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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:33 PM
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With ALLLL the flight schools around the world, including EUROPE why did
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:41 PM
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1. Because it's cheaper? (n/t)
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marie123 Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:50 PM
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2. our flight schools
are safer


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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:52 PM
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3. because Jebby let them train in Florida?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:18 PM
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6. Bingo!

It's no coincidence that Jebby is friends with the flight school owner, named Hilliard. Jebby also flew the Venice Flight School records out of Florida and back to DC. Inside jobs need close control.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:32 PM
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8. Jeb's flight with the records on Sept 12:
"But according to one local law enforcement official, 'The FBI took all our files, everything.' Then he added that, 'they loaded two Ryder trucks right outside that (police station) window, then drove them right onto a C130 military cargo plane at Sarasota airport which flew out with Jeb Bush aboard.'" The records contained "all the flight instruction evaluations, after-action reports, personality profiles, and financial records of all Arab terrorist flight students at Huffman Aviation School in Venice, Florida."

Daniel Hopsicker has done great work, with the field virtually to himself, researching the Florida angle. For those who haven't discovered his work, visit his site and read his archive under "previous stories" for some eye-opening, underreported news: /

And Hopsicker's just released the book "Welcome to Terrorland: Mohammed Atta and the 9/11 Cover-Up in Florida." Some of its revelations:

"Mohamed Atta had an American girlfriend, with whom he lived for two months in Venice, FL., who was intimidated into silence by the FBI...

"Terrorists, strippers and mysterious German associates mingling together in wild booze and drug fueled party weekends in Key West...

"The mysterious money man behind the purchase of Huffman Aviation in Venice had his Lear jet seized at gunpoint by DEA agents, with 43 lbs. of heroin onboard... the same month Mohamed Atta arrived at his school.

"Far from merely being negligent or asleep at the switch, the available evidence indicates the CIA was not just aware that hundreds of Arab 'flight students' began pouring into Southwest Florida in 1999, but was running the operation."

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:46 PM
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9. Is that all you got?
hee, hee. I likes messing with my Canadian friends these days.

Thanks for digging this up. In addition are you familiar with the bank accounts of some of the hijackers being in Suntrust bank which is housed in the Bush Executive suites? Suntrust was involved in Iran Contra. I gotta run, but thought I'd put that out. p-mail me if you want links.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 02:17 PM
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10. Yes, and what's more, SunTrust
is another one of those funny Warren Buffet links to 9/11. Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway Inc is heavily invested in SunTrust.

"Dennis Lormel, the chief of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's unit conducting the financial inquiry of the Sept. 11 plot, told the New York Times that the hijackers moved $325,000 through 14 bank accounts at SunTrust Bank, making that bank the most heavily relied upon."

Even more interesting: Berkshire Hathaway has a subsidiary, FlightSafety International Inc., a flight school at which one of the 9/11 hijackers is said to have trained.

Abdulrahman Al Omari "lived in Vero Beach neighborhood near two other men, Adnan Bukhari and Amer M. Kamfar, who are linked to investigation. All three took flying instruction together at Flight Safety International."

And lookee here, from FlightSaftey's own website:

"FlightSafety was also selected by Raytheon as its subcontractor providing the Ground Based Training System for the Joint Primary Aircraft Training System (JPATS) used by the US Air Force and navy for primary pilot training."

Whenever I see the name Raytheon, my tinfoil starts to spark. A leader in remote flight technology and deeply steeped in the military-industrial complex. Four Raytheon employees, I believe, flew on three of the sparsely-occupied 9/11 flights. After the attacks, Raytheon landing strips were used to shuttle the Saudis and bin Ladens out of the country.

More on Buffet and 9/11:

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:21 PM
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7. agree - Bush Knew
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:52 PM
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4. They got a good deal on the price?

See also (web site of investigative journalist Daniel Hopsicker) for more info on the shady goings on with terrorists' flight school owner Rudi Dekkers in Venice Fla.

EXCLUSIVE--Venice, Fl. Authorities are probing the European business associations of a Venice flight school owner, whose school at the Venice airport trained the nucleus of foreign national terrorist pilots, looking for possible links to international organized crime groups, reported by the San Francisco Chronicle on Sunday to be laundering large sums of drug money for major terrorist organizations. Organized crime said to launder billions for terrorists. Three of the airliners involved in the September 11th terrorist attacktwo in Manhattan, and one wrested to the ground over Pennsylvaniawere piloted by terrorists who had trained at two flight schools at the Venice, Florida airport.

Dekkers was widely interviewed on television after the disaster expressing outrage over the terrorist attacks, and disclaiming any responsibility for the actions of former students. But he may have been lying in his portrayal of his association with the men who became eventual terrorist pilots, when he repeatedly stated they were people who had just basically "walked in" off the street into his school at the tiny Venice airport.

Instead, Rudi Dekkers was actively marketing his flight school in Germany at the exact same time Mohamed Atta and his terrorist cell left Hamburg and moved to Florida, where several immediately enrolled in his school. Both ringleaders, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehri, each believed to have piloted a plane into the World Trade Center Towers, learned to fly at Huffman Aviation flight school in Venice, Fla.


In press interviews, Dekkers has inferred that students pilots were just showing up at his flight school and thrusting fistfuls of dollars (10,000 of them) across his counter. But what if it was the other way around? What if Mohamed didnt go to the mountain, but that the mountain, in the guise of the portly Dekkers, came to Mohamed? If Dekkers was actively marketing in Germany when the terrorists moved to the U.S., he bears closer scrutiny...

Experts have been wondering how a conspiracy of such size and duration could have gone unnoticed by US intelligence agencies and law enforcement.

At least 15 of the far-flung network of terrorist pilots got their money from the same (so far-unnamed) source. While in the Venice area last year, the terrorist suspects opened checking accounts during the summer.

We called someone who used to work at something like the CIA. "How could the Agency not have known about 15 foreign pilots all paid from one source?"

He chose his words carefully. "I would assume that they did know. It would seem almost-impossible for them not to."

More articles at

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karabekian Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:15 PM
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5. it is cheaper and easier here
I used to work at a small airport and there was a company there who specialized in foreign visitors getting licenses. They had instructors who spoke other languages and were always busy. Apparently in other countries is far more expensive and harder to get a pilots license. It was cheaper to come to the us, live here for a few months and get the liscence than to do it at home.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 02:52 PM
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11. "Venice Airport Used for Covert Ops"
From a report by Daniel Hopsicker:

The Venice Airport, now notorious for two Dutch-owned flight schools which trained three of the four terrorist pilots in the Sept. 11 attack, has been utilized in covert U.S. operations since the earliest days of the Cold War, according to a top local law enforcement official.

"Venice was even targeted by the Soviet Union in the event of nuclear war, because of the military nature of certain activities taking place at the Airport," the official said.

During the Vietnam War pilots were trained in Venice for the paramilitary operations of CIA-proprietary Air America, stated the official. So too were bush pilots, a decade-and-a-half later, during the conflicts in Central and South America during the Iran-Contra era.


Since most of the hijackers used Florida as their home base while they were in this country, and since 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, a big part of the story of the terrorist conspiracy that attacked America is, perforce, a story about "Saudis in Florida." And the company's name that kept coming up again and again in connection with stories of Saudis in Florida is that of major U.S. defense contractor Raytheon.

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