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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:27 PM
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Forget the South, Democrats
Forget the South, Democrats
Stop coddling the spoiled brat of presidential politics.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Tuesday, Jan. 27, 2004, at 5:55 PM PT


"There goes the South for a generation," Lyndon Johnson is said to have predicted as he signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law. Actually, it's been two generations, but otherwise Johnson was dead-on. For 40 years, the Democratic Party begged Southern Democrats to return to the fold. Always undignified, this pleading eventually become futile as well, like Shirley Booth calling for her dead puppy in Come Back, Little Sheba. Now John Kerry, at this writing the likely winner of the New Hampshire primary, is taking some heat for saying so. But it's about time somebody did.

"Everybody always makes the mistake of looking south," the Massachusetts Democrat said in a Jan. 24 appearance at Dartmouth. And so they have. For two decades, it's been axiomatic that Democratic presidential candidates couldn't win unless they were Southerners. It worked once for Jimmy Carter and twice for Bill Clinton; Walter Mondale and Mike Dukakis' defeats reinforced the logic. But it didn't work in 2000 for Al Gore—or rather, it didn't work well enough to counterbalance the Supreme Court's decision to hand over Florida's electors to George W. Bush. Gore lost every Southern state, including his home state of Tennessee. Thus Lesson 1: Southern voters won't vote for you just because you're a Good Ole Boy. But Gore still came within four electoral votes of winning. If he'd taken Florida, which in many ways is not really a Southern state, he'd be president. (Some people still argue that he did.) Thus Lesson 2: Democrats don't really need those Southern votes.

Since 2000, many Democrats have questioned quietly why they should expend so much effort trying to win votes in what is now a solidly Republican region. The Democrats' ceaseless courtship of Southern votes has fostered an unhealthy sense of entitlement. Southerners now consider it their God-given right to supply Democrats with presidential candidates or, failing that, to force non-Southern candidates to discuss Him using an alien evangelical vocabulary. (God doesn't hear the prayers of Episcopalians, Congregationalists, or Presbyterians. No use even discussing Unitarians, Jews, and atheists.) Overindulgence has also encouraged the South to become grotesquely hypersensitive about what non-Southern liberals say about it; to quote a famous witticism about the writer John O'Hara, today's South is "master of the fancied slight." Thus when Vermonter Howard Dean made the perfectly innocent remark that he'd like to win votes from "guys with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks"—a comment, incidentally, that indicated he did not intend to write off the South—he had to fall all over himself apologizing to Southerners offended by the shorthand. Never mind that subgroups in other parts of the country are routinely referred to in political discourse as "Joe Six-pack," "wealthy Jews," "blue-collar Midwesterners," "metrosexuals," inhabitants of "McMansions," "buppies," the "underclass," and so on without causing noticeable offense.


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The taboo extends to discussing whether the South has enough votes to justify solicitude by Democrats. Kerry's remarks prompted Dick Harpootlian, former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, to tell ABC's Jake Tapper, "I'm shocked he would be talking about a strategy of avoiding the South." Tapper also quoted Kerry rival John Edwards, political scientist Merle Black, and Sen. Zell Miller, D-Ga., emphasizing the importance of the South to the Democrats. But they're all Southerners; of course they think Democrats shouldn't write off their region. (Miller, who's starting to sound like a right-fringe crackpot, has the gall to tell Democrats what to do even though he's already endorsed President Bush.) Pressed by Mary Lynn F. Jones of the American Prospect, Black's brother and fellow political scientist Earl Black conceded that the Democrats' loss of the South didn't have to deprive them of the presidency. Republicans don't pretend they're trying to win approval from voters in the Northeast; why must Democrats keep mum about their diminishing returns in the South?

In a very persuasive recent essay for the Washington Post's "Outlook" section, Thomas Schaller, a political scientist at the University of Maryland, argues,

Trying to recapture the South is a futile, counterproductive exercise for Democrats because the South is no longer the swing region. It has swung: Richard Nixon's "Southern strategy" of 1968 has reached full fruition.

The centrist Democratic Leadership Council counters that writing off the South is a "bad idea." Democrats, it says, need

a national ticket that's determined to advance a tough, positive message on national security; that convinces middle-class voters that Democrats have a vision and a plan for restoring the broad-based economic and social progress, along with the fiscal responsibility, of the Clinton years; and that addresses the cultural concerns about Democrats that conservatives have spent so much time and money instilling and exploiting.

This is another way of saying that the Democratic Party needs swing voters. That's true; Clinton's "New Democrat" strategy of chasing swing voters remains a wise one. But Schaller punctures the myth that the South is a good place to seek them:

he South has the fewest independent-minded voters available for Democratic conversion. Protest candidates John McCain, Ralph Nader and Perot all bombed there. Of the 10 states where Perot fared worst in 1992, all were Southern. … The South is where insurgents and independents go to die.

What about African-Americans, a key Democratic constituency? Even after the Great Migration northward, the South continues to harbor a majority of the nation's blacks. Unfortunately for Democrats, though, they're outnumbered by a white majority that prefers Republicans. Ironically, Schaller notes, this problem is compounded by the Voting Rights Act because the creation of overwhelmingly black congressional districts gives less-politically committed black voters little incentive to maintain the habit of going to the polls. (It would be different if black incumbents faced a serious risk of being unseated by white challengers.) "Low turnout may not threaten the election of black legislators," Schaller observes, "but it severely damages the chances of Democrats running for statewide offices and for president." Democrats do much better seeking black votes in places like Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania, where they can be combined with the votes of white and Hispanic Democrats.

Rather than seek votes in the South, Schaller suggests that Democrats place greater emphasis on the Southwest, where there's a large Latino community and growing numbers of Democrat-friendly "ideopolises" (as John Judis and Ruy Teixeira have dubbed high-tech yuppie colonies proliferating throughout the country). They'd have to carry the Midwest, too, including unreliably Democratic Ohio. As the DLC points out, this doesn't leave a large margin of error. But shouldn't Democrats seek votes where they're likeliest to find them?

Teixeira, oddly, told the Philadelphia Inquirer last November that while it's tempting to write off the South—"It's common sense, you go hunt where the ducks are"—Democrats should resist "wholesale abandonment" because it's … impolite:

It would imply that we see all Southerners as a culturally alien mass that we don't know how to talk to. And that would further skew our image, identifying us even more with upscale social liberalism—which is a tendency that we already have.

But abandoning the South doesn't have to mean abandoning the working class; indeed, Democrats can't hope to win the White House unless they win working-class votes elsewhere. Teixeira surely knows this.

Chatterbox won't deny that there's a long cultural history of Northerners snubbing Southerners, going back to 1917, when H.L. Mencken dubbed the South "The Sahara of the Bozart." (In addition to being snotty, Mencken was wrong; at the time, the South was germinating the musical forms—jazz, the blues, and what would become rock 'n' roll—that now dominate American music. It was also getting ready to disgorge a literary renaissance that would include the work of Thomas Wolfe, Alan Tate, Robert Penn Warren, Flannery O'Connor, and Eudora Welty.)

But there's an even longer political history of Southerners whining and wheedling their way into disproportionate and undeserved power. For all its resistance to Big Government, the South is arguably the most socialistic region in the country; nearly half of all U.S. military personnel are stationed there, and the region was only lightly affected by the post-Cold War base closings of the 1980s and 1990s. This is the legacy of the Southern congressional barons on Capitol Hill, who blocked civil rights legislation from Reconstruction until 1957. Before that, Southerners successfully turned defeat in the Civil War into an occasion to erect Jim Crow laws. Before that, the South treasonously separated itself from the Union. Before that, the South successfully battled all attempts to end the practice of slavery, which the Founding Fathers well understood was incompatible with the principles of the American Revolution. In this, Gary Wills points out in his new book, Negro President: Jefferson and the Slave Power, the South was greatly assisted by the Constitution's provision that each slave be counted as three-fifths of a person in the census. That boosted the South's representation in the House of Representatives and the Electoral College, in effect allowing Southerners to make the owning of (disenfranchised) slaves the very basis for maintaining the necessary political clout to perpetuate slavery. If only "real" votes had been counted, Wills argues, John Adams would have defeated Thomas Jefferson in the election of 1800. In addition,

slavery would have been excluded from Missouri; Andrew Jackson's policy of removing Indians from territories they occupied in several states would have failed; the 1840 gag rule, protecting slavery in the District of Columbia, would not have been imposed; the Wilmot Proviso would have banned slavery from territories won from Mexico. Moreover, the Kansas and Nebraska bill outlawing slavery in Nebraska territory and allowing it in Kansas would have failed.

Of course, without the three-fifths rule, there wouldn't have been a Constitution of the United States—not one that governed the American South, at any rate—because the South wouldn't have ratified it. But that only underscores further the perils of paying the South too much attention. For Democrats, the South has become the Sahara of the Electoral College. Give it up.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:31 PM
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1. "spoiled brat of presidential politics"
I hate to agree because it will just get me into trouble.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:36 PM
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2. good post,... Boy are you gonna get flamed
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:39 PM
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3. Gore wouldn't have even needed Florida to win-
had he taken nevada or new hampshire or ohio.

the census has changed the electoral map a bit, and the same combinations wouldn't pay off as well in 2004 for the Democrats as they could have in 2000,

BUT- we can definitely WIN without the traditional "south".
I say fuck'em.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:50 PM
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9. This post should be deleted and the poster should be banned
I find that highly offensive.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:05 PM
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19. Yep..I live in the south and what he says rings very true...
The south is just full of dumb-ass repugs....and no amount of logic or appealing to their good side is going to stop the stupid fuckers from voting for the right wing trash....Piss on um..
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ChemEng Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:39 PM
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4. Sure, why not. Give it a shot and let's see what happens.....
There is no doubt that concentrating resources and message in more friendly regions will pay greater rewards. If it works, it may help set a new standard for politics. Of course, it might just help set one region against another. But what the hell, all that matters is that we win, right?
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:44 PM
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5. We cannot afford the south.
The cost of pandering to racist and backwards people is way too high and a big part of why we are in this situation. It;s the south that needs fixing not liberals.
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ChemEng Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:50 PM
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8. A little broad brushing going on there, don't you think?
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 10:52 PM by Feminist_man
Racism isn't limited to one region. Otherwise, the good people of Boston wouldn't have had a few riots over school busing, and Watts wouldn't have burned down in the 60s. And I do believe there are backwards people everywhere. Even in Oklahoma.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:53 PM
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11. Has anyone considered the possibility that elitism of this sort
is a reason why this region is increasingly trending Republican?

Or is it easier to live in a world of black and white, good and evil- a conceptual framework so simple that George W. Bush would understand it?
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:06 PM
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20. Are you bashing the south
for having unilaterally abandoned my Democratic party?
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:48 PM
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6. We will NOT ignore the South, because we are very competitive
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 10:49 PM by TruthIsAll
in at least five southern states:

Florida - we won it last time... easily, by 200,000 w/o Nader and disenfranchised blacks, double/triple-punched Gore votes, illegal absentees, butterfly ballots, etc.
Tennessee - also stolen by Bush
Arkansas -
North Carolina - we can win, especially if Edwards is VP
Louisiana -

If we win just two of these states, we win the election. We can win all five.

Why should we give up on a region rich in core constituencies: blacks, unions workers..and our newcomers - military, veterans..


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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:49 PM
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7. It is possible to win the GE without the South, but it won't happen
Edited on Tue Jan-27-04 11:00 PM by atre
Gore had some narrow victories in other states which have been trending Republican ever since. It seems like little more than wishful thinking to assume that we'll retain all of those Electoral votes (which would have been barely enough for a victory had the Supreme Court not intervened).

Another thing to consider: the Presidency isn't the end-all, be-all. We have some Democrats running down here for Congress or for state or local political positions, and we'd like to have a Presidential candidate to bolster turnout. No one will be riding Kerry's coattails down here.

Looks like it's trending your way. Kerry will win the Democratic nomination, then lose the General Election (while I probably stay home- I won't be driving an hour from law school to my polling booth back home for a candidate who personally derides me and my neighbors). As it stands now, Kerry and Lieberman are the only two who'll never see my strong support. Anyone else, I'd happily vote for (and perhaps volunteer for).

When Bush throws his second inaugural, you can only blame yourselves and your South-bashing. You can also blame Kerry for contributing to the same.

As a Southerner, I do not demand that our nominee be from this region. But I do demand that the nominee respect this region and its inhabitants. Things like Kerry's comment and this thread (and the idiotic lawyer-bashing in other threads) make me want to stay home come Nov. 2nd.

The South is not the South of the Confederacy or the South of the Nixon Era. There are some overt racists here, but the South also houses the largest African American population and one of the strongest Hispanic populations. Combine that with well-informed working class Americans, and there is a potential for a strong political coalition in the Southern states. If the Democratic Party neglects this, you can wave goodbye to the country as the second Bush Administration bleeds us dry.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:00 PM
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14. so, you'll stay home and not vote and let Bush win
but that's the fault of people who do not like the "ideals" the south continues to uphold??

Give me a break about how progressive the south is.

They receive so much funding and yet gripe about taxes?

The democratics can be so proud of the politicians from the south, like Zell Miller, huh?

Is that your idea of a democrat?

The south has been on the wrong side of EVERY significant social issue since the civil war, and they continue to lead the way in opposing things like teaching actual science (as opposed to Biblical literalism) in America's schools, and the Texas textbook assholes make sure that kids in this country are a laughing stock of the rest of western civilization.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:52 PM
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10. YES!
This is what needs to happen to restore democracy in America.

I've said it many times before, but I am from the south, and as far as I'm concerned, that bastion of stupidity and racism and regression can go fornicate itself because it pulls the rest of the country down to its level of idiocy.

Until the dems defang the south, by refusing to pander to the talibornagains, we will continue to lose as a nation...lose our prestige, our progressive ideals, our reason for being as a nation.

The Republicans (the true republicans) of the post civil war era were too easy on the south. It should have been treated as an occupied country, and all the assets of the slave owning class should have been confiscated and ALL of the sucessionists should have been imprisoned until death and booted out of Congress.

Andrew Johnson screwed this country big time by the way he handled reconstruction.


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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:54 PM
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12. Neglecting the South means neglecting blacks
nm
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:02 PM
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16. It also means neglecting whites and hispanics
I'm pretty sure they're down south too. What was your point again?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:03 PM
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17. If you care so much, work a polling booth
to oppose all the poll challenger mouth-breathers.

Drive people to the voting booths.

Work on voter registration for blacks.

Make an effort to bring the south into the twentieth century before this one gets too far along.
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:57 PM
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13. Our candidate will be going up against
a guy who has $200 million to spend on his campaign. That means we will have to spend our time and money wisely in the election. The South would be a waste of both. If this election weren't so important and if we had more money to spend, I'd say that we should try harder to win in the South. But we have to spend our resources in the places where there is the best hope of getting a return on our investment.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:00 PM
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15. We don't need one single southern state to win the election
Even without Florida, Gore could have won it with Missouri, or West Virginia. Our next nominee will even have a shot at Ohio, in addition to those other states. We really don't need any southern states.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 11:04 PM
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18. Yeah, let's give up
Let's not reach out to the poor down there, the blacks, the growing Hispanic community, et cetera.

No, we may not win a lot of southern states, but we can start chaning minds down there. I know that's just way too much for the elitists in the party, but preaching to the choir will only galvanize people against us.
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