Do you think the Iraqis are seeing these torture pictures today?

[Joanne98]

Isn't there sexual abuse. Is Arab TV showing that? Because if they are, we're screwed. That's just my opinion. What do you think?

[trumad]

1. Every Arab on Earth has seen them!

I wonder how many decided to become Suicide Bombers today!

[ihaveaquestion]

2. If we're seeing them, then Al Jezeerza has them.

-edit-

They aren't up on their website yet. Probably will be soon, though.

http://english.aljazeera.net/

[David__77]

3. Where's a link?

I would like to see them and my friends would too.

[Joanne98]

6. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x518039#518039

[Iceburg]

7. Thar ya go

Saddam is now looking like a saint by most standards
The "ceasefire/massacre" in Fallujah; the rape and torture of prisoners in Abu Ghraib and other prisons in Iraq. Only "God/Bush" knows whats going on in Guantonamo Bay???

While 50% of Americans sponsor these activities, the other 50% are content to blame "this Administration". At some point we have to ask ourselves -- Is attributing blame really enough?

No one can terrorize a whole nation,

unless we are all his accomplices.

Edward R. Murrow

[Joanne98]

12. picture number two

Is cut off. In the thread I posted, it shows another Iraqi being forced to give him a BJ. Does anybody have that picture? The whole one?

[funkybutt]

48. it was simulated

pretty sure the guys had bags on their heads. the bj was simulated

not that that's not sick...just stating what i saw

[northernsoul]

27. the sick bastards who did this

have just signed the death warrants for any American who falls into the hands of the (sure to be growing) insurgency.
My understanding of Arab culture is that this kind of intense humiliation can only be undone by bloody vengance. hell, if I saw photos of an foreign occupier doing this to Americans, I'd probably be so enraged that I'd do whatever it took just to get some payback.

[Joanne98]

4. Isn't homosexuality a big sin in Islam?

You get stoned to death or something. Isn't the Arab street going to lose it over that one picture? You know which one.

[DrWeird]

5. Just like it is in christianity.

Just imagine what would happen if CNN showed video of US prisoners of war being raped.

[Joanne98]

8. Don't they still have US hostages.

The Brown and Root guys. I'd hate to be them today.

[DrWeird]

11. No kidding.

There will probably be a lot more troops captured now too. I wonder if this is part of the reason the US retreated from Fallujah.

[Tellurian]

18. I'll bet the Iraqi had these pictures a month ago..

and the reason why in the month of April our soldier mortalities have been the highest since the War started.

So, the wholesale slaughter of our sons and daughters is the direct result of the Bush Administration's preoccupation with broadening it's Executive Powers enabling them to declare US Citizens Enemy Combatants, and renewing the Patriot's Act.

[bowens43]

9. Seeing them? They're living them.......

abuse is probably way more common then we are lead to believe. We won't see the truth or anything approaching it in the US media.

[BlueEyedSon]

10. Our POWs/hostages are toast.

[DrWeird]

14. Maybe.

The Iraqis now have the moral high ground. Let's hope they're more ethical then us.

[plurality]

13. I don't think they need to see the photos

They get to live it and experience it first hand. Remember, some of these prisoners that were tortured were eventually released and got to tell everyone what happened to them.

Why else would they be killing soldiers left and right?

[Joanne98]

15. But there's always the Iraqis who don't believe it.

Until they see it. Just like here. Didn't they lose the debate today?

[plurality]

16. I think the Iraqis that didn't believe were only a small percentage

Say around 5-10%, and those are the ones we've already bought off so I doubt it'll make a difference to them. They could see photos of US troops randomly executing Iraqi kids in the street and they'd still support the occupation because they're getting rich off it.

As for the people here, the ones who already knew this was fucked up will have their ideas reinforced, and the brainwashed fools who support this idiocy will just dismiss it or ignore it. In fact I'm surprise I haven't already heard claims that the photos are fake (re the Lcpl. with the kids saying he killed their dad and knocked up their sister)

[Ripley]

20. Sorry, but yes there's a troll here saying just that.

The pics are fake...or only a few "bad apples" humiliating prisoners it said in another thread here.

[Joanne98]

22. Who?

n/t

[Ripley]

25. Here.

Post 7.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1494558&mesg_id=1494558

[Joanne98]

26. I think he got his name removed

One less troll :)

[plurality]

31. A sad sign of the times

Expect the worst of people and someone will prove you right every time.

[Bread and Circus]

17. What the hell is going on? I haven't heard any of this....

These pictures are disgusting. Are these U.S. soldiers
humiliating other human beings?

[Name removed]

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[Bread and Circus]

29. No, why are people still trying to put words in my mouth?

I think that's quite unfair to me and I am actually
personally offended, probably for the first time ever
on DU.

[DrWeird]

33. But you did advocate rape. And you defended your own words.

So I'll drop the issue now, if you state you were wrong and that you no longer advocate the rape of prisoners under any circumstances.

[Bread and Circus]

37. No, I didn't advocate rape and I find your line of attack as....

stalking. Please stop.

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

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[Jacobin]

45. Doctors, DOCTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Settle down.

This exchange is very unprofessional.

[Joanne98]

21. Apparently

The Pentagon is saying it goes against their training. I'm beginning to wonder if the opposite is true. You know how good psy-ops is. Maybe this is the training? It is in "The School of the Americas". Isn't it?

[DrWeird]

23. One of the seventeen is a brigadier general.

What do you suppose that means?

[Tellurian]

32. One of the court marshalled supervisors said:

After he was arrested, someone handed him The Geneva Convention's Law for Prisoner Detention. Which is a brief on basic expectations of human decency and respect for other human beings when taken prisoners of War.

Ouch, just remembered, Rumy said they were detainees, not POWs.

[Tellurian]

24. Just like so many hadn't heard of or seen the magnitude of coffins

shipping home.

The Iraqi pictures are definitely within the realm of War Crimes.

What a disgrace to our country!

[Iceburg]

40. Yes familydoctor

US soldiers torturing other human beings and by their actions putting their fellow soldier lives in jeopardy.

[Minstrel Boy]

28. Probably more than Americans are seeing the photos. n/t

[Joanne98]

34. Do you think?

I was just telling a friend last night that I'd given up on the American people. They're in such a deep sleep. It's so depressing. Did they even watch? My friend didn't. I got mad when he told me that.

[Joanne98]

43. Maybe the American people are waking up

source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/28/opinion/polls/main614605.sht...

"There are growing concerns about the long-term impact of the war. 41 percent now think the war increased the threat of terrorism against the U.S. 71 percent say the Administration’s policies have worsened the U.S.’s image in the Arab world."

Duh

[Joanne98]

30. Here's another link

Too important to let slide: Thanks Wonk for the pics...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...

[Tellurian]

35. link not working?

[Joanne98]

36. Sorry

I'll try again.

[Joanne98]

38. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...

[David__77]

41. Will US close newspapers in Iraq showing these pictures?

Will they detain US citizens showing them for being "unlawful combatants?" They are drunk with power and need to be reigned in. We have that power to slap them down.

[HuskerDem]

50. Good question! Would publishing these papers get them shut down

for being "anti-coalition" or "encitement"?

Ah, the sweet smell of Bush's version of freedom. :puke:

[Joanne98]

42. If the Arab world is seeing these pictures

I think it's over. But what I don't understand is why would CBS do that? It can't be because they believe in the truth. Why did they do this? Was it the WH idea. You would think for all the shit they try to censor they would have axed this. What a horrible idea. Are they trying to start a holy war on purpose? I don't get it.

[Joanne98]

44. Shameless kick

[BonjourUSA]

46. I ask myself what's happened in Guatanamo

[Joanne98]

49. me too

I hate too think about it.

[FizzFuzz]

47. sickening

:cry:

[CrownPrinceBandar]

51. So much for the US having the moral high ground........

this is really fucking disgusting.