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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:10 AM
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AWOL discussion with a puke
Okay, I date republicans, sometimes even crazy right wingers!
I was on a date last night when the discussion turned to Bush and his military service.

Here is how it went down
Her: Bush is a war hero.
Me: His dad was, W. was not.
Her: Not true!
Me: If each soldier in today's army was as dedicated to their duty as George H.W. Bush (the 41st President), wouldn't our Army be stronger?
Her: Yes!
Me: If each soldier in today's army was as "dedicated" to their duty as W., would our army be stronger or weaker?
Her: It would be just as strong.
Me: Should today's soldier be allowed to leave at will, prior to completion of their term of service?
Her: No.
Me: Poppy Bush, Gore, and Kerry all were elitist. They chose to serve, even though privilege did not require it. They are Patriots.
Her: Dean dodged the war, too!
Me: Yes, Both W. and Dean avoided Nam.
Her: That doesn't make them bad, or AWOL. They were legal.
Me: Sure, they just got out of serving in battle. But Bush claims to be a war hero. That is how this conversation started.

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:14 AM
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1. First off... Why the hell you dating a repuke
yuk
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:27 AM
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6. After all the best way to
Win our country back is to have nothing to do with Republicans. We should shun them as much as possible, and make them feel uncomfortable when we do have to talk to them. IN that way they'll realize the error of their ways and return to the light side of the force.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:44 AM
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12. well
I've tended to date mostly liberal Democratic type women through the years, but that is more based on personality (I'm generally easy going and laid back, while the women I dated pre-marriage were very outgoing, energetic, independent types) ... but, I see nothing wrong with dating whomever you want. In an intimate setting, you can maybe show your partner the error of his or her ways over time.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:10 AM
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24. Not a good tactic IMO
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 11:17 AM by alwynsw
How does one educate those to whom he will not speak?

If preaching alone worked, we'd all be in church every Sunday. If teaching by example alone worked, we'd all be like Mother Theresa (or insert your favorite good person here).

If we don't get face-to-face and educate in a meaningful way, we'll never win converts. We sure as hell can't breed a majority.

on edit: When the lights go out, political differences are of n consequence. The only matter is, "Who bathed". Moans and grunts don't come in political flavors. (OK, so it's a crude way to illustrate a point. Sue me.)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:15 AM
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26. I married a repuke!
That was 14 years ago and he is almost more left than me now. He can hardly stand to be around his freeper co-workers. Makes him ill! I guess I did an admirable job converting him, of course 8 wonderful years of peace and prosperity under Pres. Clinton sure helped. :)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:19 AM
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30. Sounds like your still anchored on the left as well
Correct, leftchick? Glad to see that he saw the light and that you weren't drawn into the darkness. :)
Good stuff!
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:14 AM
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2. Save your brain
Stop dating pukes.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:15 AM
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27. Save her brain
I already vote Dem. Or progressive. Anyway, she likes Edwards.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:22 AM
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3. His dad's "war hero" status is debatable
Some accounts indicate he bailed out of his fighter-bomber prematurely. His 2-man crew were not wearing parachutes; space was tight & they were only supposed to put them on if needed. Without a pilot to hold the plane steady, they had no chance to escape.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:47 AM
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13. Just gonna write the same thing.
"Fortunate Son" by J.H. Hatfield. Read page six and see if G.W. Bush is a war hero!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:04 AM
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23. He did better than I could have
My use of "hero" was a concession to the fact that he served in combat, even though he could have dodged combat.
Both JFK and GHW Bush had spotty war records, so we allow both to be called hero's without debate.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:23 AM
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4. Check out this thread for AWOL BUsh info
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:30 AM
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8. That is a thread by a Raygun "Democrat"
I just date pukes...
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:24 AM
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5. I'm not sure it's true that "Dean dodged the draft." From what I've read
he did show up as required by the draft board but received a medical deferrment. Anybody have any better info?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:29 AM
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7. I mean in the broadest sence
Some folks might hide a back pain, or underage status, or gender, for that matter, to "join" the draft. Everyone who could have fought, but didn't, legal or other, "dodged" the draft, the same way you would dodge a bullet.

Your info on Dean is right on.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:50 AM
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14. So anybody who didn't volunteer was a draft dodger?
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 10:05 AM by yellowcanine
I think your definition is yours alone. Besides, people who "hide" physical defects or other disqualifying factors to join the military are not doing their military comrades any favors. Suppose that disqualifying factor causes a failure to perform in combat and gets some of their comrades killed or wounded? People who understand combat set the rules for who is qualified. They disqualify people for good reason, for the most part ( yeah, I know, gays and before 1948, blacks).
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:59 AM
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16. Hiding disqualifiers...
is lying on official documents; and punishible under the UCMJ.

Reminded of a story of a man drafted into the military in the early 70's... He told his draft board he was gay. They ignored him, and he ended up in the navy. He volunteered for submarines, and stayed in for over 20 years... then he was outed. They tried to discharge him without benefits, but he proved that he had not enlisted under false pretenses (he TOLD them), and since he hadn't been caught actually doing anything (he had a website where he announced it), there were no charges they could bring against him, so he was allowed to complete his tour and recieve full benefits...
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:14 AM
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25. When I posted I was thinking of the folk song
Jack O'Roe, where I girl joins the navy. I've met a couple gay Vietnam vets while volunteering for the Dean campaign. Interesting group.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:39 AM
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10. Stress fracture of a vertebrae
Which apparently was enough to cause failure of a army physical in the 60's. Some have made a big deal of the fact that he was an avid skiier at the time but so what? The fact that a person is fit enough to ski (and maybe he shouldn't have been skiing but that was his choice) doesn't mean they are fit for the rigors of basic training or combat. Furthermore he didn't make the rules about the medical requirements for military service and he engaged in no deception about his medical fitness - so if people are trying to use this to dump on Dean they clearly are grasping at straws. I am not a big Dean supporter (but I would definately support him over Lieberman or, gag, Bush) but I think attacking his draft record is just silly.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:42 AM
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11. I agree
but I know that 'no black boys got out with stress fractures, especially if they could play hoops (or ski) all day.

Dean didn't want to go to Nam. Bush wanted to go to Nam, but didn't have the balls.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:57 AM
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15. No you don't "know" that no blacks got out with stress fractures.
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 10:13 AM by yellowcanine
How could you know that? When you went for an induction physical, the military doctors didn't ask how you spent your spare time. They gave you a physical exam. They had no interest in passing somebody through who might have a chronic condition that would endanger combat readiness. Dean didn't "get out" because of the stress fracture, he was disqualified - there is a difference. He didn't get to choose one way or the other.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:57 AM
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22. fractures, especially if they could play hoops (or ski) all day.
I'm just sayin...
Dean's a patriot. He did nothing wrong. All is legit.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:49 AM
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21. Bush "wanted to go to Nam"????????
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 10:51 AM by Beaker
huh?

if he "wanted" to go to 'Nam, why did he use daddy's favours to join the National Guard???

just because he probably wanted to get a chance to "kill some gooks" or "zap some slopes", it doesn't mean that he wanted to risk his own ass to do so.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:25 AM
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31. Bush wanted America to go to Vietnam
probably...right? He did not want to go himself, of course. He wanted us to go.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:01 AM
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17. I don't get it...
Jack Kemp was to unhealthy to serve in the army, but not too unhealthy to be starting quarterback for the Buffalo Bills...

Go figure how soon you'll here a Repub bring that up...
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 09:35 AM
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9. Save your sanity
Stay away from "those" people. All they do is

All you have to do is ask why can't we see Bush's* DD-214 form?
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:02 AM
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18. Do officers get DD-214's?
Since that's discharge papers, and officers aren't discharged...
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:20 AM
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19. Yes, we do
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 10:21 AM by Lurking_Argyle
Everyone discharged from the service gets one. I finished as an O-3 after 6 years in the Navy, and I have mine.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:25 AM
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20. I do hear...
...that Repub girls tend to have a pretty wild streak.

If you know what I mean ;)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:18 AM
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28. with all due respect
do you just LIKE stupid women? This one is PATHETIC.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:29 AM
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32. bingo
she is not my favorite. nowhereville, for sure.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:18 AM
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29. whatever you do,
don't breed with one of them.

They are damaged and we need to get them out of the gene pool.

Even though pukes are amoral and therefore far more succeptible to disease and perversion, as long as you use precautions to avoid inadvertent procreaton with one, you should be fine. They are stupid in addition to being amoral, which makes it easier to seduce them.

What an ignorant woman. Did you get "lucky"?
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:37 AM
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34. But it doesn't hurt to go through the motions
Use protection. Lots of it.
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:30 AM
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33. If we can't vote the repubs. out . . .
we'll breed them out.

Or, the problem with the republican party is . . . well, it's full of republicans.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:57 AM
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35. Bzzzt! Wrong answer!
Dean went down to take his physical in anticipation of going to Nam and failed the physical. bush* had strings pulled to get his ass an impossibly quick TANG position and Lt. gig with low scores and THEN blew that off for a year!

Failed physical <> AWOL/Deserter

And if she's really a repuke, tell her to shut up and listen to you, The Man, it's not her place to question you!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:11 PM
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36. Dean and Bush are not war heros
That is how we left it.
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