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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:25 PM
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check out the cover of this German newsweekly....
Der Speigel ("The Mirror"), popular German newsmagzine.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,350584,00.jpg


Headine..."The Torturers of Baghdad".

Yep, famous all over town.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:27 PM
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1. I'm so proud to be a Murkan
aren't you?

How did The United States of America become so thoroughly fascist so quickly?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:33 PM
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6. We are not quite there yet
but this cover is very much Time Magazine's article
back in 1929 describing the Nazis as boy scouts... who
would ammount to nothing.

The horror and all of us reacting is actually good and will
hopefully stop this madness
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:16 PM
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20. I hope you are right
I am less sure this will stop anytime soon

I'm also not sure that either our horror or our responses will have any effect at all.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 07:55 AM
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26. How did we get there?
"We" sat on our asses in the face of a coup.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:27 PM
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2. I don't need to make a comment us Liberals are telekinetic...
about this one. Peace unto them
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:27 PM
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3. wow. that is huge - der spiegel is the biggest news mag in Dland
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:30 PM
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5. I'm just waiting to see the Sterns next issue...
Its already on their website, and Stern does real, er, graphic photo spreads of stuff like this.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:27 PM
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4. it's the new 'crucifixion'
the new symbol of oppression and imperial nazi dominance
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:37 PM
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7. anyone have Spiegel cover with W as Rambo??
have it in my picture file but do not know how to put it up here
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:48 PM
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9. Just some examples...
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,333910,00.jpg
Will America get democratic again?

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,246775,00.jpg

The secret special troops of the USA

You can choose all of their titles from recent years on this webpage:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/titelbilder/0,1518,jahr-2003,00.html

This magazine always tried to be Germany's "Times Magazine". It's about the most influential weekly magazine in Germany.
I'm not exactly a fan of them, but I'm an evil leftist anyway...

Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:53 PM
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11. wow, that's enough to get me reading in German again
I love their covers. In the above, they capture the fatuous expression of duh-bya perfectly.


Cher
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:38 PM
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8. Frankly, this is embarrasing....
...I would hate to be an American in Germany now...

(and, sadly enough, my parents both are!).
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:56 PM
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13. As evil and stupid and racist as we still might be...
Americans still belong to the master race:-), even in Germany.


There might be some diehard Anti-Americans, as there always were Anti-Americans in Germany, but the good news might be: among those, especially on the left in Germany, who oppose the political system in the USA and Bush the most, you will not find any kind of Anti-Americanism. Did your parents experience any kind of racism here in Germany, because of the war against Iraq or Bush?
I guess, if I would have to chose, I would prefer being a wealthy republican in Germany, instead of being an immigrant from Iraq.

Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:01 PM
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15. I dont know yet
Did your parents experience any kind of racism here in Germany, because of the war against Iraq or Bush?

They are visiting relatives, and will be returning next weekend. I will ask them about this. I know they would prefer to avoid political discussion, but I would expect there may be some discussion about this
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:50 PM
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10. that photo is so memorable
It will be "the" photo that symbolizes this war.

Think of all it symbolizes. A man with a hood over his head. Cannot see. That could just as well be the U.S. Yet he is wired...wired to explode if he "falls" from his tenuous foundation.


Cher
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:56 PM
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12. Its the Klan -style hood thats so wierd...
....thats sort of creepy, too, when you think of it...or is like a dunce cap?
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:11 PM
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17. You got it...
Never thought of it, but that's exactly the somehow iconographic content of this picture.
I'm impressed.
Dirk
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:15 PM
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21. The picture is incredible-- seems so sinister, almost supernatural...
I'm reminded of the Salem Witch trials when I see it. May the world forgive us for what the Bushistas have wrought...
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:59 PM
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14. Spiegel is a like a good version of Time
Their covers are always spot-on...

The one a couple posts up is looking for is Der Bushkrieger... I have a physical one upstairs, but no actual pic to post :(
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:09 PM
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16. Here's the cover....
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:12 PM
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18. I like that preztel on the chain...
...nice touch!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 07:33 AM
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23. ouch!! thanks for pointing that out
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 07:36 AM
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24. here is a bigger/better version
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Atlas Mugged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:16 PM
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19. That picture completely freaks me out
And I have all of Joel Peter Witkin's art books, so that's saying a lot.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 07:27 AM
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22. Gotta get me some of those Canada t-shirts ... the ones with...
... a huge red maple leaf and with Canada in large letters.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 07:50 AM
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25. Germany- Land of tolerance?
Ask the 1.5 million Turks if Germany has any moral superiority over the U.S.

I think that Germany should know better than to brand the U.S. with the actions of a few Americans as they have had to overcome the negative images of the actions of a minority of neo-nazis and skinheads who harrassed foreigners and opposed the influx of work visa immigrants a few years back.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 07:57 AM
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27. The torture was carried out by agents of the US Government.
Yes, there are neo-nazis & skinheads in Germany. But they don't represent the German people as a whole. And the Germans haven't invaded another country recently.

Been there, done that, learned the lesson.





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