling the newspaper
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:43 AM
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:09 AM
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2. i am with you
how much more. i dont know. we will see. we know bush will never make a good choice,. has yet to do it, and is not a "deep thinker" so inevitable he will continue to f* up

we will see just what it takes. i am going ot go out in the word and start asking all the zillions of repugs in my area, to get a feel. have kept mouth shut for way to long. want to get a feel
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:15 AM
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4. & a video coming of u.s. soldiers raping an iraqi boy
i kid you not. supposedly being exposed soon. read it in a british newspaper regarding british soldiers doing similar shit
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roscoeroscoe Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:18 AM
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6. it's the screw the ragheads attitude
absolutely sick.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:19 AM
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7. please no...
Just reading in Maureen Dowd's column this morning about an elderly Iraqi woman being naked with a harness put on her and soldiers riding her like a donkey makes my skin crawl...

This is so horrific...this will sink Bush and maybe our country...
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:19 AM
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8. IIRC it's not a 'soldier'
but a mercenary.

which, if possible, is worse.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:31 AM
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10. you know
this explains alot. It's no wonder why they did what they did to those guys in Falluja ( by no means am I saying these guys were responsible for any of these atrocities)It's becoming increasing clear why they (Iraqis) reacted the way they did to these guys...
just a thought...looks like a lot more to come... :puke:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:17 AM
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5. If Bremmer had to have this much security

What's it gonna take for this guy

Bush's Terrorist: John Negroponte Sent to Iraq

Iraqi ambassador pick grilled on hand-over

By Steven Weisman
The New York Times

WASHINGTON -- President Bush's nominee for ambassador to Iraq on Tuesday defended the limits that would be placed on Iraqi self-rule, particularly those on control over security forces, asserting that after June 30 Iraqis will have "a lot more sovereignty than they have right now."
Facing skeptical questions about the new constraints emerging in the long-planned transfer of power before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the nominee, John Negroponte, said he saw his major challenge as trying to avert conflicts if the new Iraqi government objected to U.S. military actions. "These are the kinds of questions that I think our diplomacy is going to have to deal with," said Negroponte, who is now ambassador to the United Nations.
The toughest questions came from Democrats, but all the senators said they would support Negroponte's confirmation, which the committee could approve on Thursday. Senate aides said Negroponte could be confirmed by the full Senate as early as next week.
Negroponte said that any decisions on whether to attack rebel strongholds, as the United States is threatening now in Fallujah and Najaf, would require "great political sensitivity" even though American s will nominally be in charge of such decisions.

Bush's Terrorist: John Negroponte Sent to Iraq

Dems Ignore Negroponte's Death Squad Past, Look to Confirm Iraq Appointmen

As Negroponte, responded to Hagel, he was interrupted by an activist, Andres Conteris of Non-violence International.

Andres Conteris, is program director for Latin America and the Caribbean for the human rights group Non-violence International. He disrupted yesterday's Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on John Negroponte's appointment as US ambassador to Iraq.

As ambassador to Honduras, Negroponte played a key role in coordinating US covert aid to the Contra death squads in Nicaragua and shoring up a CIA-backed death squad in Honduras. During his term as ambassador there, diplomats alleged that the embassy's annual human rights reports made Honduras sound more like Norway than Argentina. In a 1995 series, the Baltimore Sun detailed the activities of a secret CIA-trained Honduran army unit, Battalion 3-16, that used "shock and suffocation devices in interrogations. Prisoners often were kept naked and, when no longer useful, killed and buried in unmarked graves." In 1994, Honduras's National Commission for the Protection of Human Rights reported that it was officially admitted that 179 civilians were still missing.

A former official who served under Negroponte says he was ordered to remove all mention of torture and executions from the draft of his 1982 report on the human rights situation in Honduras. During Negroponte's tenure, US military aid to Honduras skyrocketed from $3.9 million to over $77 million. Much of this went to ensure the Honduran army's loyalty in the battle against popular movements throughout Central America.

Bush's Terrorist: John Negroponte Sent to Iraq

Negroponte's "embassy" in Baghdad will, according to press reports, constitute the largest US "embassy staff" in the world with some 3000 employees, including up to 1,000 Americans.

Yet according to a four-part series in the Baltimore Sun in 1995, in 1982 alone the Honduran press ran 318 stories of murders and kidnappings by the Honduran military.

Opponents of Negroponte are demanding that all Senators read the full report before voting on his nomination.
In a cruel irony, the Bush administration has appointed a bona fide "terrorist" to wage its "war on terrorism" in Iraq.

It should come as no surprise that "on the day he was appointed to Iraq, Honduras decided to bring its troops in Iraq home." (Financial Times, April 21, 2004)

Face-off: Bush's Foreign Policy Warriors

On August 27, 1997, CIA Inspector General Frederick P. Hitz released a 211-page classified report entitled "Selected Issues Relating to CIA Activities in Honduras in the 1980's." This report was partly declassified on Oct. 22, 1998, in response to demands by the Honduran human rights ombudsman. Opponents of Negroponte are demanding that all Senators read the full report before voting on his nomination.

Reich, unlike Negroponte, is primarily a lobbyist and anti-Castro activist rather than a diplomat. He is director of the Washington-based Center for a Free Cuba and works for some of America's favorite industries: liquor (Bacardi), tobacco (British-American Tobacco), and weapons (Lockheed Martin). He also serves as vice-chairman of the Worldwide Responsible Apparel Program, or WRAP, an apparel industry-backed group characterized by union activists as an artifice for clothing importers to avoid serious scrutiny of their factories in developing countries.

In the 1980s, he headed a propaganda department in the State Department called the Office of Public Diplomacy. This unit, staffed with CIA and Pentagon psychological warfare specialists, reported to Oliver North. The function of the operation was to win support for administration policy in Central America. They wrote op-eds under the name of Nicaraguan rebel leaders and attacked those who differed with Reagan's policies. The Congressional investigation of the Iran-contra scandal identified numerous illegalities which led to the closure of the Office of Public Diplomacy.

Reich followed up these activities by serving as ambassador to Venezuela from 1986-89, at the height of the Iran-contra scandal. The Venezuelan government tried unsuccessfully to block his nomination.

While working for Bacardi, he successfully lobbied to slip Section 211 into the 1998 Omnibus Appropriations Bill, thus stripping Cuba of trademark protection. Ironically, he will be overseeing the Helms-Burton Act, which he helped to draft, which the administration has just decided not to carry into effect.

NEGROPONTE - Sleeping Ambassador or Death Squad Diplomat?

The widespread use of American aerial surveillance to direct the Contra murderers to villages where only women and children were present to be killed, the routine use of torture, the encouragement of drug-smuggling into the U.S. to provide funding for the U.S.-backed forces all were revealed only after Negroponte had left his post as U.S. Ambassador to the Honduras. And who could forget the Honduran Anti-communist Liberation Army's ever popular practice of dropping victims from helicopters while they were in flight?

Make no mistake about it -- both Iraqi rebels and Al Qaeda terrorists see Negroponte's appointment as the first stage in implementing a policy of covert violence against their right to sovereignty and will effectively use it to recruit and incite radicals to commit more acts of violence against us. It's no coincidence that our Office of Homeland Security issued a heightened security alert just as Bush announced his plans for Negroponte.

US Martyrs Pose Questions for Negroponte
October 28, 2003

US nuns murdered in El Salvador 4

In 1981, a couple of decades before Rachel Corrie was murdered, the bodies of four women were found in a shallow grave in a rural district not far from San Salvador, El Salvador's capital. They had been raped and shot dead by members of the Salvadoran army on the orders of senior officers. In the context of the time, the atrocity would hardly have merited reporting. But the women were United States citizens. Two were religious sisters of the New York based Maryknoll order, Ita Ford and Maureen Clarke. One was an Ursuline Sister, Dorothy Kazel, the fourth a lay missioner, Jean Donovan. By virtue of their nationality, the story did make the news, just--the back page of the New York Times, to that paper's eternal shame.

Those four women had helped defend Salvadorans from the terror unleashed against their own people by the Salvadoran government with support from the United States administrations of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. They gave their lives working alongside vulnerable people and communities in El Salvador. The murders followed the assassination in 1980 of Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero. The women's deaths were manipulated by the US government and its ever-pliant news media. The full facts took years to emerge. US ambassador to the UN, Jean Kirkpatrick, falsely accused the women of having supported the Salvadoran armed opposition, the FMLN. In fact, the four women were passionate advocates of non-violence, accompanying the rural villagers they served while caught up in a violent civil war.

Ambassador Kirkpatrick's statements on the case of the four women were to be expected from an unrepentant supporter of the bloodthirsty Argentinian military dictatorship. Her successor at the UN was Vernon Walters, former deputy director of the CIA, co-organiser of the continent wide terrorist blueprint Plan Condor and promoter of Ronald Reagan's terrorist war against Nicaragua. In 1986 Vernon Walters threw in the face of the UN his government's rejection of the International Court of Justice verdict convicting the US of terrorism against Nicaragua.

Kirkpatrick's and Walters' apologetics for mass murder helped John Negroponte, then US ambassador to Honduras, cover up his support for the systematic forced disappearances used to destroy Honduran civilian opposition to the presence of Contra bases in their country. Thomas Pickering, US ambassador to El Salvador at the time, also gave misleading information on local army and paramilitary murders, probably an essential qualification for his subsequent posting in 1989 as US ambassador to the UN, taking over from Vernon Walters.

Jean Kirkpatrick, Vernon Walters, Thomas Pickering, John Negroponte and other US government representatives sent clear signals that the local military in El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala were to be allowed a free hand by the United States government to murder tens of thousands of civilians and anyone who spoke out against the slaughter. Perhaps the defining climax to the sickening murder campaign came in 1989 when the Salvadoran army killed six Jesuit academics and two of their domestic staff at the University of Central America in San Salvador. These crimes were made possible because the United States government consistently tried to conceal its institutional role in funding, training and supporting the military and paramilitary perpetrators. The Iran-Contra scandal was the culmination of that sustained program of regional deceit.

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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:19 AM
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9. Correction: The 1000s of pictures are not all
pics. showing abuse. The torture pics. are contained among 1000s of digital pics. obtained by the Was. Post.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:45 AM
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13. Welcome Charlie 105

How many Military Thugs and how many Abused POW's are in this Photo?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 09:52 AM
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14. Actually if Clinton had done this WE would have impeached him n/t
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:02 AM
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15. well said
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