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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:33 AM
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Why Bush will lose in November
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 12:46 AM by Mortos
I have been thinking about this alot lately. What has changed since the last election. How will the majority of people vote and why? I have come to the conclusion that Bush will lose in November and here is why: The 2000 elections were not the most exciting in recent memory; no incumbent, two unexciting candidates, a bored electorate, good economy, a generally peaceful world. The people of this country were lulled into apathy. The end result- 48% to Gore, 48% to Bush and 4% to all other candidates.

The bases did what bases do and each diligently supported their respective candidates. The swing voters swayed to and fro and finally split about equally between Bush and Gore. 100 million people didn't even bother to show up at the polls. Minority voters were wooed and soccer moms were courted but no one really inspired the fire or political adrenalin of past elections.

What has changed since then? We are caught in an unending war on terror, deficit spending has exploded, we have an incumbent who has split the country apart politically, racially, sexually, religiously and culturally. 850+ U.S. troops have been killed and over 5000 wounded in a conflict that has been proven time and time again to have been waged on false pretenses. America's standing in the world community has never been lower. The economy does appear to be on the upswing but it is not reflected in job growth and a net loss of jobs appears to be likely for the first time in any administration since the great depression. Gas prices, drug prices, college tuitions, health care costs, and insurance are all rapidly out pacing inflation washing away the petite refund the majority of Americans received.

The Democratic base is as motivated and fired up as I have ever witnessed. John Kerry is raking in never before seen sums of campaign contributions (most from first time individual donors). Bush's base is still strong and he is, likewise, raking in the dough. Money is about a wash in this contest. Hundreds of millions will be spent making this the costliest election in the history of mankind.

For the first time, Liberals (or Progressives if you prefer) are receiving a small amount of representation on the radio, in books and (thank you Michael Moore) on the big screen. The incredible success of most of these ventures proves there is an engaged audience eager for the message. Yes, they are preaching to the choir but what a big loud enthusiastic choir it has turned out to be.

The third party as represented by Ralph Nader (Independent Candidate) and to a smaller extent Michael Badnarik (Libertarian Candidate) is polling horribly and is having trouble raising anywhere near the money the two big parties are raking in. Most of the supporters of third parties saw in the 2000 election the results of supporting an unelectable candidate. Vote your conscience and you may get the greater of two evils, making the lesser seem much preferable. Most main third party voters more closely relate to the Democratic Party platforms than the Republican (especially this one). The two main third party candidates have expressed their support for Kerry over Bush. This election will result in the smallest support for third party candidates in the last 5 elections and I wouldn't be surprised if some third party candidates chucked their support to Kerry at the last minute. Kerry gains disenfranchised third party voters, Bush does not.

Bush has lost the confidence of a few within his own party. The rising deficits, his immigration proposal, unchecked government spending, the Patriot act and other real or perceived sleights have done irreparable damage to the true conservatives in the Republican party. I have heard anecdotal stories and testimonials from many who, although they would never vote for a liberal Democrat, can not bring themselves to vote for a Republican who has betrayed their core beliefs. They would rather stay home or leave that part of the ballot blank. There is no counter equivalent loss in support for Kerry.

The homophobic red herring of the anti-gay amendment to the Constitution has sheared away the support of Bush within the gay community. Reportedly Bush had a million gay supporters in the last election. Kerry will undoubtedly pick up most of that segment of the voting public and probably many more new voters with whom this is a core issue. Bush keeps his religious base but loses much more.

Scandal upon scandal are reaching their conclusions or seeing the first light of day after this administration has stonewalled and thwarted the investigative process. The Plame outing, secret energy meetings, inter-administration memos, Halliburton overcharges, Medigate, violation of civil rights, torture. The American public and, more importantly, the American media are finally holding this administration to account (not to the level of extramarital sex but hey it's a start). Many more damaging and possibly devastating revelations will come out between now and November in spite of best efforts of the Republican controlled Congress. To even some of the most stubborn Bush supporters this much smoke indicates a fire. Bush loses support. Kerry either gains or stays even.

From the stories of disenfranchised African-American voters in Florida to Bush's no-show and outright snub of the NAACP, African-American support for this President, though never high, has eroded to an almost non-existent level. There is also active voter registration and recruitment by Democratically supported organizations to motivate and activate this under-represented segment of America. Bush loses whatever small amount of support he had within this community and Kerry keeps the traditional support and possibly gains new voters.

The military has been pushed to the breaking point by a poorly planned and unnecessary Iraq war. The families and the soldiers who have served have been lied to repeatedly by the defense department about the amount of time they would spend on combat deployments. The morale of the military is sinking rapidly. Stop loss orders and activation of the Individual Ready Reserve have further eroded the confidence and support of the military for Bush. The Non-Commissioned Officer Corps is in danger of being destroyed by those career NCO's who are choosing to retire or just leave the military rather than be overused and abused. While he will still have support withing the military community (which has traditionally been more conservative)there will be a backlash from tens of thousands of service men and women and their family members who have been seriously hurt by the direct actions of President Bush and his Neo-Con administration. Bush loses a significant amount of support from the military. Kerry receives the protest vote or stays even.

In conclusion, Bush has acted like he has a mandate from the people when over 50% did not support him to begin with. He has completely alienated Democrats, Moderates, members of his own party and base, homosexuals, African-Americans, the military, third party voters and the all important swing voters. Kerry gains the support of most of the above groups and at the very worst does not get the votes that Bush loses.

Bush is going to lose this election, not because of anything Kerry has done or will do, but because of all of the damage and conflict, pain and betrayal Bush has caused during his term. When it comes right down to it the election is not Kerry versus Bush it is Bush versus himself and in that contest Bush loses either way.





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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:36 AM
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1. Great post!
Interesting read, and I pray that you are right. Welcome to DU!:toast:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:49 AM
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2. Or, you might ask
Who, that voted for Gore in 2000 would vote for bush this time? And, Gore won last so....
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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:50 AM
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3. Well sure
if you want to reduce my thousand word rant to a sentence.... :>
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:05 AM
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4. Love your post
And a warm welcome to the crazy world of DU!

Regards,

TCO :toast:
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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:36 AM
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15. The answer would be
Dems who buy the illusion we are being tough on terroists.

People always overrate the effectiveness of "get tough" tactics. For many the complexity of understanding and compromise is the big fear.

Don't get complacent because we've had a small VP-pick bounce, these things can fade. Fear is still the enemy of everything.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:24 AM
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5. Hot damn ....
What a great post .... and a fine way to sign off for the 'evening' ...

Welcome to DU Mortos, and know that I'm hoping (and voting) this thread makes the DU Front Page .... it deserves a prominent place ..
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 05:57 AM
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6. A quote to remember and spread
"When it comes right down to it the election is not Kerry versus Bush it is Bush versus himself and in that contest Bush loses either way."

A classic, and the truth!

Thanks for the well-reasoned post, Mortos.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:04 AM
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7. Great post! Welcome to DU!
And, may I ask, how is Kerry doing in Oklahoma? Isn't Oklahoma the state where General Clark won the primary? Thanks Mortos! :hi:
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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:08 AM
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8. Clark won the Democratic primary
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 07:08 AM by Mortos
but this is Bush country. I have never seen or heard so many Democrats active and working towards a Democratic win but I am afraid the majority of voters here are still Repugs. I would still love to see Bush lose here and I am working on it.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:24 AM
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9. One sign that has encouraged me greatly
which you mentioned is the amount of donations Kerry is getting from individuals. That means there is a lot of interest on the part of Democrats and some Independants. No one ever would have predicted that Kerry would be almost even with Bush in fundraising. People that are donating will be voting and there have been lots of donations! Also encouraging is the surprise enthusiasm seen in States where you would not expect to see it. I think some of these polls are skewed, for whatever reason. Thanks for the great essay. Very well thought out and written!
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:36 AM
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10. thanks for the info, and the work you are doing in oklahoma
to mobilize kerry supporters, abb's, and the like-minded, who have abstained from voting in the past. :)
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 07:48 AM
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11. Well lookie there ...
DU Homepage ....

Again, Mortos .. GREAT post .... Very cogent and VERY inspiring ...

A Morning 'Front Page' kick ...
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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:52 AM
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12. Great post. Kick.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:54 AM
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13. KICK before work ...
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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:30 AM
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14. Maybe you should repost this to the more
popular General Discussion forum where more people will have an opportunity to read it.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:23 PM
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16. I posted your essay on another board
Freepers were quick to attack it

right here.
http://thedarktower.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=10300


Feel free to debunk their attacks.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 02:22 PM
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17. Not to mention the Nader vote from 2000 is in large part ...
going to Kerry this time and the Nader vote in 2004 is in large part coming from Bush IMHO. He's toast!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 03:02 PM
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18. Right on. I've been saying this for two years.
There are only two ways we lose.
1. Diebold
2. Martual Law

Otherwise, Its Kerry with 55%.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 03:17 PM
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19. I hope you're right but...
I know too many people who still like Bush, I know too many people who don't like Kerry... including myself. In the same way that the anti-Bush folks will hopefully vote for Kerry, the Pubs are probably counting on the anti-Kerry folks voting for Bush.

Yes, there are conservatives who don't like Bush. But I don't think they won't vote for him. More likely they'll make him pick a radically conservative VP.

I work in a company with tons of Bush supporters. I surf websites with tons of Bush supporters. I even have a few acquaintances (I can't bring myself to call them friends) who are Bush supporters. I'm scared that my brother-in-law will vote for him.

I know here in DU-land, we like to think we have the upper hand. But it's a long way to November, and we've got a LOT of work to do.
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:07 PM
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20. the title of your post should be...
"Why Bush will get more votes in November"

Because he will win the election. And he will be the next President of the US.

The touch Screen Voting Machines are in place in enough precints and it's effectively too late.

please review www.VerifiedVoting.org or www.blackboxvoting.com fo rthe details

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Tosca Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 08:16 PM
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21. And so, we are a banana republic.

We have given up on true representation, and elections are fixed and there's nothing we can do about it. Orwell is here. The fix is in. The deal is done. Bush, for another 4 years. It could be. It could very well be. And if he's elected THAT way, AGAIN, it's time to leave. Time to go live someplace else. I couldn't stand another 4 years of that freakin' drone. I'd rather go live in Mexico, where corruption is up front and a given and it's expected, like mail delivery.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:15 PM
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22. I'm a peace-loving kind of guy
But I can see myself rioting in the street if another election is stolen.
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midwayer Donating Member (719 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 09:45 PM
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23. Nice piece Mortos, very thorough compilation of thoughts (eom)
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Wiscmason Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 11:58 PM
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24. Absolutely!
You hit it right on the Head. I'm Predicting a Kerry landslide: Kerry 358 Bush 180, Kerry/Edwards 57% Bush/Cheney: 39% Nader/Camejo 3% Others 1% We Dems take back the Senate and make significant inroads into the House.

Kerry/Edwards will take the following Battleground states:

Florida
Ohio
Nevada
Colorado
Missouri

and will take these two unexpected states:

North Carolina
Arkansas


Kerry will hold all the rest- therefore- LANDSLIDE! Mark it down.

some reasons:

The economy, again!, stupid
All the negative numbers turning against Bush, including and most importantly his numbers on his handling of the war on terror.
Every soldier killed.
Every soldier forced to stay ANOTHER 6 months past his/her term
Job Outsourcing
Disregarding the African American, Hispanic and moderate,independent woman voter (aka "soccer mom")
The numerous scandals
and did I mention: the failed war in Iraq which was built on lies?

Debates? who needs 'em? Kerry will destroy Bush and Cheney is completely out of his league against Edwards.
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