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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 05:59 PM
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Salon.com: "And you thought his first term was a nightmare"
What Bush has planned for America if he wins.

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By Charles Tiefer

Aug. 25, 2004 | President Bush's plans for a second term threaten a devastating series of far-reaching challenges to the viability of the Democratic Party itself. Under Bush's slogan of an "ownership society," the Republicans intend a long-term effort, using changes in Medicare, Social Security and taxes to pit better-off and worse-off Democrats against each other, offering all-but-irresistible incentives for some to desert the others -- and any progressive national coalition. Congressional Democrats reeling from the impact of the last four years of Republican government in the White House and Congress (apart from the brief Democratic-controlled Senate in part of 2001-02) will find no respite in the platform's subtext about the party-splitting wedges ahead. A second-term Bush agenda will constantly impale Democrats on the dilemma of abandoning their poorer, sicker, older and minority groups, or seeing their better-off, healthier and younger members lured off to the other party. If it sounds like a political nightmare for the Democrats, that's because that's what it is planned to be.

Medicare
A prime provision of the Republican platform touts Bush's Medicare act of late 2003, focusing public attention on the drug benefit provisions and such nice-sounding themes as providing more healthcare choice and having a free market in healthcare. Meanwhile, the Republicans distract attention from the less visible part of the 2003 act, the Medicare Modernization Act (MMA), which made the most radical alteration to Medicare in years. These Medicare maneuvers occurred with the typical Republican stealth; the act was written in a closed-door conference committee that excluded meaningful Democratic input and rammed through Tom DeLay's House of Representatives by a single vote late at night as the rule for debate was extended for hours while moderate Republican doubters were coerced with threats.

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/08/25/bush_second_term/index.html
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Truly scary stuff here, folks. :scared:

The more I read of this article, the angrier I got.


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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:08 PM
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1. Do you have another link, I don't care to register with this site
...or why not just print the whole article
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:10 PM
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2. Or why not just get a day pass
The site is Democrat after all.

Show some support
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:26 PM
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3. Can't post the entire article
DU has a four-paragraph limit on postings, and this is three pages long.

You CAN get a day pass, though. You watch a brief commercial and then segue over to the main Salon.com website.

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:38 PM
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4. you don't have to register
just watch (or don't watch, let run) a short commercial, and you get in.

It's well worth the read.

I have to quote Mike Malloy after reading this: "God I hate these people"!!!
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:40 PM
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5. Yes truly scary
for the Republicans as we know from history that Revolution comes from the middle class and yes this will anger the middle class if the Republicans succeed.

We need to work like hell for a Democratic Majority in the House of Reps. that's got to be the goal. Say Bush* steals another election and we don't get the house of reps. back we have another 2 years into Bush* term to put a Dem. majority in to stop him. So if he wins and Repubs control all the branches the first 2 years will be the most potential for damage.
We must take back the House of Reps. that's where we bring charges of impeachment from the House that's what we need people! The House of Reps.!
Good case Kerry wins we still have to give him the House of Reps. I prefer Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich like Representatives ;) but for sure we need to give Kerry a Democratic majority in the House.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 09:16 PM
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6. here's the problem:
If Bush stays in office, it will only because he cheated through electronic voting. That pretty much means forget about taking back Congress, too.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 10:04 PM
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7. Maybe that would be a Good Thing
The whole problem with the democratic party is that it abandoned its base (see http://www.tcfrank.com essays link).

Maybe is GWB got a 2nd term, and he did manage to aplit off the white collar democratic voters, then the Dem party would have to actually appeal to the POOR and the lower middle class (horror of horrors!). And then there is that whole 50 fucking PERCENT of the electorate that does not even vote. Maybe the dems would have to target them. Problem for the party, though, is that most of those disenchanted 50% will only be attracted if the Dems actually offer them something, and back we go to the original problem: fucking over most of that 50% is the very economic BASIS of America! And neither the Dem pary or the GOP would want to end that gravy train.....


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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 09:50 AM
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8. If i'm not mistaken, that's Nader-like thinking
voiced by Nader supporters: things will have to get bad enough so that a new progressive movement will rise from the ashes. Question is, by the time that happens -- and it would take a great deal of time -- will there be anything left to save.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 02:06 PM
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12. There is only ONE REASON I am voting for Kerry
And only one reason I will work to get out the vote if texas is close: Kerry has said that he wants health care for all vets through the VA. That is my only healthcare right now.

Otherwise I would vote for Nader.

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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:03 AM
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9. Yes, never mind the civilians we kill in the next vanity war,
or the women who are sterilized or killed getting illegal abortions, or the toxic dumping that may permanently render our rivers and lakes unsafe. Another Bush term will only make the far left look more tragically valiant! If you want to make an omelette, you have to break eggs!
</sarcasm>
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 01:54 PM
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11. The America that Will Vote for Bush
Tom Frank's article A War Against Elites: The America that will vote for Bush from Le Monde Diplomatique talks not so much about the Democratic Party abandoning its base, but more about the Rebublican's effective strategy based on a cynical "right-wing populism." They've become passed masters at using the language, diction, postures, and appearance of folksy, down-home populism, all the while royally screwing the very people whose demeanor they're aping and whose values they pretend to espouse.

As Frank writes in Le Monde Diplomatique:
"Thanks to the rightward political shift of the past 30 years, wealth is today concentrated in fewer hands than it has been since the 1920s; workers have less power over the conditions under which they toil than ever before in our lifetimes; and the corporation has become the most powerful actor in our world. Yet that rightward shift - still going strong to this day - sells itself as a war against elites, a righteous uprising of the little guy against an obnoxious upper class.

At the top of it all sits President George Bush, a former Texas oilman, a Yale graduate, the son of a former president and a grandson of a US senator - the beneficiary of every advantage that upper America is capable of showering on its sons - and a man who also declares that he has a populist streak because of all the disdain showered upon him and his Texas cronies by the high-hats of the East. Bush’s populism is for real. His resentment of the East-coast snobs is objectively ridiculous, but it is honestly felt. The man undeniably has the common touch; his ability to speak to average people like one of their own is a matter of public record. And they, in return, seem genuinely to like the man. Bush shows every sign of being able to carry a substantial part of the white working-class vote this November, just as he did four years ago (although 90% of black Americans voted Democrat in 2000)."
This is the same message in Frank's excellent April 2004 Harper's magazine piece "Lie Down for America: How the Republican Party sows ruin on the Great Plains." His book "What`s the Matter with Kansas?" apparently covers similar territory, although I haven't read it yet.

Frank astutely observes that "right-wing populism" takes two forms:

  1. In good economic times, the message is that the market itself is the great democratizing glue that holds society together and empowers the little guy.
  2. In bad economic times, they fall back on cultural backlash--religiosity, homophobia, anti-abortion, Hollywood bashing, Budweiser vs. latte, etc.

Of course, they use both all the time, but one is always more ascendant, depending on the economic and cultural climate at the time.

Later in the Le Monde Diplomatique piece Frank does take the Left to task:
"The massive distortions and contradictions between these two rightwing populisms should be plain to anyone with eyes. (The founding conceit is the preposterous assertion that the upper class is a collection of leftists.) One populism rails against liberals for eating sushi and getting pierced; the other celebrates those who eat sushi and get pierced as edgy entrepreneurs or as consumers just trying to be themselves. One despises Hollywood for pushing bad values; the other celebrates Hollywood for its creativity and declares that Hollywood merely gives the people what they want. And yet the same organisations, often the same individuals, are advocates of both.

Why aren’t these contradictions crippling for the right? Partly because liberals refuse to take backlash populism seriously. They simply don’t bother to answer the stereotype of themselves as a tasteful elite, seeing it as a treacherous and obvious deceit mounted by the puppetmasters of the right. A smaller coterie of liberals don’t bother with it because they believe that conservative populism is merely camouflage for racism, which they believe to be epidemic in the US. The problem, they think, is neo-Nazis or right-wing militia types like Timothy McVeigh. That’s the real expression of middle America, the thing we ought to be investigating."
The overall message is that we must understand how the Republican brainwashing strategy works and why it is effective before we can unravel it. Just kidding ourselves that the message is obviously flawed and self-contradictory, or laughing at the hayseeds who buy it, won't get the job done.

If we want to break the Republican Party's stranglehold on millions of working-class and middle-class Americans, we're going to have to understand them and connect with them as effectively as the Right is doing today. As effectively as the Democrats once did.

To quote Tom Frank, "Until the American left decides to take a long, unprejudiced look at deepest America, at the kind of people who think voting for George Bush constitutes a blow against the elite, they are fated to continue their slide to oblivion."
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:33 PM
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15. Here's the problem with that analogy. This IS the system that those
poor bastard 50% participate in, whether they like it or not. SO, to CHOOSE not to participate in the democratic process is the same as accepting a slave mentality. If the democrats lose, that 50% won't matter anyway, Bush will just ship them off to war to die for the white man and his big oil money.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 12:16 PM
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10. This is scary
Why can't we come up with a long-term strategy to maximize the Democratic Party's chances?

Of all the criticisms of Bill Clinton, the only one I can give any credit to is that his triumphs (and there were many) were mostly personal and did not build the Democratic Party.

Where's our genius hard at work coming up with a game plan to win, not just now but over the next 20 years?

This is vitally important, not just for the future of the Democratic Party but for the future of America and the world. Do you want to live in a land where what Tiefer is saying happens? I sure don't.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:40 PM
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16. Agree with you on this...
Of all the criticisms of Bill Clinton, the only one I can give any credit to is that his triumphs (and there were many) were mostly personal and did not build the Democratic Party.

By winning the popular vote in 2000, Gore showed that Democratic populism can still be effective, but it needs the right leader(s) to make a winning program. The Democratic Party leaders, like Clinton, did nothing to bolster the Party. They chose the corporate model and while it paid off the party's bills, it caused the Party to sell it's soul and become a mediocre advocate for the middle and lower classes and an accomplice to corrupt corporate welfare.

Howard Dean and his DFA PAC are working to address the Party's leadership by sponsoring and encouraging a new generation of people to challenge the Reichwing and impotent Dem Old Guards by helping them run for office, asking them to join their local Dem Committees, or just get involved in the political process and discussion as campaign workers and activists.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 03:10 PM
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13. Totally Scary. It's a Devilish Plan
I just don't get what Shrub and his flying monkeys will gain from the destruction of the country.

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/08/25/bush_second_term/index.html

And you thought his first term was a nightmare
What Bush has planned for America if he wins.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Charles Tiefer

.... Under Bush's slogan of an "ownership society," the Republicans intend a long-term effort, using changes in Medicare, Social Security and taxes to pit better-off and worse-off Democrats against each other, offering all-but-irresistible incentives for some to desert the others -- and any progressive national coalition. ....

A second-term Bush agenda will constantly impale Democrats on the dilemma of abandoning their poorer, sicker, older and minority groups, or seeing their better-off, healthier and younger members lured off to the other party. If it sounds like a political nightmare for the Democrats, that's because that's what it is planned to be. ....

********UNQUOTE*******
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 03:34 PM
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14. Total domination and untold riches
That's all they'll gain.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 01:23 PM
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17. Total domination
you might want to visit
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

to see how his thinking (or lack of) might go
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 05:58 PM
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18. The New Right Wing Agenda

The New Right Wing Agenda
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0613-02.htm

"The most important implication of all this is that large segments of the domestic and world population are no longer seen as worth worrying about. On one level, this is just racism and classism. But there’s more than that going on. In the past, capitalism was optimistic and assumed that it would keep expanding, which provided the basis for a “corporate liberalism” that saw everyone in the world as a potential consumer and/or laborer - and therefore having some potential worth. But the new reactionaries see the future as much more of a zero-sum game. Partly, this is an expression of their incredible greed and corruption - their incessant efforts to rip off wealth for themselves and their narrow sets of cronies. In any case, the result is that most of Africa, large swaths of Latin America and Asia, and significant parts of the domestic US population have been simply written off -individuals who may arise from the trodden mass are welcome as junior partners, but there is no concern at all for the general well being of these sectors beyond token PR and the limited need to keep local elites from causing too much anti-American trouble on the world stage.

"The amazing thing is that the right wing fundamentalists have been able to seize power and win a large amount of support - or at least acquiescence -- among the US electorate. The people I talk with point to a number of contextual reasons. First, this country lacks any significant institutionalized alternative. The Democratic Party is both complicit and fratricidal. The labor movement is the only really powerful potential organized opposition, but they are ideologically scattered, organizationally weak, and under unremitting attack. In addition, the powerful role of money in shaping our electoral outcomes is another key ingredient in the right wings success, as well as in keeping liberal (much less radical) alternatives from gaining influence in the Democratic Party. The increasing dominance of US media by an incredibly small number of incredibly right wing corporations has a powerful impact. The collapse of the Soviet Union, the lack of any significant “third way,” and the resulting feeling that there is “no viable alternative” has been a very important context for the right wings’ ability to present themselves as inevitable and unstoppable. Finally, the current climate of insecurity, fear, and even paranoia - which the government and media are successfully doing their utmost to deepen and expand - plays an important role in making it hard for opposition to find political space.

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"Most important, by wrapping themselves in the mantle of religion, the GOP leadership has made themselves a vehicle for the growing religious fundamentalist upsurge - parts of which can accurately be described as a fascist movement. Having god on your side means you are always right, no matter what other people may think or how events may fall out. You simply never have to say you are sorry, and all your failures are the result of evil forces beyond your control. Being on a Crusade, having an absolutist and deeply ideological sense of mission, also underpins the right wing’s willingness to use all the power at their command - legal and extra-legal - to push for a maximal agenda. No matter how thin their electoral margin of victory, once in office, they act without hesitation or compromise. They understand that success creates its own legitimacy and its own tailwind, pulling others along with it.

"The scariest part is that the right wing lunatics feel that they’ll get away with it. Who remembers Afghanistan, or the absence of Iraqi’s supposed weapons of mass destruction? Who seems to care that our economy is collapsing? In the short term, Bush and company win not because of smarter strategies or brilliant tactics, but because they have access to overwhelming resources and power and they can simply outlast everyone and everything else. In fact, they are so incompetent and so blind to the complexities of the real world that they will make huge mistakes. So it is possible (but not inevitable) that the world situation will spin out of control and the small clique now running the country will have to pass the baton to others in 2004 or 2008. But we should not underestimate their willingness to keep imposing their will through direct (or indirect) force -- the racism, lies, manipulation, and violence used to secure the 2000 election are likely to be repeated or exceeded in coming years.

<more>

*In my view the Dem Party is in big trouble. The only reason there is any unity now is due to the Neo Fascist stranglehold on Congress, most of the Courts and the Mass Media. Another term for the Neo Fascists would mean a Fascist Corporate State. Could Amerika recover from another term of the Neo Fascist progrom?
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:00 PM
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19. Bye bye...

After fifty years, I've had enough of this crap. Nixon got me ready for Shrub. I saw his headlight coming before his train even hit the track.

If this human road apple wins, then I'm off to Canada. I'll have a Tshirt that says "American by birth- Canadian by choice".
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rfkrocks Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-04 08:21 AM
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20. I just wish to say that I can't believe how low the country has fallen
the last vestige of the New Deal is hanging by a thread-if Shrub wins another term with a rethug Congress-we will see the depression of 1929 revisited except with a government unable to support the fallen because of foreign debt-not a nice picture-great read
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