If Chimp's numbers don't go down after Clarke's allegations

[PlanetBev]

Then I know this country has gone mad. Thirty years ago a revelation like this would have toppled the administration, but with the help of the press, this guy is impervious to everything. He's like a cockroach after a nuclear blast. We've been waiting for a bombshell like this for three years. If this doesn't bring Chimp down, then I think it's futile to thing that anything else will. I am amazed that Shrub's approval numbers aren't 17% by now.

[The Spirit of JFK]

1. The physics of spin

All the spin will keep his numbers up for a while. Depending on how long the pressure lasts and how many of the OTHER issues...Valerie Plame, FBI translator,Medicare, and oh yeah, the ecomony...pop into the mainstream conscious.

[Fovea]

2. The magic is not in the facts

but in Clarke himself.

He will not let this go, I suspect. And he has had more time to prepare for the assault than RoveCo has had to create it.

I can't help thinking that Mr. Clarke has handed them a hand grenade to throw at him, without letting them know that it had a 0 second fuse.

The grenade appears to named Condi.

[MnFats]

3. I completely agree. It's baffling.

If this had happened in 1968 or 1970, or '72, the streets would be FILLED with demonstrators that would clog everything demanding that the president resign.
A president lying his ass off to take the country into a bloody, illegal war? Every campus in the country would be shut down and there would be thousands of sit-in, sit-down protesters blocking the steps of the capitol.

[Guaranteed]

4. This RW cancer has spread wide and deep.

It's going to take a lot of hard work from us, and leadership and courage from our Democratic representatives to turn this around. This goes a lot deeper than just the Bush administration.

[calimary]

14. The hard work is CONTACTING THE MEDIA!!!! Here's how:

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I would add two things: check www.takebackthemedia.com for the MOST comprehensive, extensive list.

And... my sig line to call Capitol Hill, TOLL FREE...

[proud patriot]

16. Thanks for those media contacts

:hi:

[doc03]

20. The problem is about 50% of the people only watch Faux

and listen to Lush, O'Liely and Insanitty. If they see anything on the other networks by accident while switching from Faux, MSRNC and NASCAR they say that it is biased.

[kera]

5. this the result of a society of consummation,

no brain , only digestive tube

[Mari333]

6. Thats why people like Katherine Gun and Lt Col Karen Kwiatowski

and others need to get coverage by the press. They are not getting out there, the press isnt covering them.

[talkingrain]

8. They won't

Get coverage! Because it is to complicated to explain to regular folks! Sad but true.

[lapfog_1]

9. Why no campus protests...

The reason there are no "sit-ins" and widespread campus protest is twofold...

1) As Clarke pointed out, it takes body bags to motivate the nation to do something other than watch the latest reality TV crap... to focus the debate and...

2) there isn't a nation wide draft...

so with only "two or three" body bags per day... and these are mostly people of color who volunteered for the armed forces as a way to get ahead in the US (not casting aspersions on their patriotism or their need to serve)... but reality is that we aren't sending white upper middle class youth to die by the 1000's. Not that I WANT to send ANYONE to die in Iraq by the 1000's... but that is what it would take to create the mood of the 60's over again.

Oh, and fully 60 percent of the population believes the lie that Iraq had something to do with 9/11, and that likely includes college kids too.

[jarab]

11. Welcome to DU, lapfog_1 !

jarab - DU moderator

[TankLV]

7. Well, according to NPR, CNN & others, they are truly mad.

According to the whore media, Kerry's numbers have gone down, while bunkerboy's have gone up.

And some wonder why I and others call them "sheeple" - I think this prooves our case for what an appropriate term it is, indeed.

[Union Thug]

10. It's depressing...

...but not really surprising. Americans have been asleep for the past 30 years.

The election is still a long way off, and they still have OBL to trot out. We'll just keep punching at the body and hope the head falls...

[charliebrown]

19. It Really isnt suprising that the numbers have gone

The way they have. The media(NBC), Tonight was using quotes from Clarkes 2002 press backgroung briefs talk with press people. They have also(with the help of Kerry's own words made him suspect), I voted for it before i voted against it. They also have conflicting testimony from Clarke with what he says and what he said in a a background thing with reporters in 2002. The background thing he said was spin!! But if the declassified things agree with his 2002 testamony? Then what? He was under oath then and if it is the same as his press background thing. That would discredit him to everyone.

Kerry is making his own undoing. Clarke I hope wont be discredited but what if he is? I dont talk in here often and this is why. You all jump on every speck of dust and try to make it a boulder.

Shrub keeps even because the things latched onto here and all over are not what will sway the undecideds.

Not a single undecided will EVER believe bush knew 9/11 was gonna happen, that I promise you. I was watching a few months ago when O'neil brought out his book and the whole forum was Shrub is toast and it's all over for chimpy. The fact is that books might be read and even believed. Not by more then 2% of the people. And Clarkes credibility is in real question if his 2002 testimony is de-classified.

I hope I am wrong but he did make comments to reporters in 2002 that said the bush team was doing a lot to upgrade the terrorism defense.

[LibDemAlways]

12. 30 years ago there was

no rightwing radio polluting the airwaves 24/7. There was no FAUX news. There was no cable news, period. Thirty years ago national news was delivered nightly by broadcasters like Walter Cronkite who knew the meaning of integrity and honesty. Today all we have are corporate whores who have sold their souls and shamelessly prop the chimp up in order to be on the receiving end of a paycheck.

I don't doubt for a second that Rather, Jennings, Brokaw and the rest know what's going on. But if they dared speak the truth, they'd be out on their asses. Outing the chimp would mean the end of their careers, so they've chosen the path of expediency.

As for the American people, I think they can be divided into three categories - hopeless braindead devotees of the dark side, enlightened and appalled thinking people who fear for this country's future, and the majority - apolitical types who don't concern themselves with current events. Freepers and DUers know who Richard Clarke is and what he said. I guarantee that if you stopped 1000 people at random throughout the country, a majority would be unable to place Clarke and would have no idea what what he said. I am equally certain that the same people would have no difficulty identifying the latest American Idol. We have devolved into a frighteningly unsophisticated, ignorant society.

I am reminded of a c-span program from a couple of summers ago. Tom Daschle was making the rounds in South Dakota and being followed by a c-span camera when he walked into a diner off the highway. No one recognized the Senator except for a French family on vacation. They were quite pleased to meet the man they recognized as the then Senate Majority Leader. Everyone else in the place could not have cared less.

[bushbegone04]

13. we are a sad country

when we cant identify our own senators. your post makes me think of that "man on the street" segment that jay leno does on tonight show. i can't beleive the ignorance of those people. some don't even know who the vice president is or simple things like that. one wonders if there is hope for change.

[PlanetBev]

15. LibDem, you nailed it to the wall

Because of Fox news, a.m hate radio, mindless reality TV shows and a press that has been bought and sold, Democracy is slipping on a thousand banana peels.

[keithyboy]

17. Bush's numbers are DOWN; inflation is UP: they're just not telling us

And the media won't report it.

[John_H]

18. There's not a hell of a lot of room for them to move.

Let's face the facts, as elitism be damned. The half of the country that has half a brain is against him. The other half is beyond hope.

The election will be won by whichever half goes out and votes.