Unbelievable. A new low in conspiracy theories.

[JohnLocke]

Apparently some people believe that the CIA and the Mossad blew up the hotels in Iraq. Do they realize they're just giving fodder for Hannity and Limbaugh to spew?

Can you imagine them saying, 'Those liberals, they believe that we blew up those hotels!' This disgraces our cause, to embrace conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact. I was opposed to the war in Iraq, and I am as liberal as anyone. But I defy anyone -- anyone! -- to give me evidence that the CIA and/or Mossad blew up the hotel.

On edit: By the way, why would the CIA want to blow up a hotel? Bush certainly wouldn't want to, as it further proves that we're losing.

[rinsd]

1. Nothing new....

"Apparently some people believe that the CIA and the Mossad blew up the hotels in Iraq. Do they realize they're just giving fodder for Hannity and Limbaugh to spew?"

After the Madrid bombing, the same scenario played out.

[JohnLocke]

2. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I'm not a true liberal unless...

A) I supported Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, or Al Sharpton.
B) I condemn Israel at every point I can, while ignoring the charades of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
C) I believe that the crimes of the Chimperor absolve all other leaders of responsibility for their crimes.
D) I advocate withdrawing from Iraq immediately, even though that would be more irresponsibly than starting the war in the first place, as leaving it in ruins would lead to a host of problems.
E) I think that the DLC is evil, and is a bigger threat then the RNC.
F) Peak oil will kill everyone -- soon!

[Mountainman]

6. You left out hatred for SUV owners and wealthy centralist Democrats

[SmileyBoy]

11. Don't forget believing that Peak Oil will kill everyone in 20 years.

Another good one.

[JohnLocke]

12. Good one...

But we really should be looking for alternative energy sources so we won't be slaves to Saudi oil.

[kalian]

20. Sigh....

:eyes:

I love it when uninformed people post.

[OKNancy]

39. It depends on where you get your information

Reliable scientific journals or kooky wildeyed websites

[JohnLocke]

44. Apparently the latter.

:eyes:

[kalian]

61. Nice try....

completely uninformed...
That's OK, I guess you believe that Israel is a "true ally" of the
US. What "kooky" websites do you get that from?

[10376173]

13. Left is right

Amen Brother John, Amen

[JohnLocke]

47. Thank you (nt).

[bhunt70]

56. good list

[minkyboodle]

73. And I'm sick and tired of

A) Being labeled as a conspiracy nut/elitist leftist/smelly hippie/evil anarchist because I supported Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean or Al Sharpton or any other Dems who I feel represent the core New Deal democratic values which attracted me to the party in the first place.
B) I lurk in the I/P forum and I don't think I've ever heard you condemn any Israeli action even once. I have seen every Dem who even begins to suggest that maybe we don't have the most evenhanded stance on the I/P issue get condemned instantly as anti-Israel and as a horrible liability. As far as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan I haven't really seen to many posters defending them around here...
C) Don't really know what this is getting at except that some on this board may have differing views on some world leaders such as Chavez etc than you. I can't say as I blame them as many world leaders have been unjustly smeared by the USA through the years for political purposes.
D) This is a snipe at Kucinich I assume. His plan does not call for leaving Iraq in ruins or immediately, it is conditioned on the cooperation and participation of the United Nations before any troops leave Iraq. It also includes other wacky ideas such as reparations, moral responsibility and UN protection of Iraq's national resources for the Iraqi people.
E) While I don't necessarily think the DLC is evil I do disagree with their/Clinton's triangulation strategies. If you look at the democratic losses in House/Senate and state legislative seats since the DLC's ascendancy it isn't wacky for a Dem to suggest that the DLC strategy may be hurting our party more than it is helping.
F) If you are really comparing Peak Oil to Mossad/CIA conspiracy theories I really don't know what to say to you. I will say however that peak oil will never kill everyone not even in the worst doomsday scenario. It will however radically change the makeup and possibly size of the world's society. As to when it will happen, well I guess I'd have to put on my tinfoil hat for that one.....
Anyway, I don't think you are nearly as persecuted as you make out to be. Certainly not enough to merit posting a whole thread lumping every conspiracy theory in with those surrounding one event.
Scott
FYI I don't think these bombs have anything at all to do with the CIA or Israel.

[BradCKY]

78. LOL Great Post

I'm with you 100%. :)

[outinforce]

86. You Also Omitted

Unless I agree that children in the womb are mere lumps of tissue which can be destroyed at any time and for any reason until the umbiliccal cord is severed.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Why do you find this so unbelievable?

Did you not realize, the CIA blew up a mosque in the 1980's to get ONE leader and ended up killing 100 people who were not their target?

Hannity is a fucking tool who can say what he wants..but history proves he's a fucking puppet.

[JohnLocke]

8. I know about the CIA and the Taliban and bin Laden. That has been proven.

But the CIA and the Mossad blowing up the hotels? Why?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. The same thing would have been said in the 80's about the mosque

and again, the fact that we are being manipulated by the most secretive administration ever in the history of the US fosters much of the conspiracy allegations.

[Zero Gravitas]

21. Why ask why?

some people don't even need a motive, let alone a single shred or evidence, to blame any given event on Bush.

[thingfish]

34. So it's only the MOSSAD part of the theory that bothers you?

My but that's interesting.

[JohnLocke]

36. Where the hell did you get that?

I said I know that the CIA has done some shadowy things in the past, but it's ridiculous to assume that they blew up the hotel this morning. What is so hard to understand about that, 'thingfish'?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

52. Shadowy things? That's the understatement of the year.

They're a fucking criminal and terrorist organization. I don't think they had anything to do with this. But the fact that they do the things they do makes people suspicious, whether right or wrong. Same goes for Mossad.

[kalian]

69. Yeah, after all....Sharon authorized the Mossad

to assassinate people even on US soil. Makes one wonder what they
can accomplish, no? Maybe alter presidential elections? Who knows...?
:shrug:

[Gimel]

88. Is that a lesson

in Paranoia?

[kalian]

89. I don't know....ask JohnLocke....

its his paranoia thread and I don't really want to hijack it.

[leesa]

74. Ummm...because they want all-out war in the ME? Not too hard to figure

Why do you think we're there in the first place?

[Offshore Bush]

42. There's a lot of stuff we don't know about.

To assume that intelligence organizations are moral institutions is just naive. Anything is possible.

[donco6]

4. It hasn't been that long that we had. . .

. . . numerous threads accusing * of pulling the Twin Towers job.

I mean, the guy's evil, but really.

[KissMyAsscroft]

5. There are some people here with the tin foil cutting off the circulation!

That's what the ignore button is for, but it's a shame that random people visiting this site for the first time have to see these insane conspiracy theories.

I believe a lot of these people are freepers trying to discredit the site.

[JohnLocke]

7. It's like handing Coulter a pistol to use against us. It's not productive.

[texastoast]

9. Consider this . . .

What if Rush and Hannity blew up hotels in Iraq and leaked the CIA idea so sheeple liberals would espouse it, so Rush and Hannity could point the finger at ALL liberals.

Hey, they have to spew for a living somehow.

:puke:

[kichigai usagi]

14. The Neo-Con Nazis

will stop at nothing in order to maintain a state of terror that the chimp can use for election.

No connections on the surface, but deep in the cia underground...you never know what's cooking.

[kalian]

72. And just WHO are the "neo-con Nazis" composed off....?

Its an amazing coincidence, no? Conspiracy...? I'd say that there is
one, but we're not allowed to question nor investigate....lest we
be called names...

[bobthedrummer]

76. Right on.

[rooboy]

15. Vince Foster, Ron Brown etc etc etc...

it's not like the right wing hasn't embraced a few conspiracy theories of its own. People are free to post these theories if they want, but eventually they will need to come up with some good circumstantial evidence.

As for defying anyone to come up with evidence that the CIA or Mossad were involved, it's a bit silly to think that we would really have this kind of information isn't it?

I don't trust any country's intelligence agency, least of all the CIA, FBI and MOSSAD. Whilst I doubt they pulled off the bombing in Baghdad, I don't share your sense of outrage at the suggestion. The reputation has been well earned.

[lastknowngood]

16. The discovery channel did a documentary called "The Brotherhood"

I suggest you watch it. The CIA have assassinated world leaders overthrown legitimate governments and provided the false evidence for the staging of wars throughout it's history. There are now NO restrictions on the CIA at all and the shrub's father was an agent and the former head of the CIA. It's not hard to see their hand in Haiti and Venezuela and their motivation has always been to further the influence of the powerful in this country and to manipulate public opinion. In one little seen in the film an arrogant cigar smoking bastard recounts how they killed entire villages in south America and left evidence the leftist gorillas had done it and he waxes longingly for the days he sat safe inside a building while people were dieing outside the window drinking and smoking and having a good time. These are the people your defending.

[orwell]

17. The (Veil) of Tears

Hannity and Limbaugh will spew no matter if we supply them with fodder or not. The people who listen to them don't care if it's made up or real.

As far as intelligence agencies supporting specific "terrorist acts", the point is essentially moot. They have and will use terror when it meets their geopolitical objectives. Rarely would you or I know which group they incite. Loyalties change with the changing of the objective. (Osama vs Russians...good Osama. Saddam vs Iran...good Saddam) Are intelligence agencies capable of standing idly by while atrocities are being committed if they believe it is in the geopolitical interest, absolutely.

Were they responsible, or at the very least complicit in 9/11, 3/11, or today's bombing? It can't be known. Sad to say, after many years of brutal bloodletting in the name of "freedom", it can't be ruled out either.

In essence, those that assert that they know, don't.

O

[Skip Intro]

18. Re: Madrid bombings/election

One of the bush regimes staunchest allies in the murderous fraud that was the Iraq invasion has been fired by the people of Spain, just after a terrorist attack that killed over two hundred. In a van nearby, the Koran was found (same as 9*11). Those are facts.

Here is the spin, which you can catch in any major newspaper or tv news outlet: The election in Spain was a clear victory for the terrorists. This is being pushed, and pushed, by the regime and its media arm. What is the clear implication of such an assertion, repeated so often now that certainly it has begun to sink into a few clueless brains? Its that a vote against bush in 04 is a vote for terrorism. Its that a vote for Kerry, or anyone other than bush, is a vote for terrorism. Can you not see that? Why else would the bush gang be pushing this meme so hard?

Check out this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com//discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=428135&mesg_id=428283&page=

Now does this mean bushco, or some ally thereof, actually pulled off the attacks on Spain in order to make this argument seem reasonable to the sleeple? Its not proof. But there is motive, potential gain.

I guess it all comes down to what actions you think are beneath the bush gang. The same gang that shocked and awed a few thousand to death, and more to pieces, when there was obviously absolutely no reason to do so. The same thugs who harass and slander those who disagree with them. The same ones who have turned tragedy after tragedy, from 9*11 to anthrax letters to level orange to the Madrid bombings, into benefit for themselves.

I guess you just have to ask yourself, "what exactly are these thugs above doing to keep their grip on power?" For me its not a matter of "what are they capable of" but "what aren't they capable of.

As for the hotel bombs in Iraq today, I don't have any feeling that bush or any of his cohorts are behind it. But I don't think for a minute he'd hesitate to off a few people if he thought he had to to maintain power or manipulate the media away from something damaging to himself.

Didn't mean to go on and on here, and I'll just stop by saying, with all respect, I am not about to censor myself in order to appear "rational" to the likes of coulter or hannity or buzzy limbaugh.

[info being]

19. When you have misleaders who decieve you with every word..

it is only RATIONAL that we look to conspiracies as a way to explain our world.

[thingfish]

22. You should educate yourself about the CIA...

...and the Mossad before callously denigrating other people's very legitimate fears.

[JohnLocke]

24. Very legitimate fears? Any evidence? I didn't think so.

[thingfish]

26. Why do you answer your own questions? Why did you even start this thread?

Are you trying to start trouble where none was brewing? Because it sure seems like it.

[JohnLocke]

27. Here's a link for you...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1245706

[thingfish]

28. Where?

I don't see a link.

[thingfish]

29. Got it now.

Thanks

[thingfish]

31. THAT's what sparked your outrage?

Come on. Get a grip. Don't get tripped up on your flag.

[JohnLocke]

32. I should get a grip!?

You should get a grip -- on this fixation with CIA/Mossad conspiracy theories.

[thingfish]

33. Once again, you're over-reacting.

I never said the CIA or the Mossad was involved. I think if anyone's obsessed about Mossad conspiracy theories here, it's you.

[Name removed]

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[Gimel]

87. On what basis

Why have you referred to John as a paranoid?

[JohnLocke]

93. None whatsoever.

I'm 'paranoid' because I don't believe that the Mossad and CIA are involved in global conspiracies to blow up hotels with no evidence and no motive. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[John BigBootay]

91. Overreacting--

That's what Blix said about US terrorism fears 2 days before Madrid.

That's what people say when they know there's a problem, but don't wish to deal with it in a real way.

[Minstrel Boy]

43. To me, the onus is now on them to prove they didn't blow people up.

I've seen too much and learned too much to credit them with any less than a standing presumption of guilt. Until proven false, it seems an entirely reasonable default position about every godawful thing.

I posted a thread about this thought here earlier today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1245087

[JohnLocke]

46. "The CIA did it" is your "default position about every godawful thing"!?

Are you serious?

[Minstrel Boy]

68. Oh, I'm not limiting it to the CIA.

There are a lot of letters in Washington's bloody alphabet soup.

[hang a left]

77. That is a whopping 14 votes there Mr. Locke.

Hardly representative of DU as a whole.

And by the way I think it is highly likely that the bombing of the hotel this morning was the handy work of obscure evil minded people that actually could be working for some intel agency.

You can't look at events in this country today and around the world and not wonder what the hell is going on. Africa, South America, Middle East, Carribbean, the Good Ole US of A. There is some freaky stuff going on. Just look at the actions of our Congress in the last two years. Something is up. It is like we are in a rapid dissent into??????? Who really knows there are so many sub-plots.

But don't mind me I don foil for every occasion

[ParanoidPat]

41. If a sexual predator who was known to have assaulted children.....

.....on multiple occasions moved into your neighborhood and a child suddenly disappeared, would you question that person as to the possibility of their involvement? :shrug:

[JohnLocke]

45. Tell me something, my aptly named friend.

Why would the CIA (and/or Mossad) WANT to blow up the hotel and then blame it on insurgents? Wouldn't this be counterproductive to Bush's mission of painting Iraq as a success? :eyes:

[ParanoidPat]

48. I've been sitting here all day long watching C-SPAN.....

.....showing the House of Representatives debating a resolution declaring that, by GOD, America is now a safer place because we ignored International conventions and laws to remove the EVIL Saddam. As far as the Republicans in the House are concerned we are safer and they've voted on a RESOLUTION that PROVES IT! :crazy:

The Administration is now claiming that it was Al Qaeda that bombed the hotel. To date there has been no solid proof that Al Qaeda has been operating in Iraq. Now they claim that this bombing proves AQ is there.
At the same time the resolution proves that America is SAFER!
In short, to the Kool Aid drinkers in this country, the administration just got the best of both worlds. We're fighting terrorists not insurgents and we're safer because of it.
How many times now has Rumsfeld said that the attacks against us prove that we're winning in Iraq. :shrug:

I've never claimed that the CIA/Mossad were involved but at the same time I would welcome a thorough investigation of the facts by any outside agencies because history has taught me that the CIA would be capable of an atrocity like this. Don't believe me? Read up on Operation Northwoods. :scared:

[nolabels]

92. Letting off on the logic a little light are we

Lets see, Occupying a country, bombing the shit out of it, holding siege for more than a decade and just about any other thing just to get hold of the oil spigots.

They did that and you cannot deny. So what would make you think they have changed course any? The whole effing world watching, while they spin the blatant lies and some how some people say "ah man, your crazy, they are not really that bad".

This must be some case of mass hypnosis or something :nopity:

I have no speculative answer for any of it, but I also hold no assumptions on a whole world of possibilities.

On edit: sorry Pat not questioning anything you posted, this thread and the things just got a little under my skin. People seem to take everythng others say verbatim with out seeing the big picture and if others don't have vested interest (regardless if they a little dilusional). After all what normal person would want to kill hundreds of people, espeicaly in ones own country with even the possibility of blood relatives in the mix. You really have to ask yourself who in their sane mind would do that?

If was AQ how did they get the stuff in the country, or who would give it to them. Could it have been somebody else also. The timing of all this stuff just seems rather suspect. All too many questions to be answered, so an hour or so after it happens they come out with "it was " how conveneint to have AQ

[T Bone]

54. well I will butt in here just to say you have to recall

Bush saying that insurgent attacks were 'proof' of our success. Continued insurgent attacks proved that we (read he) were/was succeeding in Iraq, because the insurgents didn't like it. I think it was the preface to his 'bring it on' remark. Propaganda sure. But remember Bush believes his own propaganda, and contrives situations and proofs to support it. Who knows who was behind it. But Bush's loonieness in these types of assertions....? It could take him anywhere followed to it's illogically logical extension.

[ParanoidPat]

55. LOL! "it's illogically logical extension".....

.....about says it all! :evilgrin:

[shance]

79. Quit trying to shame people John. We want the truth. Whats your agenda?

Why are you concerned about individuals asking questions?

Why are you protective and defensive?

I dont like this any more than anyone else, but your pretty obvious bias taints your own credibility away from simply allowing the truth to unfold.

Yes, at this point, it could have been anyone with a good motive.

Why are you trying to halt an honest inquiry instead of allowing it to play out to the end? Whats the fear?

And there are a few significantly powerful organizations that would and could have motives that could potentially benefit from this horrific event.

Imagine if you will that your own family had been involved in this situation. Wouldnt you want the truth?

And I have to ask why are you so quick to scape goat Middle Easterners? Im not implying they may not have some individuals involved however, does that not reflect am overall bias and/or racism on your part as well?

I am asking these things because you need to confront your own biased attitude, before attacking others at DU.

History has shown humans time and time again, that IF we avoid the truth and allow an illusion, however dysfunctional and dishonest to manifest, things only become tragically worse, and hear me on this one, FOR EVERYONE****

You may think you can escape the aftermath, but this globe has now become too small. It will affect you as well, eventually, if things continue to worsen, economically, physically, mentally or all of the above.

Tragedy and unnecessary horrific things will affect ALL of us if we CHOOSE to defend wrong doings or ignore them instead of confronting them. Take a look at the outcome of Germany. Yes some escaped their wrongdoings, but they never really did. They were always running from their own acts. If they had halted when they could, they could have prevented an overall genocide, but obviously many kept with the Nazi party, probably out of fear and denial.

There simply is no way out of confronting the reality and the truth, unless we say enough, and not by blaming the easist, most convenient target, or the scapegoat, but by confronting the ones who are doing the actual damage and destruction. Just play things out for yourself and look at the big picture.

[MadHound]

83. Then tell ME something

Why would Israel/Mossad start up and fund Hamas, just in order to neutralize the PLO? <http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r>

[JohnLocke]

84. Bullcrap.

[keithyboy]

23. Tell me again about where those "mercenaries" came from?

Must have been another "tin foil hat" story.

[Rex]

25. I personally don't see any viable reason why the CIA\Mossad

would hit the hotels. Killing civilians for no apparent gain just doesn't make any sense IMHO. I mean, why to terrorize them? The whole fucking country is terrorized by foreign invaders!

[kalian]

70. Problem is....we don't know WHO was in that hotel....

you will never know who was staying at the hotel.
It really doesn't matter, neither the CIA nor the Mossad can be
held accountable.

[DrZhivago]

80. exactly

A hotel makes an ideal target for an intelligence agency or rather operatives of such agency, to conduct a public assasination. Whereas a terrorist organization (such as Al-Qaeda) would pick larger more visible targets that carry a message convey their cause like 9/11 and 3/11.

More than likely it is local insurgency or their equivalent to the mafia.

[rman]

82. the gain is in blaming it on Iraqies

-

[librechik]

30. why, do you think they would hesitate to entirely fabricate or twist

some similar remark that we might make? We have free speech even if you or I don't approve of the content.

It really doesn't matter what anyone here actually says or thinks. The Right will find a way to smear us anyway.

And besides, we have done it before, (or at least proposed it) so why shouldn't it be part of the discussion?

[tjwash]

35. I'm suprised that SH and Junkie boy haven't blamed the Clenis yet.

nt

[ParanoidPat]

37. Funny, I heard the same type arguments a year ago......

.....about the Black Box Voting threads. :evilgrin: OMG! They'll make us all look like idiots!

So do you think the School of the Americas taught Home Economics and English as a Second Language?

Ever heard of a PR firm called Hills and Knowlton? (Hint, babies, incubators, Kuwaiti ambassadors daughter?)

Arms for hostages? Air America? Drugs for Guns? Does the Tonkin Gulf ring a bell? Bay of Pigs?

Each and every one of the items listed above had it's critics claims dismissed as "conspiracy theories". I could go on and on about things like "Operation Northwoods" but if you take 10 minutes to check out the mainstream sources on the items listed above I think you'll get my drift.

You ignore your own history at your own peril. :evilfrown:

[bhunt70]

57. well to take your examples and apply them to everything that doesnt seem

right, without any verification or reason, is a bit irresponsible.

[ParanoidPat]

75. Could you please elaborate?

In my post I merely point out that in every example I cited those who first attempted to expose the truth were smeared as "conspiracy theorists". I never intimated that they should be applied "without any verification or reason" to "everything that doesnt seem right".
I will go as far as to say that anything that has to do with the current Administration, in light of the lengths they've already proved they will go to for their agenda, bears close examination. How many in the current Administration have been convicted for these types of covert operations in the past? ;-)
(I'll start you off, think TIA/Poindexter and go from there. :) )


It would be irresponsible, IMHO, to not question thoroughly every aspect of this sideshow. :(

[kalian]

64. Makes you wonder what spectrum range...

the original poster is from. :shrug:

[Q]

38. Seems there are two types of people who talk about...

...conspiracy theories. The very brave and the very naive.

- In Locke's world it would be better not to discuss theories at all because it gives fascists like Limbaugh yet one more topic to smear the Left. But what kind of world would this be if no one was brave enough discuss the unpopular?

- And...discussing theories has nothing to do with political afffiliation or ideology. A 'liberal' stands up for the people and their rights under the Constitution.

[0007]

40. junior knew

http://www.guerrillanews.com/sci-tech/doc2927.html

In the spring of 2002, something began to happen - gapping holes in the official 9/11 narrative began to be covered by the mainstream media. It was widely reported that the FBI's Minneapolis office was refused permission to search the laptop of the so-called 20th hijacker Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested after trying to learn how to fly, but not land, a 747. Agent Coleen Rowley wrote in a memo he was the "type of person that could fly something into the World Trade Center." The so-called Phoenix memo also leaked - a July 2001 FBI report that warned bin Laden operatives might be taking fight training in the U.S. so that they could launch terrorist attacks on American targets. They were both ignored. Numerous other warnings from domestic and foreign intelligence agencies were reported, including an August 2001 CIA report that stated bin Laden was planning a major attack. In May 2002, Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post blared, “Bush Knew.”

[DuctapeFatwa]

49. Are you sure getting the poll locked is enough?

Maybe you could get together with some like-minded CIA-Mosaad supporters and petition the administrators to forbid any suggestion of involvement of either organization in anything unsavory, past or present.

[kalian]

71. Don't question citizen!

just comply! </sarcasm off>

[JohnLocke]

85. I didn't alert on the poll, if that's what you're saying.

I didn't even see it until after it was locked -- by Skinner himself, I might add.

[DuctapeFatwa]

94. I still think you should consider my suggestion

It seems obvious that unless it is specifically forbidden and enforced with strict zero tolerance, people are going to suggest malfeasance, corruption and various other nefarious behavior on the part of both CIA and Mosaad. I think their fans supporters owe it to them to do everything they can to have expression of such ideas stamped out, and the perpetrators severely punished.

[camero]

50. I love conspiracy theories

Because that's what gets people looking for answers. Anybody ever tried to find out what happened by just saying, "Oh well, things happen".

[TahitiNut]

51. Yup. Conspiracy theories abound in fact-free environments.

I heard a doozie back on September 12th, 2001. :eyes:

[camero]

53. Think about it

What is a conspiracy theory but speculation? And specualtion leads to answers. If it were up to the powers that be not wanting the blame to be on them, they wouldn't even try to find out what happened.

[Sterling]

58. Yes thinking is good.

Being told what to think = bad.

[JohnLocke]

59. Facts = good. Speculation = Bull

[rman]

90. speculation leads to facts

ignoring facts is bull.

[Sterling]

95. Exactly, every good cop knows that.

If we never raised questions or deveolped theories the worl would always remain a complete mistery.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

60. The I'm no tinfoilhatter, but I'm not naive

Does Guatemala in 1954 ring any bells?

http://history.acusd.edu/gen/20th/guatemala.html

Indonesia, 1965. CIA compiled death lists for anti-Communist Indonesians.

http://www.namebase.org/kadane.html

From 1947-1970s, Greece, the CIA helped Fascists in Civil War and Coup

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue43/articles/1947_1970s_greece.htm

Iran, 1953.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I also wouldn't doubt their involvement in Haiti or Venezuela.

[kalian]

63. Mossad's motto:

By way of DECEPTION, thou shall wag war....


Gee...I wonder WHO they are deceiving... :eyes:

[Kathy in Cambridge]

65. Should be the CIA's motto too

especially under this maladministration.

I'm reading Chalmers Johnson's "Sorrows of Empire", and he mentions that the foreign policy of Bushco and their use of the intelligence apparatus is like the Cold War. In other words, we'll force world events rather than wait for them to happen.

[DisgustedTX]

66. I want to know what PROOF we have in either direction

"Hijackers" found alive; mysteriously crumbling buildings; hurried rush of evidence to a dump; stonewalled investigations; miraculous business falling into the hands of Halliburton - that's just a very mild start.

[Oilwellian]

67. I stopped worrying what other people thought

a long, long time ago. That's what adults do.

[Nikia]

81. I don't discount conspircay theories

The reason why is that I have seen conspiracies on a small scale. When I was growing up, both sides of my family were involved in local politics of both political parties, my mother worked in a number of public type positions, she had close friends who worked at the local newspaper, and I hung out at the local coffeeshop where many local politicians and businessmen met. I saw and heard conspircies, some of which publically came out later and some that didn't. From what I saw in my small city and county, totally less than 100,000 in population, I think that I can be pretty sure that there are conspiracies on a larger scale in larger scale politics. It makes sense, doesn't it?

[Sterling]

97. Yes it does.

I dare say it extends to our own personal lives. I am in fact involved in several conspiracys at the moment, shhh, keep it on the DL, lol.

It is human nature to work in colusion for a common goal.

[JohnLocke]

98. Kick (nt).