Sign here to condemn the threat made to Rumsfeld in Florida.

[LoZoccolo]

Drudge is running this story and doing his tenuous best to try to link it to the Kerry campaign:

http://www.drudgereport.com/rc7r.htm

Obviously, most of us here and most Kerry supporters, myself included, don't condone this type of threat. However, you know the right-wing media is gonna be all over this action on the part of a few people who don't really represent Kerry in this view - so lets sign this thread to show what overwhelming dismay and condemnation there is for this foolish and irresponsible gesture made by the St. Petersburn Democratic Club. Also, we condemn any disingenuous attempt to link this action to Kerry or Kerry supporters.

Also - please help out and alert any posts in support of the threat - it's completely uncalled for.

[ComerPerro]

1. What the hell?

That is messed up. Really messed up.

Is this real?

[el_gato]

2. stop reading drudge

I don't take serously anything that liar has to say.

[DenverDem]

3. Horsehocky

Spin it as a threat if you want, but a figure of speech is not a threat. This is probably a freeper disinfo dirty trick to begin with.

Drudge is hardly credible, why waste time leigitimizing his worthless inannity.

[apnu]

26. I love that word!

"Horsehocky" Great use!

:toast:

[DenverDem]

29. The worst epithet my Methodist preacher dad would use.

The meaning and impact are unmistakeable without the escatological karmic impact.

I'm using it a lot around here lately, now that cu freeper cointelpro insurgents are flocking here.

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

34. "cu freeper" is funny

Do you know what "cu" means in Portuguese?

[DenverDem]

56. I'll give, what?

Now I'm curious.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

59. The sphincter.

"Vai tomar no cu" is exactly what the better known "Va fan culo" is in Italian.

Now, aren't you happy Conservative Underground chose that name for themselves? :evilgrin:

[LoZoccolo]

36. Thanks a fucking lot, guy.

Try explaining how this thread helps any conservative anything before you throw this pompous little implied allegation my way. If this forum is to remain relevant and not just be a cheering section and hurrah party, we don't need this kind of paranoia around here.

[DenverDem]

43. Thou doth protest too much.

Legitimizing this cointelpro dirty trick implies that the St. Pete Democrats actually placed this ad.

[LoZoccolo]

48. It doesn't matter if they did or they didn't.

That'll eventually come out if they didn't, and if it comes out that they didn't, we can use it as another example of how the right-wing somehow feels it has to lie about stuff all the time. Plus they're only a small group of people and I take it all but maybe two or three are pretty steaming mad about what these couple of ad-placers did without their permission. But it doesn't matter because the issue right now is that they're making a bullshit desperate attempt (saying something is disingenuous is just a polite way of saying it's bullshit) to link it to the Kerry campaign or Democrats in general, and that we know right now is bullshit, and I just invited everyone else to condemn it to show that it's bullshit.

Hardly the tactics of a right-winger to try to indemnify the rest of Kerry's support, wouldn't you think? Think about these things before you go accuse someone of being a disruptor, however indirectly. And you know you were doing it and know it's against the rules, otherwise you wouldn't have done it so waywardly, twice because I catch the "doth protest too much" thing too. Whatever, don't do it again. I don't wanna hit alert because I think you should hear this rather than get in trouble for it.

[Karenina]

51. Psst... DD...

(where we sposa "sign" anyways)? :O8):

[DenverDem]

57. Good point, hee hee.

Makes you wonder what the point of this really is.

[thebigidea]

4. I'd rather condemn Drudge trying to smear Kerry with this

[Mistress Quickly]

5. Hell, Smudge doesn't have to tie them together

the St. Pete Dem Party does it themselves:

from the story:
>>>>>>>McCall said her club is in direct contact with John Kerry campaign.

"We're all working together."<<<<<<<<

Where am I supposed to sign to condemn the threat?

[DenverDem]

6. This is not the Democratic Party. (Democratic CLUB)

This is a freeper dirty trick.

Don't believe the hype.

[Mistress Quickly]

12. Oh. I didn't know the difference.

Why is she claiming to be in touch with Kerry's campaign?

[DenverDem]

14. Prevarication?

This is only the beginning of dirty tricks.

[Supormom]

18. You could send a letter addressed to the Kerry campaign

and claim that you have "been in touch with Kerry". It's meaningless.

[ParanoidPat]

24. Why does Bush* claim God is in touch with him?

:shrug: Maybe she sent them an e-mail? :evilgrin:

[qanda]

7. How could someone be *so* stupid

Unless they're actually working against the Kerry campaign to destroy it. That's so insane that it's not even worth a response, but I'm sure someone, somewhere will find a way to say that this actually was endorsed by Kerry.

[el_gato]

10. how can someone be so stupid as to believe anything on drudge

[Loonman]

8. If my opinion of Florida could go any lower

I'd be in of one those ocean vents.

[feistydem]

9. Matt Drudge has NO integrity whatsoever... he would sell his mother

if it meant advancing the Bush agenda.

Until the St. Petersburgh Dems admit they placed this ad, I am withholding judgment and may even go so far as to assume it was placed by a Republican! Geez, just look at the language used in the ad. That sounds like a freeper more than an angry Democrat.

[Mistress Quickly]

11. Read the story

they did, and there is a link to their webpage.

[Lex]

15. What does the link to their webpage PROVE?

Just asking . . .

[Mistress Quickly]

23. Nothing, but they are a real group/club

look, if we want to dismiss wackos on our side as being plants, or a story about them as being false, while the rest of America looks at them as the norm, not the exception, then we are NOT going to win in November.

If we would distance ourselves from crap like this, then it would be better for us.

To have the only argument be, "Its from Drudge, he sucks, he's a right-winger" doesn't refute the quote from the ad. Jeepers Creepers have already started their calling campaign, and the publisher has said he will print an apology, as will the club. Why are they apologizing if it isn't true? (see below for the post from Creepers site)

It looks bad towards Democrats, dammit. We need to distance ourselves from this drivel. We have issues we can win on, not rhetoric.

From Jeepers Creepers:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1116787/posts?page=242#242

To: Petronski; Quilla; mewzilla; All
I just spoke with the Publisher of the newspaper:

Ken Reichart......727-321-6965


He says that the newspaper will be issuing an apology in the next issue. And that the St. Pete Dems will be apologizing as well.

I told him that the ad was irresponsible. And I reminded him that a mentally ill person tried to kill President Reagan over a movie star. I said that in he future the paper should show more responsibility in taking ads.

I told him the Ad 'reeked with hatred' and that I didn't think it would win the Dems any votes. He said he tended to agree.


KEEP CALLING THEM!

242 posted on 04/13/2004 1:22:28 PM EDT by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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[tridim]

27. So a Freeper confirms it... It MUST be a real group

Nothing in that post proves they are a real Democratic group. They could easily be a group set up by this Freeper to do precisely what was mentioned in Drudge's article. Even if they issue an apology it still doesn't prove anything.

[Mistress Quickly]

28. I give up

yeah, a creeper made it all up. No one thinks like that but jeepers creepers.

Sheesh.

[Mistress Quickly]

31. here, from their website

If it is false, we will soon find out

[DenverDem]

45. So the cointelpro agents could dupe the Florida Democratic Party.

Not that hard.

[LoZoccolo]

38. Exactly.

look, if we want to dismiss wackos on our side as being plants, or a story about them as being false, while the rest of America looks at them as the norm, not the exception, then we are NOT going to win in November.

Exactly. Remember when Michael Dukakis was "above the fray" regarding Willie Horton? Did him a lot of good while he waited like two weeks to respond to it, didn't it? He finally did come out with the facts about the furlough program, but it was too late.

[rman]

60. how hard would it be for a bunch of Dems to start a "real" freep club?

or the other way around for that matter?

[DenverDem]

17. Link?

How does one read this story as there is no online edition of "The Gabber"?

[feistydem]

21. I read the story. Where do they take responsibility?

Keep in mind that Drudge also pushed the story about a Kerry affair with an intern and the poor woman had to come forward and deny it.

Beware of Drudge reporting. He's a hack without accountability.

[Steely_Dan]

16. What's the Problem...?

I see very little wrong with this ad. I mean "putting him up against a wall and pulling the trigger" is pretty radical...But the rest is exactly how I feel. I'm damn angry and I can hardly stand another day of the lies and corruption. The Bush administration has stolen my country.

-P

[fryguy]

13. "developing"

is that drudge-speak for "spinning and making up lies in my little brain"?

[karabekian]

19. this is probably real but I don't think Kerry had any idea about it

n/c

[karabekian]

20. this is probably real but I don't think Kerry had any idea about it

n/c

[el_gato]

22. another non-issue

puhleeze

[DemLikr]

25. for god's sake...ignore it. A response is what the Wingers want. n/t

[seasat]

30. Official Statement from the Pinellas County Democrtic Party

Fellow Democrats. Thank you for your support now and in the future. You may have heard about an ad in the Gabber. We do not condone violence against anyone or negative advertisements. We do not approve ads run by other groups or clubs. We want debate to remain on the issues.

I'm on their mailing list and they distanced themselves from this ad. I'm not familiar with the Pinellas County Democratic Club.

[Sparkle]

32. This club is in good company with Jesse Helms.

That old geezer threatened the President.

[Karenina]

35. Drive-by post?

:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

37. The fuck does that work?

Serious, I have no idea how that would work here. Explain that to me before you break the rules and make a FReeper allegation.

[Karenina]

42. Ah, there you are!

Sorry, your question is unintelligible. Would you please rephrase it? No allegations coming from these quarters, rest assured.

[LoZoccolo]

46. You accused me of posting a "drive-by post".

I was asking how that would work - how would my post work as a drive-by post. I posted something that's out of the bag whether we like it or not - even if it's bullshit, it's still going to go around a little, and I was just trying to do something little to counter it.

It's not some obscure rumor from some place like NewsMax or WorldNetDaily or some pass-around email, so it doesn't gain significantly more exposure from me posting it here. It's very unlikely that it would change anyone's opinion about Kerry or his campaign here, especially seeing as I call the Kerry connection as being bullshit and invite everyone here to do the same right in the post.

So tell me, how does this fulfill anything that a "drive-by post" would? You made that accusation, now stand by it or retract it.

[DenverDem]

44. You know the rules on how to get people tombstoned pretty well.

I'm just saying.

[LoZoccolo]

49. Yes, I respect the rules around here.

They're some of the best I've seen for a message board.

[Name removed]

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[LoZoccolo]

53. You asked for it.

:hi: :nuke:

[DenverDem]

55. Nice try.

Keep up the good work.

[LoZoccolo]

58. Took a while.

But I'd say it amounted to more than a "try" in the final analysis.

[DenverDem]

62. Still here.

I win.

[LoZoccolo]

63. I never said I'd get you deleted.

I did get your post deleted after you decided to keep up your worthless FReeper allegations after I tried going easy on you, and that's all I intended to do. I see you or your cohort still haven't explained how my post reveals me to be a FReeper because the charge is a hunk of unmitigated bullshit and the product of irrational hair-trigger paranoia and a bit of showboating to begin with.

[DenverDem]

65. Right.

Whatever.

[Judi Lynn]

39. Where are the posts "in support of the threat?" I've never seen one here.

Democrats are actually not like that.

[LoZoccolo]

40. I'm glad there hasn't been one...

...and if there was it would only represent very few people, but every now and then you see some sort of thing here talking about how someone was asking to get shot in Iraq or something and it'll get locked or deleted or whatever. Again, it's the actions of very few extremists, but I didn't want any on this post.

[tom_paine]

41. Drudge is a LIAR. I don't believe him

Got a CREDIBLE link ?

[yardwork]

47. So two morons in Florida advocate violence

and we start fighting among ourselves?

This is stupid.

[DenverDem]

50. Red herring.

Get ready for waves of disinformation here.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

54. Drudge is a funny funny man

True or not, with the bloodbath that is Iraq and the 9/11 hearings going on, this ain't gonna get no play!

NEXT!

(Good try though, there, Drudgeboy.)

[artr2]

61. As a member of the Pinellas County Democratic Party

the club that took out the ad WAS one of ours. It's charter was revoked. The Pinellas County Democratic Executive Committee did not approve, condone or pay for that ad. The St Petersburg Democratic Club did it all on their own. Please go to our web site, www.pdp.org to read the chair's statement

[LoZoccolo]

67. Oh, so that must mean I'm /not/ a disinformation op.

I'm glad this got cleared up.

:eyes:

Watch out artr2, verifying true but unfavorable stories. They'll stone you when you're at the breakfast table.

[tjwash]

64. Come on Drudge, even YOU can do better than this...

"Campaign 2004 turns extreme in Florida with the placement of a newspaper ad calling for physical retribution against Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld!"


What, he get's a hold of this, and now, speaking in the indirect figurative is considered a threat? What about the THOUSANDS of direct threats made on R/W rags against Bill Clinton that went unmentioned? His included!


Same stuff different day. The republican press makes a wildly false accusation, to get the sheeple hurriedly forwarding it all over the place, and expects the liberals to go on the defensive immediately. I don't think so. I am not signing, or giving these pieces of human garbage ANY type of information about my personal life. Don't you know what those types will do with that type of information?

If he was a real journalist, and not a rumor mongering national enquirer reject, he would print a retraction immediately and apologize to everyone mentioned. DU should get a petition up to have that happen. THAT I would sign...

[Undemcided]

66. indirect figurative?

It's clearly a threat and we should be above all that shit.