BUSH connected to JFK Assassination

[Octafish]

Lee Harvey Oswald and George Herbert Walker Bush are connected through George de Mohrenschildt, Oswald's CIA-appointed "Auntie" and Bush's oil-buddy. De Mohrenschildt was an acquaintance of both men and had Bush's phone number, nickname, address, family birthdays and more information in his address book. He also had Lee Harve Oswald's info.

That's ONE DEGREE OF SEPERATION.

http://www.ciajfk.com/chapters.html

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/25th_Issue/bca.html

http://www.lizmichael.com/bushykno.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ky/ohwhy/Bush.html

QUESTION:During the 40th "anniversary" broadcasts last year, one DUer remembered hearing Michael Beschloss relate that Barbara Bush took her oldest son George to watch the motorcade in Dallas that day. That leaves the question where was Poppy and what was he doing?

[UTUSN]

1. Kevin PHILLIPS, American Dynasty

nails the 1980 October Surprise to Poppy and CASEY, another VERY BIG no-no. What a criminal creep. And his spawn, too.

[jean]

2. don't you feel like Kevin Phillips has written the bush bible? It rocks!

[Octafish]

7. Watch Phillips here:

He gives a nice synopsis in a lecture available via Quicktime (please scroll down a bit):

http://www.snowshoefilms.com/

For those who like to read, here's an excellent article by Kevin Phillips and Joe Conason from Harper's from February 2000 on the very subject:

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1111/1797_300/59086099/p1/article.jhtml?term=

[Tripper11]

37. Watching now..thanks for this link...

really interesting.

[jean]

44. watching now "he's like a certain kind of fungus-you can't get rid of him"

[Cooley Hurd]

5. I gotta get that book...

Just finished "The Price of Loyalty," so I'm off to amazon to buy it right now. Thanks for reminding me! :hi:

[Cooley Hurd]

3. Wait a sec... Shrub and Bar were in Dallas that day?

Umm... why would two Republicans, especially two who were also members of a spook's family (41's involvement in Bay of Pigs) travel into town to see Kennedy? And, yes, where WAS Poppy that day? Everyone in America remembers exactly where they were that day EXCEPT Poppy...

[Octafish]

9. A DUer reported hearing it on Imus, IIRC.

Sorry I don't have the thread at my immediate disposal. I'll go through the archives and see what I can dredge up. I do remember it was "Presidential Historian" Michael Beschloss and Babs and Smirk were in Dallas. As for Poppy, he was probably up to something. I doubt he was the so-and-so who flashed CIA "credentials" under the big tree in front of the picket fence on the grassy knoll. Poppy would never get his fingernails dirty.

http://www.jfklancer.com/knollagent/knollagent.html

[seemslikeadream]

12. I think that was me Octafish

at least I heard him say that. I don't remember if I posted it.

Yep here it is http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=696051

and the car thing is still creepy

[Octafish]

16. Great Thinks Mind Alike, seemslikeadream!

Thanks for posting the link, DU Friend!

Like your Dream Catcher avatar, perhaps important thoughts are like the clouds moving across the clear blue sky of the Universal Mind. We both happened to see, or in my case, hear about the same one.

Dr. Jacques Vallee says we live in an "Associative Universe," one in which our minds act as a sort of rudder, guiding us more often to the visualized destination. He describes it in detail in "Messengers of Deception," a study of UFO cults and people who manipulate followers and what it means to the greater society as a whole.

http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/UFO-info-age.html

[seemslikeadream]

22. Guardians of the breath

They were guardians of the breath
Trusted with those precious chances
Keeping Gaia from the fear of death
Balances must be defended
To take only what they must
(Borrowed from the future)
Live in lovers of a global home
(Our children will remember)
Guardians slept while comfort came
The vapours poison, the acid rain fell
The spirit cut from earthly bounds
The creature stirred the pain
How much abuse can she take
(Awake from your dreamtime)
The lines are drawn our justice awaits
(Will the guardians surrender)
The forest bare, a desert born
The life pushed out
They sold her cheaply
All for a shilling for next week's treat
A marvel that had taken ten thousand years
To take only what they must
(Borrowed from the future)
Live in lovers of a global home
(Our children will remember)
They are guardians of the breath
Trusted with those precious chances
They are guardians of the breath
Balances must be defended

Howard Jones

[goforit]

4. Sounds like real story line for the movie " The OMEN"

I wonder if Teddy Kennedy has any idea what so ever.

If he were my brother .......hmmmmm.

Let us not forget that the Bush's were good friends with the
Hinkley family as well.
Two similar plots from one mastermind???.......hmmmmmm

[Octafish]

10. Throw in 9-11 and you've got a regular Trifecta.

Funny, the Bushes never bet on anything except a sure thing. When there's dirty money to be made through inside jobs: BCCI, BNL, Nugan Hand, Savings & Loan scams, ENRON, WorldCom, Global Crossing, etc., your more than likely to find Bushes. Probably holds for politics, as well.

We're fair and balanced on DU. Here's a nice overview from waaaay back, 1992:


The Family That Preys Together

From Issue No. 41, Summer, 1992
by Jack Colhoun

GEORGE JR.'S BCCI CONNECTION

"This is an incredible deal, unbelievable for this small company," energy analyst Charles Strain told Forbes magazine, describing the oil production sharing agreement the Harken Energy Corporation signed in January 1990 with Bahrain.

Under the terms of the deal, Harken was given the exclusive right to explore for gas and oil off the shores of the Gulf island nation. If gas or oil were found in waters near two of the world's largest gas and oil fields, Harken would have exclusive marketing and transportation rights for the energy resources. Truly an "incredible deal" for a company that had never drilled an offshore well.

Strain failed to point out, however, the one fact that puts the Harken deal in focus: George Bush, Jr., the eldest son of George and Barbara Bush of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC, is a member of Harken's board of directors, a consultant, and a stockholder in the Texas-based company. In light of this connection, the deal makes more sense. The involvement of Junior-George Walker Bush's childhood nickname-with Harken is a walking conflict of interest. His relationship to President Bush, rather than any business acumen, made him a valuable asset for Harken, the Republican Party benefactors, Middle East oil sheikhs and covert operators who played a part in Harken's Bahrain deal.

In fact, Junior's track record as an oilman is pretty dismal. He began his career in Midland, Texas, in the mid-1970s when he founded Arbusto Energy, Inc. When oil prices dropped in the early 1980s, Arbusto fell upon hard times. Junior was only rescued from business failure when his company was purchased by Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation, a small oil firm owned by William DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds. As part of the September 1984 deal, Bush became Spectrum 7's president and was given a 13.6 percent share in the company's stock. Oil prices stayed low and within two years, Spectrum 7 was in trouble.

CONTINUED...

http://mediafilter.org/caq/BushFamilyPreys.html

This was before all the BCCI bin-Laden stuff became public. This was a looong time before Carlyle Group was formed. This was the time PETRODOLLARS greased the global economy ... and world leaders.

[goclark]

6. Bush and Hinkley

Interesting connection.

I was reading just the other day that there was a connection between the Hinkley family from the Reagan Assassination attempt and GHWBush.
The fascination there to me was that if the association attempt had gone as planned King George the First would have become President.

Those Bushies are always close to the fire but never seem to get burned. To me that means that they are in control of the matches.


Where there is smoke there is fire


:puke:

[Octafish]

8. Well put and "Reich" they are.

Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush were scheduled to dine together the evening John Hinkley opened up on Ronald Reagan.

Gee. That would've made Poppy president in 1981. Instead, he had to wait another 10 years.

http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/HINCKLEY.html

http://www.hereinreality.com/hinckley.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/[e-mail]/msg00103.html

Nice people, those Bushes

[althecat]

56. Bush 41 was having breakfast with Hinkley's dad the day Reagan was shot...

That much is part of the public record...

[seemslikeadream]

57. althecat

Tena ra koe e hoa, ka nui te koa te kitenga i a koe.:hi:

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. Well, Bush Senior was in Dallas on that day...

there are records in FBI files of a "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" being among those questioned by agents of the Dallas field office. (And he claims not to remember where he was on 22 Nov. '63. Hm.)

[NMLobo]

13. Doesn't remember where he was that day!

I read that somewhere too. Anyone (American) who was over the age of 5 on Nov 22 1963 knows where they were that day! I was 6 at the time and I know where I was. Mrs. Owens's 1st grade classroom.
she told us President Kennedy had been killed and they sent us home early. We had to make it up on a Saturday.

Don't remember where your were that day huh? OK Sgt. Schultz.

[Octafish]

20. Like it was yesterday: In the back of my folk's Rambler station wagon.

... We were driving from Indiana to Detroit when we heard on the radio. I was five and I remember. I think I thought: "Life will never be the same," but that may have been added later. However, it is what I remember remembering for a looong time.

When I became an adult, I realized my government hadn't done a very good job of solving the crime or bringing the guilty to justice. From what we can see, the guilty are still a threat to the safety of the general public. That's why I say: "Down with the Bush Organized Crime Family!" From what I can see, they've never explained anything, ever. There must be a reason.

Thanks for reminding me! And a hearty welcome to DU, NMLobo!

[leftchick]

33. I was 5 years old that day...

and the memory is crystal clear for me. Where were you Poppy?!!?

[BiggJawn]

34. No recollection of where he was that day. Makes him the only person...

...alive who can make that claim.
The took us out of our first-grade class room to the lunchroom, where they had the ONE TV set in the whole school tuned to Uncle Walter on CBS. Then the buses came and took us home. It was a chilly grey day, no snow yet.

I was a 6-y-o child, and I have a better recall of where I was that day than a "Decorated" WWII "Fighter" (torpedo bomber) pilot?

Because it'd be embarrassing for Poppy to say "I was in a storm sewer catch basin in Dallas with a Remington Mod. 70 chambered in 7.35 Italian M38 waiting for a Limo..."

[goclark]

40. Like Father Like Son

Hummm,,,His son doesn't remember when or when he was in the Air National Guard. Amazing

[jor_mama]

55. Has 41 ever really said he didn't know where he was that day?

I certainly find it hard to believe. Just one of those "I don't want to know that" things where I'd rather curl up in a fetal position, but does anyone have a link or a story where 41 really said this?

[Spider Jerusalem]

72. He admits to being in Texas.

But claims not to remember exactly WHERE. He also denies being the "George Bush" interviewed by the FBI (described as "a prominent businessman" and as an agent of the CIA in different reports). Which is, of course, exactly what one would expect him to say were he involved in a high-level, maximum deniability black operation.

[Octafish]

14. The only BFEE fears more than an honest 9-11 investion...

... is the Bush family connection to the JFK Assassination. As you know, a "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" was de-briefed by J Edgar Hoover in the hours after President Kennedy's murder. Would that all Americans knew that this "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" also gave Hoover the names of "Cuban Americans" Bush thought might be involved in the President's murder?

http://www.geocities.com/verisimus101/wcr/nixon-bush.htm

http://www.freeworldalliance.com/jfkmurder/thetruth.htm

I'll see if I can find JPEGs to the original documents. They're from the National Archives are initialed by the FBI's leading cross-dresser himself.

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. You mean...

the Cuban-Americans whose CIA handler he was, right? His involvement in the Bay of Pigs fiasco is also documented (although he denies it).

[Octafish]

24. The Bay of Pigs Thing.

Bush was there for Operation ZAPATA as was the SS Barbara and the SS Houston. The only one who wasn't was Nixon, whom the CIA (like most everyone at the time) expected to become president in 1960.

So the War Party gave us...

The Bay of Pigs
The Cuban Missile Crisis.
Mexico City (where SOMEone impersonated the "commie sympathiser" Oswald for the CIA cameras in the summer of 63).
Dallas, 22 November 1963.

ALL these actions, at their core, aimed to start World War III. JFK thwarted the first two. After his death, the War Party at home used the latter two, to no avail, although the Reich wing did get a "consolation" war in Vietnam.

Regarding Nixon: He always referred to the assassination of President Kennedy as "The Bay of Pigs Thing" and kept Bush and the rest of "The Texans" when he sacked most of the White House after his re-election in 1972. Nixon said "Bush will do anything for our cause."

http://epwijnants-lectures.com/ps_richard_nixon.html

http://dirtypolitics.50megs.com/dirty.htm

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. Nixon was also in Dallas in the days leading up to the JFK...

...assassination, and was flying out of town at almost the exact moment of the shooting. He later denied three different times that he was in Dallas that day until he was confronted with his ticket info. He then tried to state that he was present for a Board of Directors meeting, but no such meeting was ever held on the dates mentioned by Nixon.

I seem to also recall that Nixon was also present at a meeting in the home of one of the top Big Oil owners the night before the killing, a meeting which also included such notables as LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover, reps of the CIA, reps of the military, and reps of Big Oil.

As Ike's VP, Nixon was also heavily involved in the planning of the Bay of Pigs operation. Nixon also ran a covert action group out of the White House known as the 5412 Group:

<http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/USO/appC.html>

<http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Indo58.html>

<http://mindgallery.com/hiddenroom/indonesia.html>

[Octafish]

59. Thanks, medialiesdaily! Nixon was a turd of the BFEE.

Excellent memory you have: Nixon was the CIA White House Action Officer, meaning the Tricky Dick was the go-to guy whenever the CIA needed something extra-legal to happen to someone or something. Seeing your links shows we have some friends in common! Here's why this matters from the late Col. Fletcher Prouty, Oliver Stone's "Mr. X."

The reason for the assassination
was to control the power of the presidency.

EXCERPT...

There is a grave conspiracy over the land. The people have come alive because of Vietnam and Watergate; but they have scarcely scratched the surface. A President and a Vice-President have been forced to resign. A President has been shot to death. Two Presidential candidates have been shot, one of them killed. Many of the President's men have been forced to leave, some have gone to jail; others are still under indictment.

      Yes, history has been made by a series of murders, but not enough has been done to solve them. The trial of Watergate was the trial of the cover-up. There has been no trial about the real crime of Watergate. There has been no trial of the big power behind Watergate. The Hunts, Liddys, McCords, and the Cubans were not drawn into that drama solely for their own interests. They were working for someone much higher up. They were all pawns, just like Nixon was. This is a game for the biggest stake of all -- absolute control of the government of the United States of America; and, with control of this government, control of the world. And yet the real crime underlying all of this has not even been identified, stated, and charged. The real criminals still walk the streets, run their corporations, control their banks, and pull strings throughout their political and financial machines.

      This control mechanism did not start in 1972 with Watergate. It began, in a tentative way, in the Korean War era, when the military and the executive branch found out how easy it was to fool the Congress and the American public. And with that recognition, power-hungry and money-mad industrialists began to usurp more and more power. And when those rifles crackled over Dealey Plaza, in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963 and John F. Kennedy's brain was splattered across the road, they had made their move into the big time. They took over control of the President and of the Presidency. The man they had killed was no longer a problem and they had made certain that his successor, Lyndon Johnson, heard and remembered the sound of those guns. It is the sound of those guns in Dallas, and their ever-present threat, which is the real mechanism of control over the American government.

      It is possible now to reconstruct the scenario of that day, and, with new information, to show why the murder of JFK may properly be called the "Crime of the Century." If we the people of the United States do not demand its resolution this year, it will stand in the way of a free election in 1976. It will doom a third century of democratic government in this country.

CONTINUED...

http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/GoD.html

http://www.prouty.org/

[Media_Lies_Daily]

74. Excellent post on an excellent source.

[seemslikeadream]

39. from Kevin Phillips book

Phillips argues the Bush family has parlayed its financial and social credentials, its aristocracy into political and dynastic clout, thereby subverting the very core of democracy, he says. We continued the conversation when I asked him about the Bush family generations, and their relationship with Cuba.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: George H. Walker was a real piece of work. I mean, he was a buccaneer. He was sort of a Joe Kennedy, but with a social register type qualification. He got involved in the 1920's with a bunch of Cuban companies, because of his ties to Percy Rockefeller and the National City Bank. They handled a lot of investments in Cuba. He was a director during the 1920's of eight or nine Cuban companies. George H. Walker had ties to the -- investment ties that were independent, so he had invested in some of these companies. One of them turned out several -- several turned out to merge into something called West Indies Sugar. West Indies Sugar became one of the major American companies in Cuba, and George H. Walker Jr., the son of George H. Walker and Prescott, Bush's cousin was a director, held a family seat on West Indies Sugar. Now during the late 1950's, West Indies Sugar was based in the Indy province in Cuba. That's where the Castro insurgency was developing. Castro and his people sort of shook down West Indies Sugar. They used their trucks and hit them up for money and so forth. They were unhappy with the Castro movement. In 1959 or 1960, I forget which year, Castro's people nationalized West Indies Sugar, and at this time George H. W. Bush's uncle was Director of West Indies Sugar. The value of West Indies sugar had been about $50 million and it wound up being virtually peanuts. I don't know how much their stake was. I couldn't begin to guess. It may not have been nearly as much as one would suggest from the bigger numbers. They were an unhappy set of campers when West Indies Sugar went bye-bye.

AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about the date, November 29, 1963.

KEVIN PHILLIPS: That was the date, I believe, when a document came out of the F.B.I. in which they mentioned having briefed a George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency on the rest of this in Miami after the Kennedy assassination. The C.I.A. and "The Nation" magazine had a couple of articles about this. This is where that came from. The C.I.A. said, well, it's a different George Bush. And it turned out they were talking about a fellow who was a G.S.5, a low-grade federal classification, was an analyst that he analyzed coastlines, so it couldn't have been the same. They were coming up with a red herring there. The allegations of George H. W. Bush's involvement in the C.I.A. often come back to something in the Caribbean and something involving the Bay of Pigs. This is just another suggestion of the probable C.I.A. connections of some sort of George H. W. Bush.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/01/278313.shtml

[Media_Lies_Daily]

47. I'm going to have to buy this book...thanks for the excerpt!

[Old and In the Way]

53. The supply ships for the Bay of Pigs were named "Barbara" and

"Houston".....maybe a 3rd named "Zapata"? Seems that this would be a little too coincidental to be anyone but GHWB. If so, this seems to be a smoking gun. Bay of Pigs was obviously a disaster and I would assume that the chief operative would have had it in for Kennedy.

Anyone know if there is documented proof about these supply ships? I assume that the CIA would have documented this detail.

[seemslikeadream]

60. What do you think of this

Recently I interviewed former CIA liaison officer L. Fletcher Prouty. He is a consultant for the excellent new movie on how the CIA killed JFK, being made by Oliver Stone. He told me that one of the projects he did for the CIA was in 1961 to deliver US Navy ships from a Navy ship yard to the CIA agents in Guatemala planning the invasion of Cuba. He said he delivered three ships to a CIA agent named George Bush, who had the 3 ships painted to look like they were civilian ships. That CIA agent then named the 3 ships after: his wife, his home town and his oil company. He named the ships: Barbara, Houston & Zapata. Any book on the history of the Bay of Pigs will prove the names of those 3 ships. Again, this is more finger prints of George Bush's involvement in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Yet Bush denies his role in this great adventure. Why would Bush be so shy about his role in this war? What is the secret? Is there something dirty about this war that Bush & Nixon don't want the public to know about?

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/kennedy.html

or this

1961 According to the Realist, CIA official Fletcher Prouty delivers three Navy ships to agents in Guatemala to be used in the Bay of Pigs invasion. Prouty claims he delivered the ships to a CIA agent named George Bush. Agent Bush named the ships the Barbara, Houston and Zapata. Bay of Pigs invasion fails. Right-wingers blame Kennedy for failure to provide air cover. CIA loses 15 men, another 1100 are imprisoned.

1963 John F. Kennedy is assassinated. Internal FBI memo states that on November 22, a "reputable businessman" reported hearsay that a certain Young Republican "has been talking of killing the president when he comes to Houston."

http://liberty.hypermart.net/editorials/Kennedy.htm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

63. Bingo.

[fla nocount]

15. Maybe Poppy

..was standing in a storm structure at the bottom of the hill trying to put the little bead between the uprights. It's apparent from ballistics and trajectories that someone was.......might have been where Senior made his bones.

[Old and In the Way]

54. Is there a record of him stating he didn't remember?

The documented evidence seems to directly refute this.

[nolabels]

70. "Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time"

http://www.watchfuleye.com/mencken.html

[JohnOneillsMemory]

79. HL Mencken quotes are just dead on.

"Firmness in decision is often merely a form of stupidity. It indicates an inability to think the same thing out twice."

[Beaker]

77. he was on the grassy knoll.

nt.

[thingfish]

17. BIZARRE BUSH/BINLADEN/HINKLEY/OSWALD/HITLER NEXUS!!!!

Not to mention all those oil sheiks, dictators, drug runners and "contra" death squads.

Has any other family been connected to so many other evil fuckers?!

[Octafish]

75. Not in modern times.

At one time I thought they based their business model on Al Capone, but it more closely resembles that of Caligula.



Then again, it may be because Bush is nothing more than a mean drunk...

Sick Caesar: Remove Bush from office

Bob Fitrakis
March 15, 2003

EXCERPT...

Carol Wolman M.D. asked the question, “Is the ‘President’ Nuts?” even earlier in the October 2, 2002 counterpunch.org. In an attempt to analyze Bush’s bizarre behavior, putting “the world on a suicidal path,” Wolman suggests the President may be suffering from antisocial personality disorder, as described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illnesses, 4th edition. As the manual points out, “There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others: 1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest; 2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying . . . 5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others.”

Professor Katherine Van Wormer, the co-author of the authoritative Addiction Treatment, worries about Bush’s brain chemistry following some 20 years of alcohol addiction and alleged illicit drug use. Van Wormer notes that “George W. Bush manifests all the classic patterns of what alcoholics in recovery call ‘the dry drunk.’ His behavior is consistent with being brought on by years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use.”

Alan Bisbort echoes Van Wormer’s thought in the American Politics Journal, in an article entitled “Dry Drunk – Is Bush Making a Cry for Help?” The list goes on and on. Some suggest paranoia, obsessive-compulsive disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, religious delusions and depression.

SNIP...

What’s harder to determine is which sick Caesar Bush most emulates. Comparing him to Caligula prior to an attack on Iraq would be unfair, although historian A.A. Barrett noted that an eyewitness described Caligula as “. . . a fidgety neurotic.” Barrett writes, “Though his behavior perhaps fell short of madness, it is impossible to determine the degree of rationality he retained.” Caligula has been labeled as “epileptic, schizoid, schizophrenic or just chronically alcoholic.” There’s no evidence that President Bush has ever had epilepsy, other than that, the Caligula analogy does fit.

SOURCE:

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2003/321

[seemslikeadream]

76. Brother Neil admits to being crazy!

Neil Bush ended the verbal love fest with a toast of his own in which he admitted to being "crazy in love" with Maria. He also thanked guests who had come from Saudi Arabia, Hong Kong, France, Mexico and across the country for the celebration.

Other family members unavailable for the wedding were Neil's brothers -- President George W. Bush, who was occupied with Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who was said to have had pressing business in his home state.

Bush family, friends toast happy couple
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/features/2437805

Just a little gossip column kick

[NEOBuckeye]

19. George H. W. Bush may be the creepiest thug the world has ever known.

The more I read about him and his family, the more disgusted I become with them. Once, in the naive days of my youth, I believed Poppy Bush to be an inept, though relatively benign President (that is, compared to his spawn). Obviously, I can only now see that image of "benigness" for what it was -- a ruse. As Shakespeare wrote in Hamlet, one may smile and smile, and be a villian. Those very words could be the mantra of the Bush family.

George Herbert Walker Bush, his spawn, and their heritage, are simply bad news, period. It seems that even Ronald Reagan, the oft-revered idol of post-modern era GOP conservatives, was extremely wary of Bush, but was forced by party leadership to take him on as the VP candidate. Of course, had the attempt on Reagan's life been successful, George H.W. Bush would have become president nearly a full 8 years earlier than what he eventually did. It appears that even Ronald Reagan knew a snake in the grass when he saw one.

[Cooley Hurd]

21. It's pretty well-known that Nancy Reagan HATES the Bush family

[daleo]

23. Let's hope he is only attends one JFK assassination, per lifetime

I don't put anything past these creatures.

[Octafish]

26. That's why it's important to spread the word, daleo!

They are creatures, indeed: Monsters.

Only by spreading the Truth now do we have a chance of winning at the ballot box in November. DUers play a vital, and will play an even larger role in getting the word out. The ground seems to be quaking, we're getting close to sinking Bush viz the electorate. Let's keep going and shut down their criminal enterprise once and for all and put their sorry arses in the slammer, where they belong.

[4morewars]

25. You can learn more here...

http://www.bushbodycount.com/

[Octafish]

29. Oh yeah. The good folks there sometimes visit here.

And they'll start talking to me again if they ever forgive me for riding roughshod with their horse. But, yeah, that's one outstanding web site. Here's some work of interest, by the late Mr. Mark Lombardi:






http://www.globalcomplexity.org/Death%20by%20Association.htm

http://www.wburg.com/0202/arts/lombardi.html

http://www.steamshovelpress.com/altmedia18.html

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0320/saltz.php

[Jose Diablo]

32. "Mark Lombardi's Global Networks"

is facinating. I have obtained the above book by Independent Curators International and the associated Drawing Papers 40 shown above.

A truly superb 'artform'. Quite beautiful to view. The implications of the drawings show a vast interconnected network of criminal dealings. Yet no single 'mastermind'.

It is more like a single organization beginning in the 30's or maybe even much earlier, that branches out to form a loose organization that has a common agenda, yet no single mastermind today. Sure enough there are power centers, but no single 'head'. Like it is said elseware, a Hydra. Cutoff one head, another appears to replace and take over to enterprise at that part.

I have not fully digested the book, but I am firmly convinced all these things are connected, and Poppy is at ground zero of JFK.

It would be interesting to contemplate the idea that behind all of this stands a single 'manipulator'. One that is forever in the background and never in view.

[seemslikeadream]

36. Diagramming KevinPhillips book on the Bush dynasty

There's a nice diagram here. The West Indies Sugar connection was new to me.

http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/2004_01_11_uggabugga_archive.html#107412832339714798

[Old and In the Way]

27. Actually Octafish, there was a thread a few months ago

that someone posted a picture of an FBI affidavit from GHWB where he clearly said he was intransit to Dallas from somewhere...maybe Abilene?

I found that interesting because if George claims he doesn't remember where he was that day, he should have remembered what he told the FBI.

I just switched computers, so I don't have the thread link in my IE favorites file...but I'll try to locate it and post it here.



Whoops, I just realized I don't have search privilages....hmmmm, I know I changed my cc#, but I would have thought I'd have contributed enough $ to keep my star/search privilages for awhile, anyway...

[Octafish]

28. Hey, not-so Old and In the Way! Could one of these be it?

Source:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm


Then there's this one, dated a few days later:




Source:

http://www.guerrillacampaign.com/bush.htm

[Old and In the Way]

50. That's it!

So these documents lead me to question:

(1) He clearly states he was traveling to Dallas from Tyler on 11/22...why wouldn't he remember what he told the FBI on that day?

(2) Was this memorandum his cover story?

(3) How far is Tyler from Dallas?

Also, this tidbit about Barbara and Dimson.....I wonder why they didn't make this a family outing? I'd seriously be interested in what business GHWB was conducting in Tyler that day.

[anarchy1999]

31. How can anyone believe that a person of age doesn't remember

where they were that day. I was 6 years old, for heavens sake, and I remember the moment vividly to this day. How can any of us let Bush Senior off the hook and let him say "I don't remember where I was".

Impossible. It was as much a defining moment in history as was 9/11.

I think maybe more so. But that takes lots of tinfoil.

[emad]

30. Good to see the JFK topic kicked alive again Octafish!

There's some very interesting stuff coming from expat Dems in the UK next week who do not share the vested interests of Senator Ted Kennedy or of (Caroline)Lee (Bouvier Canfield) Radziwill, Jackie's sister.

Suffice to say that the Zapruder footage has served its purpose and people are a lot more willing to talk now that Shrub is facing re-election....

[Octafish]

42. Thanks, emad aisat sana! The Kennedy's are the good guys.

The American elite that supported FDR and the New Deal have proven to be a big threat to the old-time money that goes to the colonial days. FDR and the Kennedys of Ted's generation have done all they can to make this a better world, which means asking hte irch to bear a burden -- one that costs them only mere gold. OTOH, the Bushes have done all they can to support the monied class, robbing the poor and middle class of their wealth and children; that also goes a long way to explaining why the Bush-Big Oil-Wall Street-CIA-NAZI-KKK-Mafia axis of evil types have thought it a good idea to stay in touch with the supporters of King George II, whose who were ready to side with the NAZIs during World War II and enabled the resurgence of the Fourth Reich on 22 November 1963.

[dbt]

38. Watching a History Channel piece on JFK late last year,

I became intrigued by a report from Oswald's "mistress" (IIRC) that Oswald was supposed to deliver something to a contact in Mexico City. However, the contact did not show for the meeting.

Name of the contact? Mr. B.

Hmmmmmmmm.

:freak:
dbt

[Octafish]

43. That special caused my jaw to drop.

I'd always believed the Oswald trip to Mexico City was a phony story. So, if true, it stands as clear proof Oswald was set up by Uncle Sam because he was working for FBI stooge Guy Bannister and the CIA anti-Castro team's biowarfare nutjobs through superpilot David Ferrie.

Excuse me for now -- got to run -- but will post major bit on BFEE angle later today...

[Octafish]

51. Does anyone recognized this tough guy?

He doesn't look like Oswald, but the CIA said he was Oswald and blamed him for causing a "scene" at the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City.

So, we've got Oswald in MC on company "business" (according to the Mistress and Uncle Sam) at the same time someone is causing a "scene" in his name. OK.

Why would someone do that? And why would the CIA falsely report it WAS Oswald to the Warren Commission?

Dunno, exactly. But I DO know that this is EVIDENCE of CIA a priori involvement in the assassination.



BTW: From the DU archives:

"Lee Harvey Oswald had a MISTRESS!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=736444

[seemslikeadream]

41. Ricky Lee Jones says it best and says it all!

"A LOW CLASS HUMAN BEING": "You're an ignorant, low-class, opportunistic man, both personally and politically, who does everything for political gain and nothing for the wellbeing of the people, and you should not be in office, and the kind of fascism you're perpetrating on our country we don't want, and you're out. We're done with you." So says an angry Ricky Lee Jones, who on her new CD, The Evening of My Best Day, "is singing about the ugly man with the ugly father who is blighting her nation, the two senators killed in mystery plane crashes, and the need for Americans to tell the world what is happening in the US'"...

http://homepage.mac.com/steverapport/iblog/C549401732/E1974626583/

and from the Guardian

She believes the bombing of the Twin Towers has politicised a politically apathetic generation in an alarming way. "I think 9/11 gave this generation an identity, and its identity is potentially fascist. My skin crawls when I think of the first week after 9/11. I was looking out of the window and there were people marching down the street carrying flags. It reminded me of spontaneous, angry Nazis and I thought, 'Oh, man, we are in a lot of trouble'. There's a whole bunch of people who have flags hanging from their cars and who are mistaking fascism for patriotism."

This generation of Americans, she says, has not had to struggle for anything, and the only thing it has fought for is the right to reverse hard-won freedoms - free speech, fair trials, abortion rights. She talks of how language and values have been subverted.

"Now they're using the term 'leftwing' to evoke in people fear and loathing," she says. "And they have no idea what the far left looks like. Actually, the far left is almost the same as the far right. But they accuse just moderate people who disagree. And it is 'accuse'. There's no discussion going on."

Then there's the strange notion of bombing countries into a sense of responsibility. "Look at Afghanistan and Iraq. Pound the shit out of them, then bring them democracy because it's for their own good, right?" It's the hypocrisy she finds hardest to cope with. "I would have probably made peace with the idea of this rightwing Republican presidency if at any point after we were bombed - because we were devastated, we were terrified and broken-hearted - if he had said, 'I'm so pissed off, I'm gonna go and blow up the whole fucking Middle East. I hate 'em and I'm blowing 'em up', we would have gone, 'OK, right on', but he didn't. He said, 'We're looking for Bin Laden and we're bringing democracy'. Every single aspect of his response has been evil, thus making us into the evil thing we didn't know we were. Ffffhgggmm." (I'm sure she wouldn't have said 'right on' and made peace with Bush, but I know what she means.)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1065419,00.html

[Octafish]

52. She nailed it and the smirking pinhead, too.

Gee. Why isn't the American press telling us this?

[9215]

45. and Bush also was friends with Marina Oswald's

interpreter Ily Mamantov.

This is from "The Man Who knew too Much".

Five hours after the assassination, Ily Mamantov, who had never seen Oswald, received a phone call from Jack Crichton asking him to serve as interpreter for the interrogation of Marina. Crichton was in 1963 the president of Nafco Oil & Gas, Inc., and a former head of Military Intelligence. According to information uncovered by the Garrison investigations, Crichton had been among a small group of Army Intelligence officials who met with H.L. Hunt soon after the assassination.


.....George de Mohrenschildt, in his Warren Commission testimony, would describe Mamantov as the one "excessive rightist" of the Dallas's Russian e'migre' community.
Interestingly Mrs. Igor Voshinin told me in 1992 that Mamantov "knew George Bush very well". Bush was president of Zapata Oil in Houston in 1963. "Mamantov died recently," said Voshinin, "but he told me that he had received a very charming letter from President Bush. I remember one line: 'You and I did it'." (She could not recall the context.) pp680

.....After the Watergate break-in where several ex -CIA men and Cuban exiles were caught in 1972, Richard Nixon expressed worry on the White House tape-recording system that this might open up "the whole Bay of Pigs thing." Nixon's chief of staff, H. R. Haldeman later wrote of his belief that the president was really talking about the Kennedy assassination.

George Bush, a Texas oilman in 1963, is also found on the periphery of the assassination. As noted earlier in this book, his name appeared in George de Mohrenschildt's personal notebook and
bush was a friend of Marina Oswald's translator, Ilya Mamantov. When George Bush became CIA director (1976-78), Nagell is on record as having written to him about Robert Morrow's book "Betrayal"

The White House has denied that the president was the "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" identified in a Novermber 1963, FBI memorandum as having been briefed by the FBI on the reacton of Miami's Cuban exiles. But there is no denying the existence of another recently released FBI memo, which begins:

"On Novermber 22, 1963, Mr. George H.W. Bush, 5525 Briar, Houston, Texas, telephonically advised that he wanted to relate some hearsay that he had heard in recent week, date and source unknown. He advised that on James Parrott had been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston."

An FBI investigation into Bush's charge failed to turn up any connection whatsoever tying James Parrott to the assassination. Parrott was then an active member of Houston's Young Republicans, who had been involved in picketing members of the Kennedy administration. Bush was then serving as campaign manager for future Republican senator John Tower. Since Parrott's group had come out strongly against a then nascent alliance between Texas Republicans and representatives of the petroleum industry, Bush and Parrott were political enemies..... (pp. 709-10)


Coincidently John Tower died in a plane crash in the late 80's, after breaking the faith with Raygun on the Iran-Contra scandal. Was he another "man who knew too much"?

[Octafish]

58. Bush may not have been the trigger fellah...

... but he's sure as shootin' the beneficiary. From "TruthSeeker"

Fri May 30 18:48:52 2003

Tying George H. W. Bush to JFK’s assassination:

EXCERPT...

I). Rodney Stich's book "Defrauding America" tells of a "deep-cover CIA officer" assigned to a counter-intelligence unit, code-named Pegasus. This unit "had tape-recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy" from a tap on the phone of J. Edgar Hoover. The people on the tapes were " Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, Johnson of Texas, George Bush and J. Edgar Hoover."

SNIP

IV). From the Realist (Summer, 1991): "Bush was working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion.... A newly discovered FBI document reveals that George Bush was directly involved in the 1963 murder of President John Kennedy. The document places marksmen by the CIA. Bush at that time lived in Texas. Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion....

"George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed Director by former Warren Commission director and then president Jerry Ford in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member. The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working with Felix Rodriguez. Bush may deny his actual role in the CIA in 1959, but there are records in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that expose Bush's role..."

On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the 'smoking gun' conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, were discussing how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their connection to 'the Bay of Pigs thing.' Haldeman, in his book "The Ends of Power", reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as 'the Bay of Pigs'.

CONTINUED...

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/5-30-03/discussion.cgi.12.html

[chookie]

46. De Mohrenschildt was a petroleum geologist

And where was he working in 1963? Haiti!

"De Mohrenschildt testified before the Warren Commission that he first visited Haiti in 1956 when he was working for the Sinclair Oil Co. At that time he did a geological prospect for oil drilling in the northern part of Haiti.(97) The project was abandoned because of the expropriations of companies which were going on in the Caribbean area.(98) When de Mohrenschildt returned to Haiti in 1961 after his South American walking trip, he continued working on plans for a possible geological project in Haiti.(99) During 1962 de Mohrenschildt continued to negotiate and promote the business venture and in that year he formed the Haitian Holding Co. an listed as the principals of the company himself, B. Juindine Tardieu, a financier living in Haiti with real estate holdings who served as an adviser to the Banque Commerciale d'Haiti in Port-au-Prince, and Clemard Joseph Charles, president of the Banque Commerciale d'Haiti.(100) The objectives of the company, as outlined by de Mohrenschildt, were the development of industries and enterprises in Haiti, using Haitian and American capital, and some economic assistance from the governments of the two countries.(101)
47. De Mohrenschildt testified that his work in the Haitian enterprise was to include conducting a geological survey of Haiti to plot out oil and geological resources on he island.
-snip-
49. De Mohrenschildt stated to the Warren Commission that the undertaking in Haiti was a purely commercial and geological interest, with no other "purpose or intent."

50. De Mohrenschildt testified to the Warren Commission that he left Dallas in May 1963 and traveled to New York, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C., before arriving in Haiti in June.(109) He stated that in Washington, D.C., he was "preparing for the eventuality of this project, checking with the people, bureau of Mines, and so forth.(110) He gave no further details, and was not asked for any by the Warren Commission, about his activites in those cities or his contacts
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscademo.htm#V

He also told the Warren Commission that his contract with Haiti was going to be cancelled, because the FBI sent a letter to Papa Doc, outlining his close association with Oswald.

The same names and places keep coming up again and again. "The Bay of Pigs Thing." Dynasty.

[Octafish]

61. Hey, chookie! Let's start a citizen's Grand Jury and indict Poppy...

... and get his testimony on the record: What is your connection to George De Mohrenschildt? What is your connection to the US intelligence agencies? What is your connection to the JFK assassination? Then again, Bush would lie, just as Richard Helms said he is trained to do. Still, it'd be a grand way to start dumping the BFEE.

While it's nearly impossible to navigate, tere's a veritable treasure trove of Bush-de Mohrenschildt material, courtesy of Bruce Campbell Adamson:

http://www.ciajfk.com/

[9215]

65. De Mohren was "suicided" shortly before

he was to testify before the House Assasinations committee in the mid 70's.

He got Oswald the job at the U2 Photo lab. The one that got the pictures of the Cuban Missile silos.

Was Oswald another "Man who knew too much"?

You might want to check this out I just heard it and didn't record it. Gary Powers, the U2 pilot who was shot down over Russia "hated" Oswald.

[seabeyond]

67. how many

have now ended with suicide or plane crash. i mean geez.......

i have three with bullet to head assuming that is how this guy did it

[KoKo]

48. Yes, I heard Bechloss say that. And, thought it very odd he would bring

it up. I remember it so well, because I ran and posted about it on DU.
:D.

I think Kevin Phillips was alluding to the same thing when he was asked a question on his book tour which was shown on C-Span. He brought up the question about where Poppy was the day of JFK assassination.

Something is known out there about all this but it's just little drips, because of the powerful forces keeping whatever it is under the lid all these years.

[Stephanie]

62. Is there any transcript of this? Do we have any other testimony on this?

You mean George Bush Jr. was WATCHING the motorcade that day? And we know NOTHING of this? Don't you think a peculiarity like that would be explored in detail? How many times did we see the film of a high school age Clinton meeting JFK?

I would REALLY like to see some more evidence on this. VERY fascinating!

[seemslikeadream]

64. Stephanie read post 12

:hi:

post 33 in the link

[Stephanie]

66. to learn a detail like that - I feel sick

You heard Beschloss say this on Imus? I wonder if he wrote about it, or if Babs did? I'd really like to see it in print. These people are SICK.

Thanks seemslikeadream!

[goclark]

49. Walks Like A Duck

This has all the looks of the Duck. There is far too much information that ties pappy to every known political crime in the last and current century.
We are going after the wrong enemy. Pappy is the real crook. Jr. is too stupid to be crafty.

I can not imagine Barbara Bush taking little George to see Kennedy in Dallas. Do you think that she was a Look Out for Pappy while he was running around the grassy knoll?

These Bushies are far more dangerous than I ever remembered.




:evilfrown:

[UTUSN]

68. Kick n/t

[Octafish]

69. Baby Doc Bush

Let me at 'em, see!

[Karenina]

71. Poppy doesn't remember.

:eyes:

[Spider Jerusalem]

73. more...

Memorandum:

"Date: November 29, 1963

"To: Director of Intelligence and Research Department of State

"From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

"Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY, NOVEMBER 22, 1963

"Our Miami, Florida Office on November 23, 1963 advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U.S. policy, which is not true.

"Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U.S. but to all Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

"An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that those individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

"The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W.T. Forsyth of this Bureau."

This FBI document identifying George Bush as a CIA agent in November 1963 was first published by Joseph McBride in "The Nation" in July 1988, just before Bush received the Republican nomination for President. McBride's source observed: "I know was involved in the Caribbean. I know he was involved in the suppression of things after the Kennedy assassination. There was a very definite worry that some Cuban groups were going to move against Castro and attempt to blame it on the CIA." When pressed for confirmation or denial, Bush's spokesman Stephen Hart commented: "Must be another George Bush."

Within a short time, the CIA itself would peddle the same damage control line. On July 19, 1988, in the wake of wide public attention to the report published in "The Nation," CIA spokeswoman Sharron Basso departed from the normal CIA policy of refusing to confirm or deny reports that any person is or was a CIA employee. CIA spokeswoman Basso told the Associated Press that the CIA believed that "the record should be clarified." She said that the FBI document "apparently" referred to a George William Bush who had worked in 1963 on the night shift at CIA headquarters, and that "would have been the appropriate place to have received such an FBI report." According to her account, the George William Bush in question had left the CIA to join the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1964.

For the CIA to volunteer the name of one of its former employees to the press was a shocking violation of traditional methods, which are supposedly designed to keep such names a closely guarded secret. This revelation may have constituted a violation of federal law. But no exertions were too great when it came to damage control for George Bush.

George William Bush had indeed worked for the CIA, the DIA, and the Alexandria, Virginia Department of Public Welfare before joining the Social Security Administration, in whose Arlington, Virginia office he was employed as a claims representative in 1988. George William Bush told "The Nation" that while at the CIA he was "just a lowly researcher and analyst" who worked with documents and photos and never received interagency briefings. He had never met Forsyth of the FBI or Captain Edwards of the DIA. "So it wasn't me," said George William Bush.

Later, George William Bush formalized his denial in a sworn statement to a federal court in Washington, D.C. The affidavit acknowledges that while working at CIA headquarters between September 1963 and February 1964, George William Bush was the junior person on a three- to four-man watch which was on duty when Kennedy was shot. But, as George William Bush goes on to say, "have carefully reviewed the FBI memorandum to the Director, Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Department of State dated November 29, 1963 which mentions a Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency.... I do not recognize the contents of the memorandum as information furnished to me orally or otherwise during the time I was at the CIA. In fact, during my time at the CIA, I did not receive any oral communications from any government agency of any nature whatsoever. I did not receive any information relating to the Kennedy assassination during my time at the
CIA from the FBI.

"Based on the above, it is my conclusion that I am not the Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency referred to in the memorandum."

(Found via Google newsgroup archive search; no copyright given in original.)

[9215]

78. That's a keeper.

More corroboration of "a" George Bush's involvement.