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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:28 AM
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Time: Mission Still Not Accomplished
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040920-695820,00.html

The U.S. military has been here before: caught in a conflict where the thing it does best—fighting—can't win the war. In Iraq today, brute force is a wasting asset, as Major General Peter Chiarelli, commander of the 1st Cavalry Division, knows firsthand. On a hot late-summer day, his soldiers entered Baghdad's Sadr City slum to quell attacks from militiamen loyal to rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Chiarelli's troops came under fierce fire as dozens of rocket-propelled grenades (rpgs) pounded their vehicles, and roadside bombs blew the tracks off a tank. For four hours, the two forces battled until the outmatched gunmen melted into the shadows. "We killed folks. There's no doubt we did," says Chiarelli. He knew the fighting would soon resume, but he sent his men back into the same neighborhood to distribute food supplies and materials such as cement, nails and boards to repair homes. It was part of the military's mixed mission: to defeat the insurgents while trying to win the backing of Iraq's resentful citizens.

But these days even good intentions don't add up to much. Chiarelli last month had hoped to drain recruits from al-Sadr's Mahdi militia by hiring 15,000 Sadr City men to clean the district's filth-filled streets. When a truce between coalition forces and al-Sadr broke down, however, the work project collapsed. The state of the district helps explain, Chiarelli says, why "a guy in Sadr City feels there is no hope." There's sewage in his yard, he gets one hour of electricity out of six, and he has no job. "If someone offers him money to shoot an RPG at Americans," Chiarelli says, "I would imagine it's not a hard choice."

That kind of despair, 19 months after the U.S. toppled Saddam Hussein, is adding fuel to the angry guerrilla insurgency that the Bush Administration acknowledged last week is out of hand. Important parts of the country, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Richard Myers said, are controlled by rebels. Principal cities and major roads west and north of the capital are ruled by Sunni insurgents. Al-Sadr's men launch uprisings at will across the wide Shi'ite belt, and even parts of Baghdad are no-go zones for U.S. troops and the frail forces of the interim Iraqi government. All this has helped make the peace much bloodier than the war: last month anti-U.S. attacks climbed to 87 a day, more than double the rate in 2003 and the first half of 2004. The U.S. death toll since sovereignty was returned to Iraq on June 28 has eclipsed the number killed in the invasion, and the total tally just passed 1,000. The wounded number more than 7,000. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld estimates that coalition forces killed up to 2,500 suspected insurgents in August, but the will of the rebels shows few signs of cracking. Attacks on U.S. troops increasingly come in the form of direct fire from small arms and suicide bombs, the tactics of a more sophisticated and in-your-face foe.

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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:30 AM
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1. Could you check the link, it's not working for me, thanks
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:51 AM
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3. I just went to the page - it worked for me
but I am making a "shorterlink" in case that helps:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q47A62749

hope this gets you there :)
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:47 AM
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2. Are we back to "body counts" now?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:57 AM
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4. Rummy says.....
just deadenders.... losers.... deadbeats.... onesies and twosies... no real resistance to our imperial goals. Now just think, this is the brains of the outfit speaking. Scary eh?

For brilliant people who are supposed to know history... hell, even our own history is a perfect example... what in the hell did they think they were doing selling off Iraq's infrastructure?

Who in the f did they think they were fooling doing projects WITHOUT Iraqi workers that could have been done at one tenth the cost by the Iraqis themselves???

If brains were dynamite these guys wouldn't have enough to blow their noses.

I remember reading a quote from an Iraqi at least a year ago... something like.... "we will be foreigners in our own land" after witnessing what was actually going down in his country... I said HIS country, not ours... not rummy's, not shrubs.

http://www.letstalksense.com/articles/Browne120902.htm
But what do you call a government that has tried (usually successfully) to force "regime changes" in Panama, Grenada, South Vietnam, Cuba, Guatemala, Chile, Rhodesia, South Africa, Iraq (in 1963), the Philippines, Serbia, Afghanistan (twice), Iran and several other countries that don't immediately come to mind?




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