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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 09:45 AM
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At this point do we have to be hoping for a revolution?
Are they starting the revolution without us? First there were the French workers, now the British students.

by Ken

Last night Howie shared his airport's-eye view of the confrontation between British students and the police agents of the burgeoning British-coaliltion security state.

At Heathrow passengers had been clustered around the TV sets watching the demonstrations against the move by the right-wing Conservative/Lib-Dem government to raise the cost of university tuition in the name of "austerity," the term the servants of the wealthy use instead of "concentrating the nation's wealth in fewer and fewer hands." I kept hoping the students would really go for it and spark a worldwide uprising against the international ruling elites. By the time we had to board our plane, they hadn't.

The above clip of a 15-year-old British student fighting back is getting a lot of attention, and understandably so. I should add that it's attracting a certain amount of backlash from people who dismiss his as a snotty young elitist, calling police "stupid."It's an accusation that seems to me made by people who are too lazy and stupid to watch what's before their eyes. The speaker is talking about police who, at least in his view, are serving as thuggish, violent enforcers of an authoritarian regime.

It helps that the U.S. is a country now in the throes of a hatred for knowledge, education, and the pursuit of understanding of the world around us, amounting to a worship of ignorance and imbecility, all of which handsomely serves the economic interests of the people who increasingly own us, or at least act as if they do. Just how bad it's gotten was laid out in a remarkable piece our friend Ian Welsh wrote recently, called "An American Future," which I encourage you to read in its entirety. I'm offering just some bleeding chunks here, and even these without the links you'll find onsite:

So, Im peering into my looking glass today, or rather tonight, as the snow eddies down, the first snowfall of winter, and its winter I see for America, and for the world.

Its clear at this point that America is only the shell of a democracy, and instead is run by a self-perpetuating oligopoly whose only law, whose only imperative, is its own survival and aggrandizement, no matter what the cost to America, to American citizens, or to anyone else in the world who is not part of the western elite class. The same is, with America switched to Europe, true of the oligopoly who run Europe. . . .

They have created a surveillance state where they track in real time, without warrants, the movements of citizens through cameras and by tracking credit cards, debit cards and even loyalty cards. Their servants stare at the naked bodies of everyone who wants to travel by air or grope their genitals, inflicting sexual humiliation on the public as a matter of course.

When embarassed, as with Wikileaks leaks of diplomatic communiques, their response is a deranged manhunt combined with a truly Soviet-style screaming of I cant hear you as they try and ban soldiers, the Library of Congress and public servants from reading information everyone has access to. This isnt just authoritarian, it isnt just jejeune, it is delusional. Every principal and teacher knows that if you tell people they shouldnt read something, that will make them want to read it. If they wanted people to think they shouldnt read these revelations, the reaction should have been muted, ho, hum, nothing there, not a deranged attempt to shut down anyone who mirrors the Wikileaks site and threats against anyone who dares read the information. . . .

f you have to stay, make sure youre on good terms with your neighbors, your spouse, your friends and your family. Figure out how to grow food wherever you are and how to reduce your dependence on anything but people you trust. (Dont trust any corporation.) And, if you can, organize. Organize locally, organize at the State level, organize nationally. Understand the age of compromise is over. It is now too late to save the old system. Its over. We tried, and we failed. It is beyond reform, it is going to flame out, the only question is how many people it will burn to death as it does so.

Yet, as Ian has been the first to note, there are pockets of resistance. There were the French workers striking against the high hand of the Sarkozy government. And now there's the developing support rising for Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, about which Ian has written a piece called "Why Assange and Wikileaks have won this round":

The odd thing about Wikileaks is that their success has been assured, not by what they leaked, though there is some important information there, but by their enemies.

The massive and indiscriminant overreaction by both government and powerful corporate actors has ensured this, and includes but is not nearly limited to:

* Shutting down Wikileaks servers, starting with the Amazon server
* Stopping domain name server propagation
* Paypal refusing to send payments
* VISA and Mastercard refusing to process payments
* The Swiss Bank PostFinance shutting down Assanges account
* Senator Lieberman pressuring firms over Wikileaks
* The odd behavior of prosecutors in the Assange rape accusations/case

Wikileaks and Assange have now been made in to cause celebres. If corporations and governments can destroy someones access to the modern economy as they have Wikileaks, without even pretending due process of the law (Paypal, VISA, Mastercard, Amazon, etc were not ordered by any court to cut Wikileaks) then we simply do not live in a free society of law, let alone a society of justice. . . .
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 09:49 AM
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1. A revolution? Who wins at the end and establishes power? Anarchy if you are lucky
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 10:03 AM
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4. Way to shut down the conversation before it starts -
but I will tell you one thing. You've been too greedy and now the world is revolting. By "you" I mean anyone benefiting from the status quo and not protesting the fascist takeover of this country. For the 98% of this world who are workers, I think the one who said it best should be quoted here: "Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains."
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 01:12 PM
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10. Fascist takeover of this country? I could go to Glenn Beck for this stuff.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 02:02 PM
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11. Yes, Glenn Beck would be a good one to explain fascism. It's too
bad it's so hard for folks to see if it's coming from their own party. So we will continue to be good germans ...
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 01:43 PM
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12. You actually believe the Democratic Party is promoting fascism? I hope you are kidding.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 09:51 AM
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2. More "Come The Revolution" Stuff, is it?
Feh! Random bloggery at its worst.

Does this revolution talk excite you? Is that it? You have no idea what a revolution brings with it, I think.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 10:02 AM
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3. No.
We have to be planning a revolution.
I like Gandhi's March to the Sea as a model.
Or maybe the Velvet Revolution.
Otherwise, without the planning, it will become nothing but a bloody mess and the people with all the money will end up winning anyway.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 10:22 AM
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5. The first question for any revolution has to be: what will the Army and Air Force do?
They're the guys with the big guns and bombs who can massacre any 'revolution' if they decide to. So any 'revolution' has to be crafted such that the Army and Air Force will let it go ahead. So, what do people who talk of revolution expect their military to do? Have them unofficially asked them?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 10:35 AM
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6. Hooray for armchair revolutionaries! Safely blogging from their comfortable...
homes they call for someone else to go out and get shot down.

It ain't tyranny here by a long shot.

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 11:27 AM
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7. Have you ever seen an *actual* revolution
Like, people being killed in the streets and stuff?

Count me out. Not over 39.6% vs. 35% on the top marginal tax rate.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:04 PM
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8. If you mean an old fashioned revolution I do not think it will happen
that way. Yes, it is happening that way in many countries across the globe right now but the real change will have to come from personal lifestyle changes. Bottom up. Bernie, gave a good speech on what it is we want as progressives and that is a start. Congress letting President Obama and the repugs know that we are not just going to follow along behind is another good step. Many of us are so broke that we are not going to be able to buy the usual Christmas presents. That is not bad. Christmas has been turned into nothing more than a buying frenzy for years now anyhow. This Christmas can be used to reset our purchasing habits. Live simple is as good a model for personal revolution as we can get. New Years is a good time to start making plans to become more self-sufficient, to support local community businesses, to encourage local government to work toward energy efficiency and to make plans for harder times without hurting the poorest in the community.

All of this can be done on a local personal basis and is a revolution in the sense of the changes that took place during the industrial revolution years ago. The students in England are trying to restore the status quo and it is not going to work. As Dylan put it years ago "the times they are a changing" and anything we do must take this reality (oil depletion, climate change and overstretch)into account. If it does not it will not work. I only wish I were able to do more to help make these local changes. But as my 11 year old great-grandson said, "Grandma, no one listens to old people anymore."
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:29 PM
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9. if enough
people hit them in their pcket books at the same time that would help. stop buying! buy only the neccesities, take your money out of a commercial bank and put in a credit union. we are still the largest consumer nation (India and China are catchin up) but if enough of us stop spending all at once and for long enough it would hurt.
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