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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:15 PM
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Richard Clarke was a 'good friend' of John O'Neill ????
Edited on Sat Mar-27-04 01:27 PM by Trajan
I posted this thread early in the morning, and since it dovetails nicely with Trumad's thread, I thought I would resurrect it ...

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Perhaps the Bush WH had better lighten up on Richard Clarke, a long time and well respected Terrorism specialist ... Perhaps Mr. Clarke has more arrows in his quiver ?? ...

PLEASE Note: .. The Bush WH has been falling over itself to insist they did EVERYTHING they could to protect the nation, and that they pursued Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden with all the vigor that could be mustered ...

Well: ... In DU Lounge I find this story ....

Did YOU know that Richard Clarke was 'good friends' with John ONeill ???? ....

Neither did I ...

From Asia Times: ... http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FC27Aa01.html

New light on the life and death of John O'Neill

By Tom Griffin

LONDON - Former White House counter-terrorism expert Richard Clarke has rocked the Bush administration with his criticism of the "war on terror". However, doubts about the administration's commitment to the fight against al-Qaeda are not new.

-snip-

"I called and John answered the phone. I said, 'Who's this'? He responded, 'Well, who the hell are you? I'm John O'Neill'. I explained, 'I'm from the White House. I do terrorism. I need some help'."

O'Neill had never worked on the case before, but together with Clarke he manned the phones coordinating the capture of Yousef before he could slip over the border into Afghanistan. It was, according to Clarke, "the beginning of a beautiful friendship".

-snip-

Those interviews are still so far the only ones in which Clarke has elaborated on the role of John O'Neill, and that means that there may yet be further revelations about the obstacles O'Neill faced, the reasons he left the FBI and the source of the leak to the New York Times about his departure.

-snip- (sorry for the snips, rules rules rules)


SO:

IF Clarke was such good friends with John ONeill, and worked side by side with him in his fight against Terror ... Then what could Clarke know of the obstacles ONeill faced in Afghanistan ??? ..

Wow: .. the answer is PLENTY ...

Clarke MAY have the goods on both;

1) The fawning Bush diplomatic mission waged on the Taliban for the benefit of UNOCAL and Halliburton .. NOT to 'pursue the terrorists', but to enrich the corporate friends of the GOP AT THE EXPENSE of american safety and security ....

2) What was contained in the Energy Task Force documents ... SURELY he was affected by those same obstacles which restricted the fight against Terror in Afghanistan .... Those documents probably contain VERY damning material regarding Afghanistan in early 2001 ...


Ohhh boy, Ladies and Gentlemen: ...

Clarke MAY be the Golden Goose ...

Clarke MAY be this century's 'Deep Throat" ...

He has already damaged the Bush administration .. and with DIRECT knowledge of the Bush team's actions in Afghanistan in early to mid 2001, he could knock them out of the park ...

Mewonders: .. Will the GOP try to cover their losses, and STOP fucking with Clarke ? ... Will they try to stop the damage, and try to simply FORGET him ? ...

Or ? .. will they piss him off ? ..

Stay tuned .....
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:38 PM
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1. This connection is too important ...
To let fall off ... So I'll shamelessly KICK ...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:38 PM
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2. Maybe John still has a voice!
and this from October 2001 is a bit interesting

Richard Clarke
Office of Cyber Security Director



Oct. 9 — Richard A. Clarke was appointed today by President Bush to be the Special Adviser for Cyberspace Security within the National Security Council.

Clarke became well-known for his use of the phrase "electronic Pearl Harbor," when predicting the implications of a cyber-terrorist attack. Critics say he overstates the threat, perhaps as a tactic to win greater attention, support and resources for government computer defense capabilities.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/bush_advisors_clarke.html
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HydroAddict Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:44 PM
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3. I started a thread yesterday along these same lines...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1295978&mesg_id=1295978

I feel bad about making assumptions w/o reading Clarke's book yet, but it's my gut feeling.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:44 PM
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4. Clarke went to John O'Neil's
funeral and said it was the first time since 9-11 that he just cried. They worked together on TWA800 also.

Clarke is well aware why O'Neil left the FBI. In fact he does discuss how Louis Freed was being played by the Saudi's. Which is also what O'Neil thought.

The Bush administration was insane to let Clarke go.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:51 PM
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8. Clarke is likely to have his best stuff stashed for protection
If something happens to him, the stuff is revealed.

Richard Clarke is plenty smart.

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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:51 PM
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9. Louis Freeh, Opus Dei, friend of Antonin Scalia
Edited on Sat Mar-27-04 01:52 PM by RationalRose
and very close to the ruling cabal. He hated John O'Neill and some say he set him up.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:48 PM
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5. Ambassador William S. Farish
Look what the American Embassy, London is saying and isn't this Farish guy old friends of the bushs?

American film director Billy Wilder once said, "Hindsight is always twenty-twenty." But Richard Clarke's recent assertions show that even hindsight can be woefully off the mark.

Who is Richard Clarke? For thirty years, he was a civil servant in the United States Government. When President Bush assumed office, he kept Dick Clarke on as his principal counterterrorism expert. In return, Clarke has written a new book giving his view of events. He has accompanied its release with an orchestrated array of books and self-promotion interviews, to launch a political attack on President Bush and his administration in the hothouse atmosphere of a presidential campaign season. This is a good atmosphere to sell books, perhaps, but not one designed for a cold examination of the facts.

http://www.usembassy.org.uk/ukamb/farish25.html
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:51 PM
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6. Time to google Farish
Edited on Sat Mar-27-04 01:54 PM by SpiralHawk
He is a major BushCo crony.

Here we go -
http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/ambassadors/farish.asp


There was little, if any, surprise when President Bush chose William S. Farish as ambassador to Great Britain.  Farish, a millionaire horse breeder and chairman of Churchill Downs, which hosts the fabled Kentucky Derby each year, is a big Republican donor and a close family friend of the Bushes, whom he has known for more than 50 years.

Farish has a history of close ties with President Bush's father.  He owns a trust company in Houston called W.S. Farish & Co., and was tapped in 1980 to manage Vice President Bush's blind trust.  He and his wife, Sarah, gave Millie, who became known as the White House dog, to George and Barbara Bush.  Farish and the elder Bush are known to be occasional tennis partners.

(snip)
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 02:56 PM
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17. Yes Farish was in the picture on this group's last attempt for world
control via Hitler. Farish and Granpappy Prescott.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:55 PM
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11. Re: Farish ....
An earlier post by:

Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-24-04 09:42 PM
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4. Farish. You all know where he's coming from, right?

Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 09:45 PM by Minstrel Boy

The Farish-Bush connection goes waaaay back. Old, old Bush family friend:


When George Bush was elected vice president in 1980, Texas mystery man William Stamps Farish III took over management of all of George Bush's personal wealth in a "blind trust." Known as one of the richest men in Texas, Will Farish keeps his business affairs under the most intense secrecy. Only the source of his immense wealth is known, not its employment.

...

President Bush can count on Farish not to betray the violent secrets surrounding the Bush family money. For Farish's own family fortune was made in the same Hitler project, in a nightmarish partnership with George Bush's father.

On March 25, 1942, U.S. Assistant Attorney General Thurman Arnold announced that William Stamps Farish (grandfather of the President'smoney manager) had pleaded "no contest" to charges of criminal conspiracy with the Nazis. Farish was the principal manager of a worldwide cartel between STANDARD OIL CO. of NEW JERSEY and the I.G. FARBEN concern. The merged enterprise HAD OPENED the Auschwitz slave labor camp on June 14, 1940, to produce artificial rubber and gasoline from coal. The Hitler government supplied political opponents and Jews as the slaves, who were worked to near death and then murdered.

...

The Bush-Farish axis started George Bush's career. After his 1948 graduation from Yale (and the Skull and Bones secret society), George Bush flew down to Texas on a corporate jet and was employed by his father's DRESSER INDUSTRIES. In a couple of years he got help from his uncle, George Walker, Jr., and Farish's British banker friends, to set him up in the oil property speculation business. Soon thereafter, George Bush founded the ZAPATA Oil Company, which put oil drilling rigs into certain locations of great strategic interest to the Anglo-American intelligence community. <"Zapata" was allegedly a code word used by these same mega-bankers describing the first Communist Revolution which they had financially backed -- as they had done with the Nazi's themselves. - Wol.>

Twenty-five-year-old Will Farish was personal aide to Zapata chairman George Bush in Bush's unsuccessful 1964 campaign for Senate. Farish used "that Auschwitz money" to back George Bush financially, investing in Zapata. When Bush was elected to Congress in 1966, Farish joined the Zapata board.

http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/Bruce_Walton_The_Underground_Nazi_Inva...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=443056

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So: Farish is WHOLLY unable to provide an unbiased view of these events ...

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 09:41 PM
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22. A note on Standard Oil "Trading with the Enemy"
SO manufactured tetraethyl lead aviation fuel. If they had not supplied Germany with this product the German Luftwaffe would never have been able to fly. What I am not sure of is how long after the US entered the war Standard continued to supply Germany. Germany may have developed an alternative fuel.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:51 PM
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7. O'Neill is mentioned the the dedication
in the front of the book.

Here is the whole thing:

To those who were murdered on Sept. 11, 2001, including those who tried to stop it, among them John O'Neill and the extraordinarily brave passengers on United Flight 93: and to all those left behind.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:57 PM
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12. I think Clarke is a true patriot ...
Comments like this dedication seal the deal for me ...
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snappydresser Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 01:52 PM
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10. Considering their respective positions, I suspect he'd HAVE to be.
What with both of them being so high up on the anti-terror totem pole together.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 02:41 PM
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15. Hi snappydresser!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 02:01 PM
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13.  ALarmed See Dick Resign
Edited on Sat Mar-27-04 02:06 PM by seemslikeadream
This is off topic but interesting

"About half my job is marketing," Clarke told CSO magazine late last year in an interview. But many factors largely out of his control conspired to make that marketing fail. Those factors include: The emasculation of the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace; an administration that wouldn't consider the most cogent ideas to secure cyberspace (including regulation); a constituency of technology vendors that has never been serious about the task and had a part in emasculating the National Strategy; and, most recently, the Litchfields' move.

It starts to become clear why Clarke is resigning. Why push a rock uphill if everyone above you is pushing back down on it?

In his memo to the ISACs, Clarke cited two specific—and far less controversial—reasons for leaving his post: the completion of the National Strategy and the formation of the Department of Homeland Security, whose Secretary, Tom Ridge, was sworn in right when news of Clarke’s departure first leaked. This provides "a good juncture ... to end my 11 years in the White House," Clarke wrote. He also mentions briefly his desire to "contribute to these issues as a private citizen."

http://www.csoonline.com/alarmed/02032003.html

just for fun here is an e-mail from Clarke

FROM: Richard ClarkeDATE: 05/31/2002 17:10:23SUBJECT: RE: Finding holes in autoinc sequences Genius. I knew there must be a way of tricking Mysql into applying a having
statement and hence doing the whole query in a non join based statement.
I have found the variable features of mysql most useful for a query of the
type, select the top x rows per group. i.e. a limit per group. This is
perfect if you are doing any statistical calculations which involves
gathering the top 100 (or n) rows per id.

Richard

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 02:13 PM
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14. Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11
Assembling The Legend of 9/11
Excerpted from: Truth, Lies, and The Legend of 9/11
by Chaim Kupferberg

One man was Clinton's counter-terrorism "czar". The other was reputedly the FBI's most dogged pursuer of Osama bin Laden. But did these two men perform a more sinister, covert role in coordinating the global elements of the unfolding 9/11 Legend? In this latest excerpt from his landmark article, Chaim Kupferberg takes a closer at Richard Clarke and John O'Neill - the men who reportedly "discovered" Osama bin Laden as a terrorist mastermind.

Heading up that clique was Richard A. Clarke, who joined the National Security Council under the first President Bush, and stayed there under Clinton. As reported by Lawrence Wright in The New Yorker, "In the web of federal agencies concerned with terror, Clarke was the spider." Tim Weiner of the New York Times wrote of Clarke on February 1, 1999: "He has placed proteges in key diplomatic and intelligence positions, creating a network of loyalty and solidifying his power."

It was Clarke who, together with John O'Neill, "discovered" bin Laden as a global terrorist mastermind. Here, as reported by Lawrence Wright in The New Yorker, was Clarke's version of his discovery:

"We'd see CIA reports that referred to 'financier Osama bin Laden' and we'd ask ourselves, 'Who the hell is he?' The more we drilled down, the more we realized he was not just a financier - he was the leader. John said, 'We've got to get this guy. He's building a network. Everything leads back to him.' Gradually the CIA came along with us."

Presumably, Clarke had help in marketing bin Laden - for bin Laden himself would soon enough make his high profile media debut as the declared enemy of American interests the world over, thereby giving the world's only superpower a plausibly sophisticated foe who would overshadow the efforts of one Muslim fanatic (Ramzi Yousef, World Trade Center '93) or one right-wing nutcase (Timothy McVeigh, Oklahoma '95). Meanwhile, the gregarious John O'Neill would make the global rounds, liaising with various counterparts as he shadowed the presumed activities of Osama bin Laden. In other words, if one were theoretically to posit the type of operatives who would be most suited to running a highly compartmentalized "op" to develop a global legend of Osama bin Laden, one could find no more conveniently placed men than Richard Clarke and John O'Neill. Where Clarke would manage the national security rank-and-file through his network of loyalists, O'Neill would be the globetrotter, coordinating the unfolding legend through his counterparts in various countries.

In short, Clarke and O'Neill would theoretically be conducting their activities in "plain sight." Under the cover of counter-terrorism, O'Neill would be building a terror legend fit for the New World Order - in the same manner that Oliver North in the '80s employed the cover of counter-terrorism to conduct, on behalf of Vice-President Bush, the illegal arms dealing operations popularly known as Iran-Contra (for which North took a decidedly light rap as the designated patsy). The main difference would be that where North would eventually be tagged as the moron of Iran-Contra, O'Neill would take his place as the martyr of 9/11.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP312A.html
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 02:44 PM
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16. isn't....
...Clarke's book dedicated to O'Neill?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 02:58 PM
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18. Yes - Clarke's book dedication:
Edited on Sat Mar-27-04 03:01 PM by Stephanie


"To those who were murdered on September 11, 2001, including those who tried to stop it, among them John O'Neill and the extraordinarily brave passengers on United flight 93, and to all those they left behind."
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 03:00 PM
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19. Don't forget that Afg. pipeline was supposed to save Enron
from financial disaster. The pipeline was to rescue the finances of Enron's Dabhol power plant.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 09:37 PM
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21. Yep, The pipeline was suppose to have one leg go to Dabhol
in India. This was exposed and there were alot of protests in India over Enron's role if I am not mistaken.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 03:09 PM
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20. Was the story of O'Neill's resignation even published in the US...
I remember reading of it shortly after 9/11 from foreign sources. Nothing from the US. I agree that Clarke probably has a boatload of info he is saving for the right time. I hope he stays safe too!
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