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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 01:27 AM
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GOD HELP US ALL!!
Today I dove into all the 9-11 timelines and info out there. This was a conspiracy that involved maybe 100 people. Lots of people knew, enabled, covered up and so on and so forth.

Then the war in Iraq.

Now SAIC testing Diebold Election Systems in Maryland.

Is it over for all of us. It is too big, involves too many, we are just the commons, we mean nothing.

This information is out there, the media knows it, everyone in our government knows it. It is available to anyone who has internet. You can find out everything that you don't want to know.

It is like "in your face" "we dare you to stop it" Tell me how can we stop it. These people have already taken over our country and the earth. Who can stop this. There are only 32,000 DU members, 80% of the country is asleep. How can you have a revolution with just DU. How can you inform the rest of the country, and get them to investigate for themselves, how can we do it.

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 01:31 AM
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1. I don't know
but the alternative (to put blinders on and pretend it just doesn't exist) would be worse, in my opinion.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 01:37 AM
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2. How?
SAIC is just a company. Are you saying that every person working for SAIC is evil? That's several hundred thousand.

Calm down.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 01:42 AM
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3. Do some research
globalfreepress 9-11 Report
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 06:06 PM
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5. I've done plenty of research
I know quite a bit about SAIC. If they're as evil as everyone here makes out, we've all been screwed for a very long time, and there's no point in wailing about it, because it's been over for a very long time.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 07:21 PM
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10. 'there's no point in wailing about it' - not true
that is the ONLY WAY to make change, history is replete with examples.

:hi:

peace
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 01:51 AM
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4. Baaaa -aaa -aaa - a - a - a!!!
Shave my ass, get some wool.

It is like that movie "They Live", only it's really happening.

What do we do? Well, I've proposed a few things, but those posts get deleted. Apparently taking the Mussolini-and-a-lamppost approach is considered bad form around here.

In my darker moments I think it's the only way.

Hmmm, what would George Washington have done ....?
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 06:17 PM
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6. I remember feeling the same way
When I first started researching 9/11.

It's very easy to have a defeatist attitude, especially when you try to tell people about it and they look at you like you have cauliflower growing out of your ears, but this does you and your fellow Americans no good.

Try not to make this the central focus in your life. If you have other hobbies, talents, spend as much time as you can on them. Of course read and educate yourself as well, but it's very important to find a balance.

Also, sending people who seem receptive little bits of info. that will peak their attention and get them to start thinking/reading is much more effective than hitting people with all this at once.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 06:31 PM
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7. Yes, ignore the realities of the world
Go back to your Captain Crunch and your sewing kits! Ignore all that commotion behind the curtain!
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:24 PM
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21. What

there is commotion behind a curtain. What curtain?
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Sophree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 03:00 PM
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23. I'm just as pissed off about what is happening as anyone
I didn't say the poster should bury their head in the sand, just the opposite.

I was just giving the her/him some advice on not getting stuck and dwelling over the state of things or things s/he cannot change (ie, becoming depressed.)

My point was that by getting so upset that you cannot see light at the end of the tunnel can immobilize you and we cannot afford to be immobile.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 06:38 PM
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8. it is much bigger than just DU
remember the MILLIONS in the street WORLD WIDE before we even went to war...

remember this ain't over yet.

more...
http://bbs.globalfreepress.com/coppermine

psst... pass the word ;->

peace
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 07:08 PM
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9. bpilgram....correct there are many out here
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 07:24 PM
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11. If things get to a point where "We the people"
have no choice, then a revolution will happen.
"We the people" will be victorious.
There will be trials and justice served.
None, I said none of these evil bastards are above the law and they will be held accountable for ALL of their crimes.
There will be wealth re-distribution amoungst "We the people".

Just wait and see...
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 07:28 PM
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12. Yes There Was A Plan
Edited on Sat Aug-09-03 07:31 PM by Wonder

The Plan.
> >
> >In the beginning was The Plan,
> >And then came the assumptions,
> >And the assumptions were without form
> >And The Plan was completely without substance,
> >And the darkness was upon the faces of the employees
> >And they spoke among themselves, saying:
> >" It's a crock of shit and it stinks."
> >And the employees went unto their supervisors, saying:
> >"It's a pile of dung and none can abide by the odour thereof."
> >And the supervisors went unto their managers, saying:
> >"It's a container of excrement and it is very strong, such that none can abide it."
> >And the managers went unto their division heads, saying:
> >"It's a vessel of fertiliser and none can abide its strength."
> >And the div heads went unto the directors, saying:
> >"It contains that which aids plant growth and it is very strong."
> >And the directors went unto the CEO, saying:
> >"It promotes growth and is very powerful."
> >And the CEO went unto the Board, saying:
> >"This new plan will actively promote growth and efficiency of this
> >organization."
> >And the Board looked upon The Plan and saw that it was good,
> >And The Plan became the official company policy.
> >And that, my friends,
> >Is how Shit Happens.
________________________

The whole thing was fishy from jump street when the FAA and NORAD could not get their shit together. Yes shit happened. Question is WHEN will AMERICANS get THE PLAN and see it for what it is?

WHEN WILL OUR MEDIA REVOLT? AND WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

Please forgive my twisted sense of humor but the whole thing IS TWISTED and a good laugh only strengthens one's senses....and intuition. For those that have sensed all these very obvious facts... many have been twiddling our thumbs waiting for more to catch on... me thinks Americans are still lagging. SO beyond a democrat in the WH, which may or may not prove to be just as apathic if not as complicit and just more shit kickin' around the status quo. what is THE ANTI-PLAN?
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Friar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:07 PM
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19. lol
that was hellafunny. Did you write that or copy?

"It's a container of excrement"
"It contains that which aids plant gro"

too funny
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:16 PM
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20. No apparently it is circulating via e-mail

while I have been known to pen my fair share of follies and whatnot... this was sent to me via e-mail... I can not tell where it originated ... nor do I know who wrote it... but I happened to receive it just as this thread openned up ... It seemed interestingly relevant to the thread itself... so I cut and pasted it in.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 07:48 PM
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13. SNAP OUT OF IT!
This is me slapping your face. Hard.

What, these guys just showed up to wreck our perfect world? Nuh uh. Always been here.

And they mess everything up. Every good impulse.

And they do kill without blinking an eye.

But, honey, we got work rules and eight hour days and OSHA and the abolition of slavery and the vote and overtime and paid holidays and unemployment and Social Security.......YOU THINK ANY OF THAT WAS A GIFT FROM THE GOODNESS OF THEIR GENEROUS HEARTS????????????

They are 1 percent of the population, genius. One terrified percent hoping we never notice how weak they are, being flesh and blood behind their gated communities.

If it came to it, and it better not, a rifle with a telescopic site could take out the tires on the limos and then pick them off one by one. THAT'S how weak they are.

Smart presidents like FDR make sure it doesn't come to that. Dumb ones put us all at risk.

We're the commons? YEAH! Millions of us. If we took a long walk to Ridgefield or any of the other mansion lands, would there be a blade of grass left?

Stop whining and cowering. Understand that when we deal with them, we are negotiating with our claws sheathed. But the claws are there.

Why else do you think they won't tell us what they did and what they're doing? BECAUSE OF WHAT WE MIGHT DO.

And, somehow, in their tiny fevered minds, that scares the crap out of them. Why else do reporters get that urge to suicide just before an expose on them? BECAUSE OF WHAT WE MIGHT DO.

Why won't Bush venture into ANY open situation? BECAUSE OF WHAT WE MIGHT DO.

Get it?



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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:01 PM
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16. We Are EveryWhere - MP3
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 07:54 PM
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14. would it suffice to say NOT MUCH
Edited on Sat Aug-09-03 08:02 PM by Wonder

considering one of the posters did touch upon the fact that this has not just manifested itself over night and now this very cowardly 1% who hire thugs so they don't dare get their hands dirty... have pretty anti-constitutional legislation in place as well... so getting out on the street in protest ... will not be a walk in the park...

telescopic long range... another story BUT that would depend on who does the hiring.
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Friar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:00 PM
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15. I think we're f**ked too
I have no idea how we in America can stop PNAC fascism. They are going to both buy and steal the next elections. I think the EU better start rearming. There's a new Hitler in town and he lands on Aircraft carriers.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:06 PM
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18. oh but why blame him for the sins of his GRANDFATHER...

LET'S WAIT! things are bound to work themselves AFTERALL we are AMERICA the land of the free and the brave BUT FOR THE FACT that as GORE so stoically pointed out like it was big news ... good bye CHECKS AND BALANCES...

Perhaps it is time to leave ... never know when milwaukee will break out with another case of CHIMPIE POX...

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TheBigGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:03 PM
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17. This voting machine thing is going to turn me off from voting.
As ive said before, if these machines come into use in my precinct im not going to waste my time voting anymore.

I will be through with politics as its will have reached the point of being just a crap shoot w. loaded dice.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 08:49 PM
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22. 32 thousand members?
Edited on Sat Aug-09-03 08:51 PM by DS1
Go to "Profiles" and click on any single alphanumeric character and see out of the thousands, how many you recognize.

We're lucky if we have 2,000 posters frequenting this board.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 03:06 PM
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24. too true
and out of 32K, how many are dupes for those approx 2ooo posters (3 are mine---changed once because I forgot password, etc and wanted to post fast! and changed again as I thought my freepish colleague was "on to me" due to using the phrase (username) elsewhere----

How many are dupes, how many are the barrage of freepers and disruptors who get tombstoned and keep coming back and then there are all the one or two time posters whose main "contribution" is telling us why they are leaving in a huff. I'm sure there are lots of lurkers or reader (I was myself for the 1st year of its existence) but I think that 2000 active in any sense of the word DU members is the outside limit.
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