On torture what you all CAN DO right NOW

[nadinbrzezinski]

DEMAND ACTION FROM CONGRESS

Yes we need to have several things happen.

1.- The troops and general directely responsible MUST be tried in a very open Court Martial... with cameras present... yes Arab Network Cameras, this will ONLY BLUNT the consequences

2.- The Army claims that Titan and other Mercenary personnel is not subject to the UCMJ. (Yet they have inserted themselves in the chain of command) Fine, as the occupying power we must TURN THEM OVER to Iraqi Law enforcement, as we are to ENFORCE Iraqi National Law... as part of our obligations as an Occupying power. Demand such from Congress... remind them of those obligations. Too bad that the penalty for rape in the arab world is the death penalty (and on principle I do not like the death penalty btw)

3.- Demand that congress draft a bill RETURNING all military functions that have been privatized to the Miltiary. Yep, supply in private hands is not working, and neither is Intelligence.

4.- Demand that hearings are run in Congress (don't expect this to hapepn for the time being but demand it nonetheless) askign the question... what did Chief of Staff Myers knew and when he kenw it... it goes for the rest of the JCS. Oh and given that both WOlfowitz and Rumsfeld inspected that prison, same question, what did they know and when did they know it?

5.- Bear witness, write to the papers, and write often, and DEMAND the news media cover this to the full extent, regardless where this leads.

Remmeber, at this point we still can ask these questions, but if we do not, when they come for us, nobody will rise their voice in protest.

[Failure]

1. I only wish Kerry would say exactly what you've written...nt

[corporatewhore]

2. the abu ghraib mentality starts at home...

My friend (palestinian american) is seriously considering moving outta the states she was at the airport stripsearched, she was felt up,her belongings were ripped out of her luggage and she was treated like a terrorist.She said she is way too old (60 something) for that kind of disrespect and humiliation. i imagine if the security guards who man handled her were in that type of enviro they would do the same thing

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. That is why all of us have to take a stand

I am a daughter of the holocaust... why do you think I have been fighitng them bastards so hard? NEVER AGAIN does have a very personal meaning for me.

The problem is that it is very comfortable NOT to take stands and remain safe. Let your friend know that not all of us hate her guts for who or what she is... in fact some of us are very willing to embrace her in our common humanity.

Now there is a nugget of what you said that is very true...

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i imagine if the security guards who man handled her were in that type of enviro they would do the same thing

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Remember this when you judge those TSA guards, or the soldiers... ALL OF US are capable of the most horrible things in the right circumstances. That is one of the lessons of history. And keeping
the animals in check is hard work.

I also worked for ten years as a medic with the Red Cross, no, not the American Red Cross... and I have seen some things that actually made me look at those photos and go... hmmm I have seen this before, why am I not shocked? wonderful...NOT

Now I am heartened that people are reacting with horror, we have hope. If people had not been horrified... then it would be time to bury MY HEAD in the sand while filing paperwork to leave the country. So we still have some hope.

But being horrified is not enough... start pestering your congress critters like yesterday

[MSgt213]

3. The military can't supply, feed or do it's own laundry. All the personnel

they had to do those jobs are gone. That's just a few that have been cut due personnel cuts. It would take the military at least 3 years to draft, train and educate enough people to do those jobs if we had a draft. Using an all volunteer force it would probably take a lot longer because they are just making their goals now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Oh we both know that

but we still need to demand this...

The method on how to get from point a to point b, I will leave to personnel

And by the way... we are barely meeting commitments through fuzzy math... I know this for a fact, from a recruiter.

Our goal for the month was 100, you mean we only got 90, I mean our goal was 90, see we met goal.

Yep go ahead and call me cynical

[MSgt213]

6. Yea I meant to make that point and also the number who are qualified

and go through all the processing is still different from the number that actually ship to boot camp and even different still from the number who actually graduate from boot camp and report to their first job training school.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. And it all comes out in the wash

doesn't it?

As part of what I did for the Red Cross, out of every 40 person class, we were lucky when we graduated 20. Yep our atrition rate was very high, and they were motivated.

Of course when training goes beyond medical training but includes basic fire fighting, and intro course into the laws of land warfare and the Geneva Convention....

Many who could not hack it with us ended up with teams who only required the medical training... then again they never ended being shot at...so it has a benefit I guess.

[drfemoe]

8. Thank You!!

This cannot go away .. Hiring torture thugs is UNACCEPTABLE.

"There were a small number of prisoners at Abu Ghraib who are of interest to CIA, and a small number of CIA officers would periodically visit the prison to interrogate them," the official said.

"But I don't know of anything which connects us to those particularly ugly photos," the official said.

The CIA inspector general was continuing an investigation into the death of the one prisoner who had been interrogated by CIA officers, the official said.

"One prisoner at that prison who we were talking to did die, and so there is an ongoing IG investigation about why did that guy die," the official said. "But I don't have anything to connect us to the ugliness that went on there."

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5019005