THEY KNEW and now WE KNOW THEY KNEW.

[Beam Me Up]

This is from an official White House transcript:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html

THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Jordan.  Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack.  I was in Florida.  And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works.  I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on.  And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot.  I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

But I was whisked off there, I didn't have much time to think about it.  And I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my Chief of Staff, who is sitting over here, walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower, America is under attack."

And, Jordan, I wasn't sure what to think at first.  You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind -- just like your Daddy's and Mother's mind probably.  And I started thinking hard in that very brief period of time about what it meant to be under attack.  I knew that when I got all of the facts that we were under attack, there would be hell to pay for attacking America.  (Applause.)

I tried to get as many facts as I could, Jordan, to make sure I knew as I was making decisions that I knew exactly what I was basing my decisions on.  I've got a fabulous team.  A President can't possibly be President without a good team.  It starts with having a great wife, by the way.  (Applause.)

And so, I got on the phone from Air Force One, asking to find out the facts.  You've got to understand, Jordan, during this period of time, there were all kinds of rumors floating around.  Some of them were erroneous.  Obviously -- for example, there was a news report saying that the State Department had been attacked.  I needed to know what the facts were.  But I knew I needed to act.  I knew that if the nation's under attack, the role of the Commander-In-Chief is to respond forcefully to  prevent other attacks from happening.  And so, I've talked to the Secretary of Defense; one of the first acts I did was to put our military on alert.

An interesting thing happened shortly thereafter.  Condoleezza Rice -- who was not with me but was with the Vice President because they were in the White House compound -- called me on Air Force One after that, and said that she had gotten a call from Russia, from Vladimir Putin, who understood why we were putting our troops on alert, and, therefore, wasn't going to respond.  That was an important phone call.  Because when I was coming up, and a lot of other older-looking people here who were coming up with me -- (laughter) -- that would never have happened in the past.  An alert by the United States would have caused Russia to go on alert, which would have created a complicated situation.  But that wasn't the case.

This man is compulsive liar and not even a very good one. He is a fool implicated in one of the greatest crimes in history perpetrated against a Nation and the world. His name will rank alongside Hitler, Nero, and Caligula--despots whose egotism knew no bounds.

How much longer must we endure this inanity, banality and criminality at the highest levels of government? Given the testimony before the 9/11 Commission--coupled with documented 9/11 trime-lines such as can be found here-- http://complete911timeline.org/main/essayaninterestingday.html --who in their right mind can believe ANYTHING that is said BY ANY MEMBER OF THIS ADMINISTRATION? They are liars and criminals and traitors and should be removed from office IMMEDIATELY before they do or allow any further harm to this nation.

As was put forward in another DU thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1295360#1296107 , on 9/11 THIS ADMINISTRATION wanted us to believe that they had NO IDEA what was happening--that they thought the first WTC hit was an accident--which, given the time-line and all that we now know, is simply not possible. When Bush spoke with Rice immediately after arriving at the Booker Elementary School, SHE HAD TO HAVE KNOWN that THREE AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN HIJACKED--and THEREFORE America was under attack. Did she or did she not tell her superior, POTUS, CIC?

They lie. They lie badly. If it were not for the MEDIA--which I now fully hold as accessories after the fact in a high crime of State--they would already be behind bars.

[chascaz]

1. and now THEY KNOW WE KNOW THEY KNEW

and THEY are REPREHENSIBLE! and sooo IGNORANT!

Check this out:

from the Rice press brief:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/03/20040324-26.html

Q He says -- he asked Armitage about Clarke saying that he got the feeling that when he first mentioned al Qaeda to you early in the administration, that he got the feeling from body language that you had never heard the phrase before.

DR. RICE: Do you really want me to respond to that?

....<snip>.....

DR. RICE: I know you didn't. I find it peculiar that Dick Clarke is sitting there reading my body language. I guess that -- I didn't know he was good at that, too.
-----------------------------

does this mean that Rice thinks Clarke is (also) good at reading body language? and was correct in reading her lack of awareness about al queda?

They're spinning so fast the lies are flying out of them at "Hyper-Sonic" speeds now. The centripetal force will soon cause an explosion, and their heads will be spinning even faster as they're whisked off to FEDERAL PRISON.... FOR LIFE!

Peace -

[Beam Me Up]

2. LOL!! Yeah, I want to see their heads spin. . .

. . .on pikes on the White House lawn as warnings to any future would-be traitors!

[chascaz]

9. Yeah, like that, until the smirks rot off their faces...

and the rest of them can ROT IN JAIL!!! along with the Halliburton and Enron gang, and Larry Bossidy, too. Whatever anyone said, or implied, one thing that was certainly DONE was that the bush cabal lowered the position of Terrorism Czar down to the deputy level, adding a layer of beurocracy and months to the process.

Clinton - 8 years, 35 deaths
Bush - 10 months, 3000+ deaths

IMPEACH BUSH AND HIS CABAL.....NOW!!!!!

[cynicinthesouth]

3. Actually I heard a radio interview of Condi

and someone back in October 2000 (on a right wing radio show) and she knows exactly who Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are. This is one of Clarke's weaker accusations, easily disproven. He shouldn't have said it. Gave them some ammo.

[Minstrel Boy]

4. Clarke didn't say she'd never heard of bin Laden.

He said she acted as though she'd never heard of bin Laden.

[hang a left]

5. Really now.

I can hardly wait southerner.

[cynicinthesouth]

6. Like I said

they are jumping all over that and now playing that taped interview of Condi back in 2000 over and over again. It gave them lots of ammo. I wish he hadn't said it. He had to know that would be disproven immediately.

[hang a left]

8. Excuse me but if I remember correctly

Kindasleezy didn't come into office until Jan 20, 2001.

[tkmorris]

23. Exactly

I have my doubts that she was on a radio show in 2000 talking about Al Qaeda. Very large doubts.

[Kahuna]

15. Yet, as usual, they don't play what Clarke ACTUALLY said..

It's just par for the course with wingnuts. It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a wingnut to tell the truth. :shrug:

[pretzel4gore]

30. liars win anyway

cuz truth weighs 800 pounds (just like a famous goriller) and try moving around a 800 pound goriller!
the ironic thing is- bushinc is literally cashing in america, strip mining the future etc. the 'patriots' should be the ones frothing in rage at bush, but they're protecting and abetting him! It is weirdest thing imaginable (soneone claiming to be from al queda says they want bushinc to win '04 election)....knowing what USA is really like, i wonder perhaps that not best too (that's just revulsion at the neocon reactionary element which, in USA, have seized control of the mass media -i mean massa media :-) ) so that's being silly; the fascasti trying to lie their way to power here too...
good luck everybody

[bobbyboucher]

11. Bwahahahahahaha.

I see you. Ammo, huhuhuh, hu hu, hu hu, he said ammo, huhuhu, hu hu.

[Kahuna]

14. He never did say it. That just more wingnut lies.

He said she acted as if she had never heard of him. In other words. She was indifferent. Got it now?

[JPJones]

31. Now WE KNOW THEY KNOW WE KNOW THEY KNEW

[MnFats]

7. Bush is telling it as a children's story. A fuggin' fairy tale.

it would be almost humorous if it weren't so fuggin' tragic and stupid.

[Indiana_Dem]

10. obviously either he knew or he has been being used as a puppet

for the neo-cons and he's been too stupid to see it for what it is. That's my belief. I still don't understand why to this day he didn't just cancel the appearance at the school and GO! He needed to be in communication with the others. Unless his staff just told him to "sit tight" and that Cheney and Condi have it under control. Watching that video of him in the classroom--honestly, he either looks very sinister or he looks like someone who is definitely out of control of the situation, almost like a prisoner. Maybe his only way to deal with the situation has been to go with it. I'm not excusing him from his actions at all but it's almost like he is some kind of child at times who doesn't really understand what he is really doing so he allows others to lead him as long as he gets the glory and the attention and the prestige. From the many appearances I've seen of him that's what kind of person I see. I can't decide which is true yet. I'm still analyzing. Obviously someobody knows or they all wouldn't be so secretive and condescending all the time.

[Beam Me Up]

17. Who was really in control?

This is a quote from the time-line http://complete911timeline.org/main/essayaninterestingday.html:

Who was really in control? Certainly not Bush. In the back of the room, Press Secretary Ari Fleischer caught Bush's eye and held up a pad of paper for him to see, with "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET" written on it in big block letters. (Washington Times, 10/7/02 http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021007-85016651.htm ) Some person or people had overruled the security who wanted Bush evacuated immediately, even as Vice President Cheney was taken from his White House office to a safe location. Bush's security overruled Bush on security matters later in the day on Air Force One, but who overruled them that morning?

Is it possible that Bush is even more stupid than most of us think--that he is an utter imbecile whose perception of reality is completely controlled by those around him?

I believe he is a figure-head, sock puppet president. I'd like to find out who makes him wiggle.

[Indiana_Dem]

19. Oh gosh....I've been reading minstrel boy's post

on 9/11 whistleblowers...it's so sad. I am praying so hard that the truth will come about soon! Too many people have been hurt. It needs to stop.

[Kahuna]

12. We always knew they knew... We were dismissed as..

tinfoil hatters. But we knew. I knew before I left my office on 9/11 that bush was somehow responsible. It's just his M.O. Everything he touches turns to poo. He would have to responsible for the destruction of the glorious Twin Towers and 3000 lives. It's just him.

[Beam Me Up]

16. I knew on 9/11 too

I was working with some hard-hats on a maintenance problem when we were told about what was going on. One of them looked right at me and said, "Bush!"

Yup.

edit:typo

[pretzel4gore]

13. the theft of 2000 election was planned...

in detail (and several thousand media persons were actively abetting the coup). it was for THAT the bush crims sweat everytime they are alone together. they are traitors, and the record proves it.
911 was a furtherance of the original crime, and it effectively burned the bridges of the mediawhores...they're commited to bushinc. that's ONLY explanations for the wilful lying of the media....bushinc even teases them by letting slip truth 'the tv was on an i thought what a turrible pilot!'
christ sakes, bush moved into crawford ranch day AFTER the election!
the 'phone call' from olsen to 'solicitor general' that pinpointed the culprits as 'box cutter weilding hijackers' mr olsen called cnn and not the cops....cnn eagerly took it from there (helped by bushbots in fbi etc)
even the collapse of the towers seem calculated to force mediawhores to stand on their heads and count from 600 backward minus 18 every step....
bushinc are doomed by their very natures; the mediawhores....what the hell USA going to do about THEM?

[Beam Me Up]

18. Media Whores

bushinc are doomed by their very natures; the mediawhores....what the hell USA going to do about THEM?

I wish I knew.

HEY, MEDIA WHORES!: Not only is your CREDIBILITY on the line, your JOBS are on the line. Without CREDIBILITY how are you going to sell ADVERTISING -- EH?

GET IT: We aren't BUYING your LIES! Not any more.

[PaDUer]

21. Remember when...

MANY of the media people were getting axed in the beginning when he took over the WH? Ever wonder why...

[neebob]

20. Darned if that isn't the lamest,

most condescending, self-serving, contrived story I've ever read. I'm losing my ability to imagine how anyone is able to believe a word he says.

I'm hung up on the part where he gets whisked off and then is sitting in the classroom. He's sitting outside - in a limo, I'm guessing, if there's a TV - waiting to go into the school, and he sees the first plane hit. Then he gets whisked off - to where? They whisked him off to the classroom?

Next thing we know, he's sitting there in the classroom, but he hasn't had any time to think about this extremely unusual and horrific accident at this world-famous building because ... well, because what is going on in the classroom requires 100 percent of his attention and he's been whisked and everything. I guess he had to like dive right into that goat story or whatever it was - no time to think, must read goat story.

I think he got mixed up there for a minute, talking to Jordan - having to remember this kid's name and repeat it five times - and he got the whisking out of sequence.

[Harrumph]

22. Explain this please....

snip
I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident.

The video of the first plane hitting the tower was not televised until the following day. There was nothing on TV except the first tower smoking. I have been waiting a long time to have this explained.

[neebob]

24. Good point

I didn't know the video of the first plane wasn't aired until the next day, but it's also true that he couldn't have seen the plane hit - not on the news, anyway, because it wasn't on until after it happened. I remember reading (probably here) some speculation that there was live video in the car, but that's a little too far out there to suit me.

Anyway, he'd probably just say he meant he saw the tower smoking like everybody else - Joe Average American, sitting in his limo, watching TV.

[Beam Me Up]

27. MORE * LIES:

This, again, is from the timeline

Unfortunately, Bush has never been asked - not even once - to explain these statements. His memory not only contradicts every single media report, it also contradicts what he said that evening. In his speech to the nation that evening, Bush said: "Immediately following the first attack, I implemented our government's emergency response plans." (White House, 9/11/01 http://cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/2001/whitehouse091101.html ) It's not known what these emergency plans were, because neither Bush nor anyone in his administration mentioned this immediate response again. Implementing "emergency response plans" seems to completely contradict Bush's "by the way" recollection of a small airplane accident.

[hedgetrimmer]

25. Nice... Calculatis Eliminates sure does help a lot!

The world saw a smoking tower, Georgie saw an airplane... things that amke you go hmmmmm. Thanks for the isolation of the easily over looked comment.

[Beam Me Up]

26. Apparently * has never even been ASKED to explain it!

Now, EXPLAIN THAT, if you can!

He is either LYING, saying he saw something that he did not see

OR

He is so stupidly addled and confused he has NO IDEA WHAT he saw

OR

He is telling the truth: He SAW the FIRST PLANE hit the WTC via some non-public video feed. As damning as the other possibilities are, the implications of the latter are the MOST damning because it could be evidence of MIHOP. SOMEONE WOULD HAD TO HAVE KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO HAVE CAMERA READY FOR THE STRIKE.

Still, the MOST AMAZING THING is that, although Bush tells this story ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS as documented by the White House itself--NO ONE IN THE PRESS HAS EVER ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN THESE INCREDIBLE STATEMENTS! January 5, 2002:

Q What was the first thing that went through your head when you heard that a plane crashed into the first building?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida. I had gone down to tell my little brother what to do, and -- just kidding, Jeb. (Laughter.) And -- it's the mother in me. (Laughter.) Anyway, I was in the midst of learning about a reading program that works. I'm a big believer in basic education, and it starts with making sure every child learns to read. And therefore, we need to focus on the science of reading, not what may feel good or sound good when it comes to teaching children to read. (Applause.) I'm just getting a plug in for my reading initiative.

Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."

And in the meantime, this teacher was going on about the curriculum, and I was thinking about what it meant for America to be under attack. It was an amazing thought. But I made up my mind that if America was under attack, we'd get them. (Applause.) I wasn't interested in lawyers, I wasn't interested in a bunch of debate. I was interested in finding out who did it and bringing them to justice. I also knew that they would try to hide, and anybody who provided haven, help, food, would be held accountable by the United States of America. (Applause.)

Anyway, it was an interesting day.

From this link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html

Frankly I can't BELIEVE they've left these stories UNEDITED on the official White House Web Site. What--speaking of "reading programs that work"--do they think we're all like BUSH and can't READ?

[neebob]

32. There it is again

"I had seen this plane fly into the first building." Why isn't everybody all over that statement? Combine it with the other one, and you have a president who goes around saying he saw something that he couldn't have seen unless he knew it was going to happen. Or the person who showed it to him knew and didn't have a problem with his knowing as well. Or, if he didn't see it, he just makes stuff up to make himself look like a big man and doesn't consider that it couldn't be true or just assumes others are too stupid to question it. Or he did see it and is so arrogant and confident, he believes he can say something that could put him in prison and it will help him, not hurt him.

Best case, he's a lying, self-serving, foolish excuse for a president who makes up a story about walking by a TV that - whether it was on or off - had something on that couldn't have been on. Worst case, he's a brazen criminal who believes he can talk about his crimes and nothing will happen to him. And nothing does. This infuriates me.

[Beam Me Up]

33. You're infuriated!

Good!!

The man is an ignorant, arogant son of a wealthy war-profiteering American aristocratic family. They feed on oil and drugs and blood and death. The entire family is a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE and has been for generations. Everything they do is meant to enrich themselves and the interests of their global business partners--many of whom have no allegiance to the United States or its Constitution. They profit from prohibition. They profit from war. They profit from terrorism and clandestine 'intelligence' operations. It's all tied together in one bloody package. This family is just ONE REPRESENTATIVE OF A GLOBAL CRIMINAL CLASS who often act in consort to achieve mutually beneficial aims and agendas. When they're not doing that, they're at each other's throats through their proxies.

The people of the United States must rid themselves of this scum and then we must help the other peoples around the world who YEARN FOR FREEDOM FROM THE YOKE OF CRIMINAL ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL TYRANNY to do the same.

[LunaC]

29. Furthermore

The teachers at the school have stated that their TV wasn't even plugged in so it was impossible for him to have seen anything televised from the school.

[xxqqqzme]

28. has there been any public testimony

on why the rules, governing the 'off the flight plan', were abandoned...ignored.....when it was clear the flights had been hijacked? my brain is not functioning - I can't remember the terminology....