Rebel Episcopalians Plot Future

[davidinalameda]

great headline!

http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/01/011204episcMeet.htm

More than 3,000 conservative Episcopalians from across the country met in Virginia over the weekend to determine the best course for continuing the opposition to the election of the faith's first gay bishop.

Rather than completely breaking away from the Episcopal Church, the dissidents appear to be leaning toward forming a network of conservative churches and parishes that would remain within the Church.

A second gathering of congregations will meet next weekend in Plano, Texas.

[el_gato]

1. what a bunch of losers

their whole "faith" is just a way for them to feel rightous
in their hatred

[Strapping Buck]

2. The wrong perspective...

Hey, wait!! why are they referring to the conservative people as "dissidents"? We've always been the dissidents-- the liberals within churces-- and should be proud of it! We've always been the "rebels", and rightfully so, with all that hogwash conservative Christians mutter about sin and hell and dead guys getting better.

We shouldn't let them take our place as the protestors. Does this make any sense to anyone besides me?

[Rowdyboy]

4. In the Episcopal Church, cnservative are the dissidents

and a DISTINCT minority atthat!

[Strapping Buck]

6. Clarification is needed...

To state that conservatives are the dissidents in the Episcopal Church needs a qualification, such as, "in the last 40 years", or something similar. Certainly, if we could travel in time and find Episcopalians from any era from the time of Henry VIII until the middle of the 20th century, we would find people, every one of whom would most certainly be "conservative" by our standards-- particularly pertaining to this issue.

[dsewell]

3. I want to see some REAL conservatism

Heck, what a wimpy bunch of reformers. I want to see some Episcopalians who are willing to return to the roots of the Anglican communion by reinstituting the practice of beheading one's wife for no good reason.

[Rowdyboy]

5. Henry VIII had an excellent reason

Anne Bolyn had 6 fingers on each hand and couldn't give him a son. Therefore, she must be sleeping around. Makes sense to me. Wish I had a wife who I could behead!

[pacifictiger]

7. interesting that they are not breaking away totally

as they so vocally threatened to do. The very nature of how the broader Anglican Church (Espiscopalean in America) is administered is to allow for varying degrees of interpretation for various diocese around the world. Seems a little backpeddling, albeit small, is going on here.

[skjpm]

8. The Anglican Church began with Joseph of Arimithea

Not Henry the 8th. According to legend, Joseph of A. took the Grail the England. If not then, then the Church began when the Roman soldiers brought it. The point is, the English Church is just as old and apostolic as the Roman or Eastern Churches. It did not begin in the Reformation, and is not a reformed church. It is a church whose roots reach back to the apostles. All Henry did was say that the Pope had no jurisdiction in England--he didn't renounce the Pope, nor did he create a new church. He merely restated something which had always been true since the church first began in around 40 AD.

[Strapping Buck]

9. Not exactly...

There is a big difference between the Church in England and the Church of England. Yes, the universal Church, the Catholic faith, was historically in the British Isles not long after the apostles-- but it was under the supreme juristiction of the Bishop of Rome. When Henry VIII declared that he, as the King of England, was the earthly head of Catholics in England there was schism. Communion was broken with the Bishop of Rome and the Church of England was established. And all because Henry couldn't keep his royal robes on. I once read somewhere the Church of England referred to as "the church of Henry's hormones". Good line, I must admit.

[Bridget Burke]

11. "And did those feet in ancient times...."

William Blake rules, but there's no historical record of Christianity surviving in Britain through the Anglo-Saxon conquest. That's the murky period in which a battle leader--who was probably not actually a King & whose name was probably not Arthur--may or may not have lived.

Irish missionaries began the task of converting the Saxons. In fact, they were sending missions to much of Europe while the Roman church was weak. St Augustine arrived from Rome to preach to the Saxons. Eventually the Irish church fell into line with Roman practice.

Since the most ancient Christian tradition in the British Isles was found in Ireland, did Henry VIII show due respect to his co-religionists there?

Nope.

[newyawker99]

12. Hi dsewell!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[PATRICK]

10. hey, where are the pols?

We have Jews and Catholics practically being invaded by neocons and the old money Church isn't a target of opportunity? What are the names of the "layman" ayatollahs behind the scenes on this one? I bet they are there but not with the names that like to get into print. Quiet phone calls from the board room and golf club sort of thing, I suppose.

What friends of Texas millionaires are leading this new moral branch?
When the Lutherans split it was ruinous to their mainstream nature and scholarship.