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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:28 AM
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Will Code for Food
"Will Code For Food."

What on earth does that mean?

Simple, haven't you heard of "Food for Work". That oft-highlighted programme the Indian government launches to help people in times of famine and draught. This means the same thing. Only, it's in the lingo of a jobless US techie .

Yes, that sign was held up by a jobless protestor outside a Manhattan conference on outsourcing that opened Wednesday.

It is a sign of the times. Sign of how desperate the average techie in the US is -- as he finds job opportunities dwindling, as his hard-earned skills can now get him only jobs as a store clerk or a security guard.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/439125....
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:54 AM
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1. Right here

I'm one of them and it SUCKS!!!! We did what they told us we should do. We went out and got skills for the "new" economy. Then we were discarded in favor of cheap labor.

Virtually no sector of employment is immune from this trend. They are going after the nurses right now.

These assholes want to destroy the middle class and force us to grovel for crap jobs. They want to turn the US into Mexico.

Say NO to NAFTA. Say NO to WTO. Tear them up, get RID of them. They are hurting our nation. We GET NOTHING from them. Send ALL the "guest workers" HOME!!!!!!

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POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 04:08 AM
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5. I'm right there with ya
Looking at the wonderful world of data entry or maybe clerk somewhere. Sure glad I went to the trouble fo getting a computer science degree. Of course, at the time, everyone was saying that it was the "smart" profession to be in. And it was, for about 5 years...

Funny thing is. You still see the advertisements for ITT Tech, etc. on television telling you how "hot" the IT sector is. You look at the newspaper or online and you'll still see information technology as a top five fastest growing field. Are these people on crack? Anyone going to college right now in Comp Sci needs to CHANGE THEIR MAJOR. IT IS DEAD.

Problem is, what's alive? (Perferably something that doesn't get me shot at)
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:03 AM
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6. Same here...
I was an aspiring film-school graduate who finally "got serious" and learned programming in the late '80s. At least I was able to earn a decent paycheck for about fourteen years. Now? I'd probably have better luck in Hollywood...

:-(
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:26 PM
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17. Fake Ads

These are fake ads posted by companies in order to fulfill requirements for H1-B applications. Basically, a job has to stay open for a certain amount of time. So they post a job and associated ridiculously high qualifications for it.

I've seen TONS of these listings. I actually had someone do some legwork because there were a LOT of postings for the Chicago Commodities exchange on ComputerJobs.com. They found out that these were just "dummy" postings. They want to hire foreigners and treat them like shit.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:29 PM
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10. how are they going after nurses?
Are they going to import nurses or export patients?
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:48 PM
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12. nurses
I think they are importing nurses. My dad's been in the hospital several times, & each time I meet the nurses, I hear accents from other countries.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:53 PM
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15. isn't it possible the nurses moved here to go to school and chose
to be nurses?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 02:11 PM
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16. They're particularly fond of South African nurses
There was a segment on 60 Minutes (I think) about a year ago discussing this phenomenon. US HMOs and hospital chains now troll South African clinics and hospitals for their staffing needs.

They get a great deal, too. Most of the SA nurses who come to the United States have 10 or 15 years of experience, speak fluent or near-fluent English and have serious experience, particularly in supervisory roles, and also in infectious disease treatment programs - thanks to the conjoined twins of AIDS and tuberculosis, in particular.

I can't blame the nurses, since they're making more money than they did back home, but this is steadily gutting the South African health care infrastructure. Those who don't accept or can't get American employment tend to be less experienced, less well-trained and have fewer supervisory or teaching skills.

The result? A slow hemorrhaging of highly skilled health care workers from a region reeling from HIV, improved paychecks for the nurses who come to the US (though not, of course, as large as those of their American counterparts), and (fall to your knees and cross yourselves before the holy words appear on the screen), IMPROVED PROFIT MARGINS for HMOs.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:02 AM
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2. Internal IBM memo reveals
That IBM will cut thousands of high paying programmer jobs in 2006 and send them to China, India and the south east. In those countries they will pay programmers 12.50 an hour compared to US workers which get 50+ dollars an hour.

John Kerry is the only one that has brought up holding these benedict arnold corporations accountable for treading on Americans as they do. As far as I am concerned, if you don't make it here, you don't sell it here.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/employment/0,39020648,...
Morgan Stanley estimates the number of US jobs outsourced to India will double to about 150,000 in the next three years. Analysts predict as many as 2 million US white-collar jobs such as those filled by programmers, software engineers and applications designers will shift to low-cost centres by 2014.


But the biggest companies looking to "offshoring" to cut costs, such as Microsoft, IBM and AT&T Wireless, are reluctant to attract attention for political reasons, observers said this week.


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:29 AM
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3. We need to be boycotting these companies
If AT&T outsources its call centers, then we all need to switch to Verizon. Something like that.
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i_am_not_john_galt Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 03:32 AM
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4. I got laid off
for cheaper labor in Texas (arguably a 3rd world country) and decided to start my own business. I actually tried to project what skills would be hard to outsource in the future - who'd a thought programmers would be a dime-a-dozen? It was between plumbing and video production, so I chose the latter.

I can forsee that in the next few years it will be possible for video editing to be outsourced globally - it's all digital now. So basically you need a skill that involves "being there" or you get a job shuffling work around the globe.

Small world.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:14 AM
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7. You are right about video editing
I am doing contract work for Technicolor which is owned by the French conglomerate Thomson. They have been buying up various businesses in this space in the US and Europe. They are setting up operations in China and Thailand for various parts of the film production process. The Thailand deal was specifically for video editing.

Digital networks allow the film to be sent anywhere in the world, often directly from the shoot. The video/audio editors can work on the shoot and get the results back for review within a day. It is very clear that the goal is to reduce the cost of labor, and the digital domain enables this to happen.

At the beginning of 2003, Thomson announced its global strategy in a single word, "China". They have been moving operations from all businesses there, and are abandoning US and European employees. They are focusing on growing market share in the Chinese market for products that are being produced there, since US and European markets have been tough. I don't know how many $2000 HDTV sets they plan on selling to workers that make $100 per month, but who ever said CEO's didn't have goose crap for brains?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 08:16 AM
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8. You are against all imports or exports?
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:27 PM
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9. Yes.
I believe in stopping the continuing deterioration of Americans quality of life. I believe that if a company wants to sell their crap here, they better make their crap here. Is that to much to ask?
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i_am_not_john_galt Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:35 PM
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11. yeah, it's too much
but how about if they want to sell their crap here they better let us sell our crap there, on the same terms.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:52 PM
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14. They can't afford our crap in thailand.
That's the problem. Where as we can start flexing our financial muscle for once. This country has a lot to offer, and it's not too much to ask IBM that if they want to continue doing business on American soil, then they better make their stuff on American soil.

For too long, our politicians have sold the American people down the drain. America has a lot more to offer corporatons than any other country in the world. Let them sell their crap in China, India or wherever else. Watch them come crawling back to the US with white flag in hand.

We need to think higher of our selvesand our country. Instead we are just giving away our wealth and resources.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 06:39 PM
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18. That's right, Muddle - we demand Fortress America, and now
Edited on Fri Jan-23-04 06:41 PM by hatrack
Boy, you sure got our number!

Because we can clearly see a sucky low-wage no-benefit future coming down the tracks (and approaching at high speed), that therefore means that we want to put up a giant 100-foot cement wall around the United States. The wall will be surmounted by a lethal electric fence, surrounded with remote sensors and manned by Green Berets, who will shoot to kill if any person or thing gets within 100 meters.

All air traffic must stop, all ports will be shut down, all exports and imports must cease, and we'll revert to an autarchic state in which everybody joins communes and grows potatoes, while filling their spare time weaving quaint peasant garments out of hemp and birch bark.

Why don't you give it a rest, and stop wasting our time erecting these stupid fricking straw-man arguments? Here's the future - good jobs outsourced and offshored, shitty jobs taken by low-wage desperate immigrants, and the rest of us standing around with our collective thumb in our collective butt, wondering what the hell we're going to be doing for a living for the next 50 or 60 years.

Why don't you have a steaming hot cup of STFU, lay off your implicit and implacable defense of the wondrous global economy, and suggest something useful, other than leaping to the conclusion that concern about the economic future means that "we are against all exports and imports"?
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 01:52 PM
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13. Will Code For Food
Isaw this .sig line on slashdot:
"if they have access to OUR jobs, we should have access to THEIR cost of living".

No free trade without free movemnt of people. If we are not willing to accept the consequences of unrestricted migration between countries we should not accept the consequences of unrestricted movement of goods, money & jobs.
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