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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 02:23 PM
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A Cut And Dried Criminal (Bush, Niger, Wilkinson)
Ever since I started writing, a long long time ago, I have dreamed of writing something that will change the world for the better. I'm talking about that one swift stroke, that perfect turn of phrase, that home run swing, that peal of thunder that shakes the very ground. Some people dream about winning the Super Bowl. I dreamed about this. I feel like maybe, just maybe, I'm close with this below. Help me out - did I miss anything? Do I need to add anything? Is this the story?

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There was a picture on the front page of the New York Times on Tuesday, July 8. It showed several American soldiers in Iraq sitting in utter dejection as they were informed by their battalion commander that none of them were going home anytime soon, and no one knew exactly when they were going home at all. PFC Harrison Grimes sat in the center of this photo with his chin in his hand, staring at ground that was thousands of miles from his family and friends. A soldier caught in the picture just over PFC Grimes’ shoulder had a look on his face that could break rocks.

Very nearly two hundred of PFC Grimes’ fellow soldiers have died in Iraq, and many more have been wounded. The war created chaos in the cities, and it seems clear now that very little in the way of preparation was made to address the fact that invasion leads to social bedlam, not to mention a lot of shooting. Last Sunday, CNN’s Judy Woodruff showed a clip of a Sergeant Charles Pollard, who said, “All we are here is potential people to be killed and sitting ducks."

According to the numbers, almost two thirds of the soldiers killed in Iraq since May 1 died in “non-combat related” mishaps like accidental weapons discharges, accidental detonations of unexploded ordnance, and car crashes. There are some in the world who might take comfort from the fact that only one third of the dead since May came from snipers or bombs or rocket-propelled grenades. Dead is dead, however. There is no comforting them.

A significant portion of the dead and wounded came after Bush performed his triumphant swagger across the deck of an aircraft carrier that was parked in San Diego bay. Those dead and wounded came because the Bush administration’s shoddy planning for this whole event left the troopers on the firing line wide open to the slow and debilitating bloodletting they have endured. A significant portion of the dead and wounded came after Bush stuck his beady chin out on national television and said, “Bring ‘em on!”

Mission Accomplished. Remember that big banner?

I got slaughtered when I took the LSATs, so my legal wisdom may be a tad creaky. This, though, strikes me as a crime. When a leader sends troops out into the field of battle, they become his responsibility. When his war planning is revealed to be profoundly faulty, flawed in ways that are getting men killed, he should not stick his banty rooster chest out to the cameras and speak with the hollow bravado of a man who knows he is several time zones away from the violence and bloodshed.

If it is a crime, it is only one within many.

Bush and the White House told the American people over and over again that Iraq was in possession of vast stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Bush and the White House told the American people over and over again that Iraq was directly connected to al Qaeda terrorism, and would hand those terrible weapons over to the terrorists the first chance they got. Bush and the White House told Congress the same thing. Very deliberately, Bush and the White House tied a war in Iraq to the attack of September 11.

It was all a lie. All of it.

When George W. Bush delivered his constitutionally-mandated State of the Union Address in January 2003, he stated flatly that Iraq was attempting to develop a nuclear weapons program through the procurement of significant portions of uranium from the African nation of Niger. CIA Director George Tenet made this same claim in a briefing to a Senate Intelligence Committee on September 24, 2002. This briefing was the deciding factor for a number of Senatorial fence-sitters unsure about voting for war. Bush, in a speech delivered on the eve of the Congressional vote for war on Iraq, referenced the Niger uranium claims again when he raised the specter of a “mushroom cloud” just three sentences after evoking “The horror of September 11.”

That sealed the deal. Congress voted for war, and a clear majority of the people supported the President.

A CIA advisor named Terrance J. Wilkinson has turned all of that on its head. Wilkinson was present at two separate pre-war White House briefings where the Niger claims were raised and discussed. George W. Bush was present at both of these briefings, and was told both times that the intelligence on the Niger uranium was unreliable.

The evidence was, in fact, a set of crudely forged documents first analyzed in February 2002 by US Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who had been dispatched to Niger by Dick Cheney himself. "It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place," Wilson was quoted as saying in the Times about an Iraqi attempt to procure uranium.

In other words, the evidence to support an Iraqi nuclear program was utterly worthless. Bush was told this on two separate occasions. "The report had already been discredited," said CIA advisor Wilkinson. "This point was clearly made when the President was in the room during at least two of the briefings." Bush’s response to this, according to Wilkinson, was to become furious.

"He said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," Wilkinson said. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country."

Wilkinson could have saved his breath, and Wilson could have saved himself a trip, if Bush had bothered to pay any attention to the International Atomic Energy Agency. The IAEA’s chief spokesman, Mark Gwozdecky, said on September 26, 2002 that no such evidence existed to support claims of a nascent Iraqi nuclear program. Gwozdecky was responding at the time to statements made by both Bush and Blair, who claimed Iraq was close to having the bomb. This was the first time the forged Niger documents were used to justify war.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer on July 8 stood before the press corps and said the President’s statements during the State of the Union address had been “incorrect.”

When Bush was twice told the evidence he wanted against Iraq was fake, he got angry and demanded that the CIA find an analyst who would tell him what he wanted to hear. After learning that his Niger evidence was a forgery, he stood before the American people and told them it was fact. He sent the Director of the CIA to the Senate under orders to use the same worthless evidence to cajole that body into war. That is not being “incorrect.”

That is lying. In the context of his position as President, and surrounded by hundreds of dead American soldiers piled alongside thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, that is a crime.

They know it, too.

A report hit the Reuters wires late Tuesday night announcing the arrest of an Iraqi intelligence official named Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani. An unnamed “US official” claimed al-Ani had reportedly met with 9/11 ringleader Mohammed Atta in Prague just months before the attack. The old saw about Iraq working fist in glove with al Qaeda to bring about September 11 was back in the news.

According to the story, neither the CIA or the FBI could confirm this meeting had taken place. In fact, a Newsweek report from June 9 entitled “Where are the WMDs?” shows the FBI was completely sure such a meeting had never taken place. The snippet below is from the Newsweek article; the ‘Cabal’ statement refers to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and his coterie of hawks who have been all-out for war on Iraq since 1997:

“The Cabal was eager to find a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda, especially proof that Saddam played a role in the 9-11 attacks. The hard-liners at Defense seized on a report that Muhammad Atta, the chief hijacker, met in Prague in early April 2001 with an Iraqi intelligence official. Only one problem with that story, the FBI pointed out. Atta was traveling at the time between Florida and Virginia Beach, Va. (The bureau had his rental car and hotel receipts.)”

Amid the accusations that have exploded surrounding the revelations of Wilson, Wilkinson and other high-ranking intelligence officials, comes now again reports of the infamous Iraq-al Qaeda connection, an administration claim meant to justify the war. As with the Niger forgery, however, it is too easily revealed to be utterly phony.

It reeks of desperation. This administration is learning a lesson that came to Presidents Nixon and Johnson with bitter tears: Scapegoat the CIA at your mortal peril.

There are many who believe that blaming George W. Bush for the errors and gross behavior of his administration is tantamount to blaming Mickey Mouse for mistakes made by Disney. There is a great deal of truth to this. Groups like Rumsfeld’s ‘Cabal,’ and the right-wing think tanks so closely associated to the creation of administration foreign policy, are very much more in control of matters than Bush.

Yet Bush heard the facts of the matter and brushed them angrily aside, demanding that the facts be bent to fit his desires. He allowed CIA Director Tenet to lie to Congress with his bare face hanging out in order to get that body to vote for war. He knew the facts and lied himself, on countless occasions, to an American people who have been, to date, almost slavishly supporting him, even as he beats them over the head with the image of collapsing towers and massive death to stoke their fear and dread. He did all these things, and got his war, and thousands more are dead.

My LSAT scores may have been crummy, but I damned well know a criminal when I see one.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:15 AM
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1. Hi Will in this paragraph
Bush and the White House told the American people over and over again that Iraq was in possession of vast stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Bush and the White House told the American people over and over again that Iraq was directly connected to al Qaeda terrorism, and would hand those terrible weapons over to the terrorists the first chance they got. Bush and the White House told Congress the same thing. Very deliberately, Bush and the White House tied a war in Iraq to the attack of September 11.



The words "posed a threat" to America might be well placed somewhere
in there ...I'm going to read the rest now ..
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:17 AM
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3. Thanks
Fixed.
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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:15 AM
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2. One question
Were you able to verify the Wilkinson story?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:17 AM
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4. Is there a question of its validity? n/t
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:21 AM
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5. Some are concerned
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 02:22 AM by OhMyGod
that it was only reported by Capitol Hill Blue. I found another source, Japan Today, that was very similar. Any chance you can find this guy Wilkinson and interview him?

On Edit: spellin'
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:23 AM
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7. I have found CHB
to be one hell of a good source. I am not aware of any instance where they have blown it. I'll stand by the report on the basis of that, and be shamefaced if it turns out to be wrong.
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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:24 AM
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8. I think so -
check out thread on Capitol Grilling

http://www.capitolgrilling.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=010395.

Seems as if Capitol Hill Blue may not be too reliable.

Also, in paragraph where you mention that servicemen are getting killed, you might want to add servicewomen.

Other than that, a wonderfully written piece (as usual)!!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:29 AM
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9. The author defends his piece here:
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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:42 AM
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12. I know - I saw that earlier but
I'd feel better if you could talk to this Wilkinson guy. You know, a second source. Freepers were going nuts on this today too and doubted the source.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 05:34 AM
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24. I burned out on capitolgrilling long ago,
so I've lost track of the players, but WTF is TLBSHOW doing leading a Bash Bush thread?! I'm stunned to see that little termite pissing on his hero.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:22 AM
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6. The "because I say so" administration
This is corroborated by Rand Beers' assessment that these gangsters already know what they want to do and merely bend, twist and fabricate the excuses to push on.

If this man will swear to this, the only question is whether Junior was ever told that the discrediting had been discredited. Being put in the presence of this specific information, well in advance of the SOTUA, and then using it anyway is "bearing false witness to thy neighbor", "coveting thy neighbor's goodies", "lying thy fucking ass off", "dishonoring thy father", "stealing", "killing", "doing others under" and a host of truly impolite things.

What will really sell this is that the image of him being Furious George (Spurious George, too) in a public room and demanding they find some stooge who'll vouch for the creation science necessary to prove their already divined truth smacks of truth. This is the same kind of person who goes all twitchy at ringing cell phones. This is a classic Hitler outburst, and it has the taste and feel of authenticity. People will believe this.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:36 AM
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10. Hello William, I'm not a Writer, but I am a veracious reader & you
hit that one out of the park.

"Ever since I started writing, a long long time ago, I have dreamed of writing something that will change the world for the better."

You already do this, everytime you put pen to paper.

You are a teller of Truth & you are getting more & more eloquent with each piece you write. You are a wonderful writer & the Sun is just
beginning to shine on you.


Peace be with You

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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:07 AM
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36. You're an honest reader?
Or do you mean voracious?

Sorry to nitpick, but I honestly was not sure what you meant.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:39 AM
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11. "Do I need to add anything? Is this the story?"
This is the BEGINNING of the story WP.
And a very good place to start.
Can't wait to see what you write about the people BEHIND it.

Want to go on research treasure hunt?
Want to be the man who reveals the people behind the curtain?
Start here:
Richard N. Hasse
Add the name Lawrence S. Eagleburger.
And what the heck, you'll find it on your own,
George H.W. Bush

You have only begun to write the story my friend...
Don't stop.
BHN


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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:49 AM
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13. PS: You've Got Mail...
BHN
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darkstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:05 AM
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14. Hey Will
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 03:12 AM by darkstar
See yr up late too.

Re:

"The evidence was, in fact, a set of crudely forged documents first analyzed in February 2002 by US Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who had been dispatched to Niger by Dick Cheney himself. "It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place," Wilson was quoted as saying in the Times about an Iraqi attempt to procure uranium."


Lots floating around, I realize, but in his original op ed, Wilson states he never saw memorandum.


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/opinion/06WILS.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fContributors
<snip>
(As for the actual memorandum, I never saw it. But news accounts have pointed out that the documents had glaring errors — they were signed, for example, by officials who were no longer in government — and were probably forged. And then there's the fact that Niger formally denied the charges.)
<snip>

Just (fact?) checking in; up late proofing myself; if Wilson's stated otherwise since then on tv or other outlets, you're one to know....

Kick ass, brother man. Good stuff. Much more inspiring than my neck of the woods (and wetlands). Keep meaning to PM you links some day.

Darkstar crashes (soon, I hope)



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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:16 AM
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15. A number of people have wondered if Wilkinson's testimony could be
verified. I think the fact that he is identified and not anonymous makes it more likely to be true. Also, though, what he said is SO explosive that surely others are trying to get him to talk to them, and very soon something else about him will surface. And I do agree with PurityofEssence about the scene he described being essentially believable--and powerfully convincing.

And now to a few minor nits:
--"beady chin"? (I only know beady eyes, but maybe this is a regionalism?)
--"so my legal wisdom may be a tad creaky" (did studying for the LSAT give you legal wisdom which you lost years ago? it sounds odd--especially claiming "wisdom." I know I'm being picky here, but if you could say the same thing in a slightly different way...)
--"If it is a crime, it is only one within many." (I'd just say "one of many")
--"dispatched to Niger by Dick Cheney himself" (I may be wrong about this, but I don't think Wilson was in direct contact with Cheney or Cheney's staff. I think he was contacted by someone at the CIA and told that this assignment was in response to a request by Cheney or Cheney's office. If I'm right, it would not be good to overstate the Cheney connection--it's bad enough anyway.)
--""It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place," Wilson was quoted as saying in the Times" (was there an article in the NYT about Wilson? or is this from his op-ed piece--in which case it would be Wilson "saying" not "quoted as saying"? I only saw the op-ed, but there could have been an article too, I guess)
--"old saw about Iraq working fist in glove with al Qaeda" ("saw" seems wrong here--to me, it means a "proverb" or "folk-saying")

End of nit-picking. (Ignore all if you like--I was being compulsive, listing everything as it occured to me.) Otherwise, great job putting it all together! I especially liked that you tied in Tenet's lies to the Senate Intelligence Committee--IF, as you suggest, Tenet was following WH orders, then Levin's approach might circle round to meet the others who are accusing Bush* more directly.


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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:22 AM
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16. this is a very good start
I'd put something in about Ari's strong denial in monday's press conference, that Cheney's office had anything to do w/sending Wilson to "the nation of Africa," as his boss calls it.

why? cause Wilson is quoted as saying that it was Cheney's office that requested he go there.

don't have that link at hand now, but I linked it before, and you can find Ari's denial at JM Marshall's blog.

wouldn't this be a good way to highlight the stark difference between what they say, and what is is?

also, this link from the BBC, in which an unnamed CIA officer has THIS to say:

Doubts about a claim that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from the African state of Niger were aired 10 months before Mr Bush included the allegation in his key State of the Union address this year, a CIA official has told the BBC.
.................................

....But the CIA official has said that a former US diplomat had already established the claim was false in March 2002 - and that the information had been passed on to government departments, including the White House, well before Mr Bush mentioned it in the speech.
.................................

....Now the CIA official has told the BBC that Mr Wilson's findings had been passed onto the White House as early as March 2002.

That means that the administration would have known nearly a year before the State of the Union address that the information was likely false.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3056626.stm

the junta's great excuse?

one they've used before, do defend their fecklessness in assaying properly the relevant material pre-911:

".....the White House received hundreds of intelligence reports every day."

gee, don't bother to have anybody take the time to actually find out what might be IN any of those things, like, maybe Osama's been invited to Beltsville for a tractor pull, or something.

how much more inSULTing can they get?
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:27 AM
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17. Number of soldiers killed in Iraq
There was an AP report on June 28th stating that the death toll passed 200. Your 2nd paragraph understates that number.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/iraq/6188118.htm
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ianbruce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:39 AM
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18. He should have gone up the river years ago...

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Mirakul7 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 04:09 AM
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19. You Get the Superbowl Ring
or whatever the top prize is for winning the big one. I think you have done an excellent job and I look forward to reading your book. Your website is very effective also.

If I had to make one constructive comment it would be that you don't mention Condoleeza Rice and the lying she has done in this mess. Watching her on some of the talk shows lately is almost comical, it reminds me of Ronald Reagan when he had lied so much that he couldn't remember what lie he had told to whom. I will always believe that this constant lying is what led to his current problems with Alzheimer's Disease. Now Rice is in the same position.

I agree that blaming Bush the Two for making any important decisions is like blaming Mickey for Disney's actions. Bush the Two is just the willing poster-boy, once again having been given the job he wanted by his father's so-called friends. His strutting, cock-of-the-walk attitude has made one writer in the NY Village Voice call attention to a photo of Bush and the pilots on the aircraft carrier. Everyone is strapped into his flight suit and appears quite normal. Bush's crotch however, is obviously stuffed and strapped in a way that makes him look almost obscene. Stuffing him with socks is just more Republican spin, to make a big cowardly spoiled brat come off more macho. In a real fight, he'd be a sniveling, snot-dripping cry-baby.

About six months ago, Laura Bush was "reading" to a group of youngsters who ask her if the President was a "real" cowboy. She replied that they had no horses on their ranch and that he was what is called a "windshield cowboy" meaning a cowboy that drove a jeep.

I also want to congratulate you for writing a book about a subject that our Democratic officials will not touch. I've been sick to death of them ever since the Florida voting fiasco and grow more disillusioned everyday. The average people on this DU board have more enlightening things to say than those we have chosen to represent us.
If any of them by chance read what I am writing here then my message to them is, "GET UP OFF YOUR SCARED ASSES AND START DEMANDING INVESTIGATIONS AND PUBLIC EXPLANATIONS THE SAME WAY THE REPUBLICANS DID WHEN CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE!"
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 04:11 AM
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20. What A Talent You Have
I wish that I could express my feelings in words as eloquently as you do. And then, to ask for criticism is remarkable. Best wishes to you Will Pitt, people like me are counting on people like you to get the word out!

From what I can see, even those that have some critical remarks are genuine in attempting to help you with your piece. Best of luck to all concerned. I don't post much but today my adrenaline is forcing me to. I think we're getting much closer to the end of this National Embarrassment.
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 04:55 AM
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21. would you like to register here, and put your two yen in?
truthout org??
maikeru (Jul 9 2003 - 17:25)

...there' two types of lions in this world...lion tamers, and lyin' bastards...truthout org, is the latter


from the Japanese site/capitol blue dupe

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=8&id=265801

way at the bottom of the responses
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 05:05 AM
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22. great article
keep notes, we are relying on you to cut through all the bullshit.
this is big history going down, and you are one of the top scribes.
now is the time. now if we could just wake up the sleepers.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 05:09 AM
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23. Fine piece, but as to your one time shot at doing something definitive
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 05:10 AM by revcarol
to help the world, afraid that you will have to keep at it. Don't forget the Watergate SERIES. There is much more under those rocks...]

Perhaps nitpicking: some one above(sorry for no credit)mentioned Rice. Is there some pithy lying statement by our "sexy" Rumsfeld that you could include to indicate that this is a full-court press of lying in lockstep? Or would that take the focus off Bush? IMHO, orchestrating lying(criminal conspiracy to defraud taxpayers??????LOL) is MORE heinous that Bush just having a hissy fit to get his war. You've already got Tenet and Bush on the spit, how about some others?


How ya like those mixed metaphors?
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 06:01 AM
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25. Thank you, Great job
I believe this is the photo of the troops you refered to. It speaks powerfully about their situation. Anything that you can do to bring down the LYING, CRIMINAL cabal that put them there, I am sure they will be extremely grateful for.

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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 06:56 AM
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26. One quibble - in the SOTU * only mentioned Africa, not Niger
specifically.

There is something missing from the whole work, though. The * "doctrine". Released in late September 2002, it required validation, required an acceptable target to legitimize it, and required enough of a "threat" to sell it to the country.

The PR firm that handled most of the marketing of the Gulf War found that the public responded "favorably" to the threat of nuclear weapons, so GHWB began hyping that threat almost immediately. The same thing happened here. They hyped the uranium "issue" the same way Daddy hyped the nuclear threat from Iraq. They hyped the "atrocities and gassing his own people" the same way Daddy hyped the "babies being thrown from incubators and pregnant women being bayoneted".

The administration had a doctrine it wanted to implement, and the doctrine had to be proved. They were selling the doctrine of preventive war as much as they were selling specifically invading Iraq. He not only got his war, but the world got the doctrine. The doctrine is far more dangerous in the long run.
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Quahog Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:47 AM
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27. One "point of fact"
Fine piece of writing as always, Will. I do think that the web of deceit woven by this administration regarding 9-11, al-Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden is too extensive and complex to thoroughly dissect in one article (can one dissect a web? Obviously, I'M not a writer). But as others have suggested, you have the first chapter in what could become a book titled "The Decline and Fall of the Bush Family Evil Empire."

Knowing how freeps just LOVE to latch on to the tiniest inaccuracy and use that to discredit an entire life's worth of work, I need to comment on this phrase:

"...Bush performed his triumphant swagger across the deck of an aircraft carrier that was parked in San Diego bay."

The carrier was definitely not parked IN the bay when Bush landed. San Diego's urban center and international airport are built right on the bay, and landing the POTUS on a carrier there would be logistically tricky (flying in over the highrise city center just like the commercial aircraft are forced to do), and highly visible. My understanding is that the carrier was actually about 30 miles out to sea, but within sight of Point Loma, the promontory which partially defines San Diego's harbor (supposedly, the cameras were only allowed to shoot in the direction of the open ocean, to make it look more like the resident had met them en route).

It's a minor point, but I'd hate to see your excellent work be picked to pieces just because you wrote that the carrier was IN the bay when it was in fact in open waters.

Keep swingin!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:58 AM
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28. And isn't it a "crime" to let the crime continue ?
And how could one even imagine that the "competent" people around Bush would permit him to dispute the facts and demand "facts" that supported his obsession with Saddam Hussein?
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:02 AM
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29. Leave out the LSAT references.
They misplace the punch and weaken the impact. Completely irrelevant and distracting, making the reader wonder what you are defensive about. No need for it. This is a strong piece and can stand on its own without a pointless hook.

I am another grateful admirer of your work.




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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:03 AM
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42. Glad you're on our side!
Ditto on the LSAT, and yet the reference is repeated providing a strong unifying element. The two problems I have with the "LSAT" referral are: 1) it has the effect of lessening the credibility of the writer (you) 2) it seems slightly esoteric. Prehaps a more effective point might be "The Ten Commandments". Lying is pretty clear cut in those babies, and iirc, you have the authority to cite them. Also, the reader would instantly associate with the allusion.

Yes, the chin modifier has your reader hit a speed bump. Junior's chin tends to display unwarrented hubris. How about: bullying...or arrogant...or infantile...or dastardly...or ?

Again, I'm glad you're on our side, and thanks for all you do.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:05 AM
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30. Outstanding, Will
I hope this reaches a wider audience. We need to go beyond our little circle and spead the word to those who need convincing -- those who have been relying on the television networks to be their window on the world and have been betrayed by a media bought and sold by the same people who buy and sell presidents.

When the soccer mom and the construction worker realize that they've been had by this den of liars and thieves, the trumpet will sound.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:14 AM
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31. Great piece!
I have two suggestions:

1. Make stronger the point that the commander is responsible for the lives of his crew, and if he fails, then he is soley culpable.

2. Bring the story back around to the soldiers and the fact that * lied and soldiers are dying. Make it personal.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:23 AM
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32. Bush’s response to this, according to Wilkinson, was to become furious.
Actually Will...Wilkinson was quoted as saying "Bush's response was anger".... Now I know that anger and furious run in the same family but I'd say that furious was the bigger brother....

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml

It's a small point but hey...us Dems want accuracy....
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:24 AM
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33. Will.....
you always have the perfect turn of phrase. This is a great article, as is all of your work posted here. I don't know if your dream will come true in the way you want it to, but never doubt that you are making a difference. In May, my husband and I were in Santa Monica at Borders Books on 3rd Street, and my husband handed me one of your books, and said, "This looks interesting." I practically shouted, "That's MY Will Pitt! The guy on the Democratic Underground who has done more to educate me than anyone else!" I can't tell you how thrilled I was to see your book there...I felt like your mother must feel! One of these days, you will be a regular talking head on CNN and MSNBC and anywhere else you might want to be, if you want to be. And those of us on DU will watch, smiling broadly, and say, "That's our Will."

BTW, I noticed that soldier in the second row, too. I saw the pic you posted last night, and I couldn't stop thinking about him the rest of the night.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:31 AM
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34. Call it Treason. Call it Murder. Call it Manslaughter.
Or call it what it really is, a violent Crime against Humanity.

Nice essay.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:47 AM
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35. Good Writing Piece
I agree with the poster who recommends you take out your LSAT scores bit - don't knock your intelligence or belittle it at all. You are a school teacher so obviously you are an educated man, don't let the reader think otherwise.

This paragraph really grabbed me for sure:

When his war planning is revealed to be profoundly faulty, flawed in ways that are getting men killed, he should not stick his banty rooster chest out to the cameras and speak with the hollow bravado of a man who knows he is several time zones away from the violence and bloodshed.

If you haven't read the below, it would be well worth your time to read. This truly blew me away last night as I was reading, and it might give your piece another angle - wars are only fought for profit. People don't seem to get that.

http://www.konformist.com/911/war-is-a-racket.htm

Also - I want to think with 9/11 heating up - with all the information we (you) have and know - that that article you write about that when it reaches mainstream (which is happening) might just be your real Grand Slam - lying about a war is HUGE, but allowing September 11 and the slaughter of 3,000 Americans will be your masterpiece if you can write it in such a way that people really get it and it gets wide publications as most of your articles do now. Nothing will be able to save this administration when that truth is known.
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sirshack Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:08 AM
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37. You need to interview this Wilkinson guy......n/t
....
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:08 AM
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38. Beautifully written
Now, besides posting to TruthOut, we need to see if we can get prolefeed publications to pick it up as well.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:09 AM
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39. You may (or may not) want to add...
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 10:04 AM by JHB
...not only did * use this to win over some fence-sitters, but the "smoking gun" of African uranium justified all of the (mal)Administrations complaints about the UN inspectors, since they obviously didn't find this stuff (and whatever operation Saddam had to use it), and to justify the aspersions cast on many of our European allies for not backing Bush.

My one possible quibble is that Bush "knew it was false". On the contrary, from what was said, he "knew" it was true, despite having been told it was false. Of course, it doesn't really matter whether his falsehoods are due to lies or delusions, he still started a war on false pretenses, and it's ordinary Americans who are paying the price in blood and money.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:11 AM
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40. Excellent point JHB...
As always.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:04 AM
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43. Oh, not "always"...
...but thanks
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:10 AM
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44. Bonus points
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 10:11 AM by Donna Zen
Junior has the reputation for being lazy and lacking curiousity. A leader has the responsibilty to find out why the Niger info is shakey. He's supposed to have a whoop-ass team; he's certainly charging us enough for them. So why does he fail to ask questions? Could it be that the trumped-up, AWOL asshole is not fit to serve? (rhetorical question)
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:44 AM
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49. But he knew "how to delegate"...
...after all, he did it for all those companies he ran...and tanked (oops).

Aren't we all so glad "the adults back in charge"?

:argh:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:49 AM
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41. Tuwaitha proves that the uranium hype was all lies
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 09:50 AM by Stephanie
They never gave a damn about uranium, as evidenced by the fact that they did nothing to secure the known nuclear sites inside Iraq. This is the flip side of the issue you raise. This damns them, IMO.

I wish you would speak to this Wilkinson before you publish. I would really like to know what more he has to say.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/6068775.htm

Looting of Iraqi nuclear facility indicts U.S. goals
If we feared the loss of radioactive materials, why not guard them?

TRUDY RUBIN
Knight Ridder Newspapers

TUWAITHA, Iraq - On a dusty road, just outside of Baghdad, lies one of the great mysteries of the Iraq war.

<snip>The administration knew full well what was stored at Tuwaitha. So how is it possible that the U.S. military failed to secure the nuclear facility until weeks after the war started? This left looters free to ransack the barrels, dump their contents, and sell them to villagers for storage.

How is it possible that, according to Iraqi nuclear scientists, looters are still stealing radioactive isotopes?

The Tuwaitha story makes a mockery of the administration's vaunted concern with weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. military hastened to secure the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad from looters. But Iraq's main nuclear facility was apparently not important enough to get similar protection.

<snip>And why, in facilities other than Location C, is the looting apparently continuing?

Hisham Abdel Malik, a Iraqi nuclear scientist who lives near Tuwaitha and has been inside the complex, told me that in buildings "where there are radioactive isotopes, there is looting every day." He says the isotopes, which are in bright silver containers, "are sold in the black market or kept in homes." According to IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming, such radioactive sources can kill on contact or pollute whole neighborhoods.

How could an administration that had hyped the danger of Saddam handing off nuclear materials to terrorists let Tuwaitha be looted? Maybe the hype was just hype ... or maybe the Pentagon didn't send enough troops to Iraq to do the job right.

Either answer is damning.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:20 AM
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46. If you can find him for me
I'll see what I can do.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:16 AM
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45. After this piece is published send a copy to every member of Congress
and Demand all players be put under oath and a full investigation be held. The charges are too great to be ignored.
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foxglove1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:21 AM
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47. Will, about soldiers dying in "car crashes"
There was a thread on DU a few days ago with I believe an email from a soldier stationed in Iraq, and he said that the majority of the deaths in car crashes are the result of Iraqis ramming humvees and other vehicles with our soldiers in them, running them off the road and/or flipping them over, and that the Pentagon doesn't see fit to report these as *combat* deaths because they're merely the result of *car crashes* .... yet another sick twist and spin on the part of Rummy to keep our loss numbers down

Sue
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:35 AM
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48. My two cents
"I am absolutely confident in the decision I made," It wasn't Bush's decision to make, it was the decision of Congress. The story about Cheney going to CIA headquarters is a huge part of this as well as Rumsfeld creating his own intelligence department. Bush apparently thinks *he* makes decisions and then trumps up "intelligence" to support his decisions, even if that means feeding these lies and manipulations to Congress and the American people.

Also, there is a definite changing of the CIA's reports to Congress if you follow them from 1998 to 2002. A big why is in order on that one. I hate to allow Bush any wiggle room or ability to blame the CIA and I'm concerned that the 2002 statement does that.

But I like it, gathering up all the stories and putting them in one location is something that I had hoped somebody would do!!!!
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