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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 08:36 AM
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3 Totally False Claims By Those Who Want Transparency for the State, But Not for Assange Himself
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http://www.alternet.org/news/149276/3_totally_false_claims_by_those_who_want_transparency_for_the_state,_but_not_for_assange_himself">3 Totally False Claims By Those Who Want Transparency for the State, But Not for Assange Himself

Claim: If you think these rape allegations against Julian Assange should be taken seriously, then you just don’t get it! Wake up and smell the set-up!

Why I’m so fucking sick of it: No really, we get it. I promise. There might be like 3 people on earth who believe the timing of Assange’s arrest was pure coincidence, but I haven’t seen them hanging out in the feminist blogosphere.

The point we’re making is that they didn’t pick him up on unpaid parking tickets here. Two women have accused him of rape. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/10/AR2010121002571.html">Yes, rape. Rape allegations should be taken seriously....

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 08:51 AM
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1. 1 of the most poorly written articles I've seen on Alert-net
sorry I know that has nothing to do with the subject

:sarcasm:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:00 AM
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2. Yeahhh... The rape charges were taken seriously...
Up until the point where there was no evidence, the woman fled the nation, and it was discovered she used to work for the US government.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:20 AM
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3. Sorry, I'm sticking with Naomi. nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:41 AM
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4. Do you have a clue why 'Assange' and 'the State' are not equivalent?
Because from the headline of your odd OP, I'm thinking perhaps you don't.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:58 AM
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5. If we're exchanging clues
... the headline is the headline of the article on Alternet, not mine. :hi:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:59 AM
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6. then the author has no clue.
But are you posting this here as support for the authors viewpoint?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:05 AM
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7. Some of them, yes.
I agree there is a false equivalency between a single man and a state. One thing is not the same as the other. :shrug:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:07 AM
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8. It is quite difficult to take seriously an article that starts off with
a glaring false equivocation. To me it looks like just another hit in the Assange Hit Squad Parade of Bullshit.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:10 AM
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9. I advise reading it, then.
You may be surprised.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 02:37 PM
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10. at least the article makes clear where the misinformation is coming from:
an ill informed article by one Ms Valenti (a "fourth wave feminist", whatever that is) in that renowned feminist publication, the Washington Post:

"The allegations against Assange are rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. He's accused of pinning one woman's arms and using his body weight to hold her down during one alleged assault, and of raping a woman while she was sleeping. In both cases, according to the allegations, Assange did not use a condom. But the controversy seems to center on the fact that both encounters started off consensually. One of his accusers was quoted by the Guardian newspaper in August as saying, "What started out as voluntary sex subsequently developed into an assault." Whether consent was withdrawn because of the lack of a condom is unclear, but also beside the point. In Sweden, it's a crime to continue to have sex after your partner withdraws consent.

In the United States, withdrawing consent is not so clear-cut."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/10/AR2010121002571.html


Bullshit. Just like in the US and everywhere else, "there's a requirement of force in order to prove rape, rather than just demonstrating lack of consent" in Sweden. To wit:

Chapter 6
On Sexual Crimes
Section 1
A person who by assault or otherwise by violence or by threat of a criminal act forces another person to have sexual intercourse or to undertake or endure another sexual act that, having regard to the nature of the violation and the circumstances in general, is comparable to sexual intercourse, shall be sentenced for rape ...

http://webapps01.un.org/vawdatabase/uploads/Sweden%20-%20Unofficial%20translation%20of%20the%20Swedish%20Penal%20Code.pdf


While Ms Ardin may have offered the opinion that her sexual encounter with Assange developed into an "assault", she certainly never claimed that "consent was withdrawn" on her part. Not publicly, not in the published police interview. This appears to be a complete fabrication on the part of Ms Valenti. Ms Ardin does not claim she was raped. And Mr Assange is not accused of pinning Ms Ardin's arms down "during one alleged assault", no sir, Ms Ardin claims he did this to prevent her reaching for a condom - before he finally agreed to use one.

The rather vague allegation is that he "did something" to the condom, which would presumably constitute the "unlawful coercion" referred to above and which he vehemently denies. Likewise, in Ms Wilén's case, consent was not "withdrawn" at any point. The accusation of rape in her case is based on her claim that she had fallen asleep while he was fondling her and approached her sexually (after a night spent together, with consensual sex several times in a row). However, leaving aside the fact that she may have actually been only "half asleep" - she had been out buying breakfast and then came back into the bed - when she became aware that no condom was being used, she did NOT "withdraw consent", she did NOT tell him to stop and did not complain in any other way than stating "I hope you don't have AIDS".

Like in the other case, the allegation centers on the fact that a condom was not used, resulting in a lack of protection against potential transmission of venereal diseases. Since the woman claims she had previously insisted upon condom use, the failure of using one is construed by the women's lawyer and the latest prosecutor as lack of consent for the sexual act itself. That is a highly questionable enterprise, as evidenced by the original prosecutor's out-of-hand dismissal of any such suspicion. There is nothing in the paragraphs on rape in the Sweden penal code, not any more than in other penal codes, which would make such an interpretation plausible:

Swedish penal code, with comments and case references
Extracts in English provided on the website of Swedish Prosecution Authority
English translation provided by the Swedish Ministry of Justice
Explanation of latest changes in the penal code including the paragraphs on rape, 2005
Brief version provided by Interpol

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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 09:40 PM
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11. Given that J.A. is the ONLY man accused of rape that Sweden is trying to extradite
I'd say the rape allegations are being taken pretty seriously. Almost like there are no actual rapists in Sweden (you know, men who have sex with women WITHOUT their consent).
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-11 09:48 PM
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12. If consent is contingent on the use of a condom, then consent was not given for the sex that took
place.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 12:05 AM
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13. If consent is contingent on a money transfer, is it rape if you don't pay after sex? nt
Edited on Mon Jan-03-11 12:07 AM by reorg
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