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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:58 PM
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"Are the American People Obsolete? The richest few don't need the rest of us ...."

The richest few don't need the rest of us as markets, soldiers or police anymore. Maybe we should all emigrate

By Michael Lind

Have the American people outlived their usefulness to the rich minority in the United States? A number of trends suggest that the answer may be yes.

In every industrial democracy since the end of World War II, there has been a social contract between the few and the many. In return for receiving a disproportionate amount of the gains from economic growth in a capitalist economy, the rich paid a disproportionate percentage of the taxes needed for public goods and a safety net for the majority.

In North America and Europe, the economic elite agreed to this bargain because they needed ordinary people as consumers and soldiers. Without mass consumption, the factories in which the rich invested would grind to a halt. Without universal conscription in the world wars, and selective conscription during the Cold War, the U.S. and its allies might have failed to defeat totalitarian empires that would have created a world order hostile to a market economy.

Globalization has eliminated the first reason for the rich to continue supporting this bargain at the nation-state level, while the privatization of the military threatens the other rationale.

The offshoring of industrial production means that many American investors and corporate managers no longer need an American workforce in order to prosper. They can enjoy their stream of profits from factories in China while shutting down factories in the U.S. And if Chinese workers have the impertinence to demand higher wages, American corporations can find low-wage labor in other countries.

This marks a historic change in the relationship between capital and labor in the U.S. The robber barons of the late 19th century generally lived near the American working class and could be threatened by strikes and frightened by the prospect of revolution. But rioting Chinese workers are not going to burn down New York City or march on the Hamptons.


What about markets? Many U.S. multinationals that have transferred production to other countries continue to depend on an American mass market. But that, too, may be changing. American consumers are tapped out, and as long as they are paying down their debts from the bubble years, private household demand for goods and services will grow slowly at best in the United States. In the long run, the fastest-growing consumer markets, like the fastest-growing labor markets, may be found in China, India and other developing countries.

This, too, marks a dramatic change. As bad as they were, the robber barons depended on the continental U.S. market for their incomes. The financier J.P. Morgan was not so much an international banker as a kind of industrial capitalist, organizing American industrial corporations that depended on predominantly domestic markets. He didn't make most of his money from investing in other countries.

In contrast, many of the highest-paid individuals on Wall Street have grown rich through activities that have little or no connection with the American economy. They can flourish even if the U.S. declines, as long as they can tap into growth in other regions of the world.

Thanks to deindustrialization, which is caused both by productivity growth and by corporate offshoring, the overwhelming majority of Americans now work in the non-traded domestic service sector. The jobs that have the greatest growth in numbers are concentrated in sectors like medical care and childcare.

Even here, the rich have options other than hiring American citizens. Wealthy liberals and wealthy conservatives agree on one thing: the need for more unskilled immigration to the U.S. This is hardly surprising, as the rich are far more dependent on immigrant servants than middle-class and working-class Americans are.

MORE AT:
http://www.salon.com/news/us_economy/index.html?story=/news/feature/2010/07/27/american_people_obsolete
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:04 PM
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1. Americans over 50 have been obsolete for a long time
and the expiration date for our usefulness to the plutocracy is starting to go down through the 40s now.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:21 PM
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2. Recommend
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:27 PM
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3. This makes sense in a deeply-concerning sort of way.
PB
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:40 PM
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5. It is deeply concerning.
It's an observation put out there that we might well need to grasp for the enormity of the implications for our future as a Nation.

I don't think many of us have realized how this is more a reality than the hope of creating new jobs for Americans. Where will the money and incentives come for the new jobs when there isn't a need for new jobs for the most wealthy, powerful and vocal citizens..the Top 1%.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:41 PM
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13. So. What we do is remove them.
My suggestion is contained in the movie Munich.

They should be hunted down like the dogs they are and removed. It doesn't matter where they are or who they are - if we decide they are a national threat, then they should be Muniched. Why do you think that publicly funded elections are so opposed by the Uber rich? Because they know that if we decide that they are a threat then we will force recon/ delta force / green beret / seal their asses. And we should. Maybe the IRS needs a special forces branch - motto: pay your taxes, or die.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:31 PM
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24. I Hear Ya!...but most Americans are more focused on "NJ" Series than Politics...
since the last Election. It will be hard to motivate people who know they are going down on the TITANIC...and who are the last to be in the Ballroom Dancing as the Ship goes Down.......

It's Human Nature not to deal with a crisis until the water is flooding your cabin and death seems imminent.

But, the Cassandra's who see it first...are the first TRASHED.

It's a question of "immediacy" that has been with us since the "Beginning" that some see imminent danger and can "Get It"...while others prefer to "Dance the Night Away in Bliss."

It's sad that Human Nature is what it is...But, I guess we've survived for Milleniums with it.......so, what so bad.

Except for the rest of us who "Smell, Feel and Taste the DANGER...and WARN AND WARN. But, NOBODY HEARS US!
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:32 PM
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25. Whoa! Feeling a bit radical are we?
LOL! But no, seriously those people have no national loyalty - fuck 'em I say.
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rschop Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:39 PM
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4. So what's next?
You could actually see this coming for the last 20 years. So what is next for the large number of average Americans?

If the large numbers of average Americans aren’t going to quietly go away by themselves, will the super rich be forced to set up concentration camps with crematoriums to expeditiously and quickly do way with what they consider to be way too many surplus Americans.



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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:54 PM
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12. Gated Compounds, Security Systems and Body Guards, Private Jets, Private Schools.
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 03:54 PM by KoKo
People like Bill Gates already live like that. The Top 1% doesn't ever have to deal with anyone they don't need to. They can pay the Politicians and there's little need for them to be bothered with the rest. We are already seeing how Congress and Senate are voting. And, the Supreme Court ruling on "Corporate Personhood" and the right for our elections to be tampered with by funding from foreign wealthy.


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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:48 PM
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6. Time to eat the rich, actually I'd prefer to tax the upper 1% out of existence.
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lakers4life24 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:12 PM
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7. Americans Became Obsolete When they Voted Republicans into office
The start of Americans Becoming Obsolescence began with the election of Reagan. Thanks to his Voodoo style economics along with his Corporate Fat Cats is Washington who played him like a fiddle, America has since become the World's Laughing Stock in almost every category. From then on it has been one train wreck after another with each Republican that Americans vote into office. Yet people still do not learn.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:28 PM
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9. It probably began before then, but it grew exponentially during Reagan's reign. nt
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:45 PM
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15. They tested the waters with Goldwater.
Checked out the rules with Nixon.

But they really started the 'screw the poor' game with Reagan and the Friedman economic policies. The rich need to die, or be taxed out of existance. Make it so that they can't run. Munich their asses.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:54 PM
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16. I think the seeds were sown many years before, but they probably didn't even fathom
the enormous potential of sending our manufacturing and jobs overseas. The thing just became a monster during Reagan. The monster that ate America.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:27 PM
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8. This makes sense. What shall we do? If they don't need us, then we have to stop
needing them.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:21 PM
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23. What would YOU propose we do? We worked hard to get Dems Elected
I can't see much has changed. But, if you do...and see a better scenario please post what you see that I missed. I need some encouragement.. Some glimpse of hope...some nugget of HOPE that I've missed in what I've seen going down since the 2000 Selection and now, I realize, bad stuff was going on ...LONG BEFORE..while I was trying to Live my Life as a GOOD, PRODUCTIVE AMERICAN!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:22 PM
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30. It's so huge it's beyond comprehension. We say "create jobs" - yet the jobs
have been shipped overseas. We can't walk down the street and get a job in the factory because it's in China now. We can't get the jobs that ARE here because of the visas bringing in lower-wage people to take those slots.

So let's say you and I and lots of our friend have money so we decide to build a bumper sticker factory, source all our materials from American companies, hire only Americans who have been displaced, really do it right. So, how come people aren't buying our bumper stickers? Because they can get bumper stickers from the company that gets their supplies from China and has them manufactured there for one quarter of what we charge for ours. We can't keep the company going and our people employed because we aren't getting any revenue.

And so on.

As I said, it's almost impossible to comprehend.

I don't know what to do. I don't know what can be done.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:27 PM
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31. What you say is the truth about "Entreprenuer Start Ups" and what they face...
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 08:29 PM by KoKo
Contrary to what the Clinton, Bushies and others have told us... The reality is...no fledgling "Start Up" AMERICAN Company can compete against that cheap labor from other countries at this time.

Maybe the hope is "GLOBAL PARITY in WAGES?" Where we all have cheap labor dictated by some World Organization...and so that is the way wages will grow from the "same starting point"..Globally, of course? :shrug:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:45 PM
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34. That would be nice, wouldn't it - knowing that all the people of the world
were paid fairly and decently. I don't think that will ever happen because of the greed of those who just seem to need more and more. It's almost like an illness.

I'd say get out the pitchforks but according to a really depressing article I read in Salon today, they don't give a shit - even that won't get to them.

I think the whole thing has to come crashing down somehow, where their dollars don't buy them anything because they're worthless, when we're all on the same playing field. I don't know how that happens or if it ever will. We've really fucked it up, all for money and power. The ONLY thing that gives me a pinch of comfort is that when they're on their death bed they'll be all alone and there's nothing their money can do.

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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:09 PM
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37. Capitalism demands political and economic stability in order to function and
without one or the other capital will flee to more friendly environs. Economic instability manifested when the investment banks began floundering hence, the bailout. What hasn't happened, and shows little sign of happening, is political instability. If we create enough political instability the capitalists, far fewer in number, will demand change, but a violent crackdown by the capitalist class could ensue. However, there are, I believe, ways to avoid such a backlash.

An initial step might be to work building international solidarity with Labor Unions around the world. And whenever a Labor leader is assassinated in another country we all just walk off the job, those of us who still have jobs. Some 2,500 Labor leaders and organizers have been murdered in Colombia over the last several years but we remain mute. We desperately need to form another political party. Liberals keep telling the disaffected democrats that we need to "take back" the democratic party but I don't know how we take back something we never had. This will be difficult because the two wings of the same political party have erected many barriers in order to protect the status quo.

Just a couple of ideas.
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:10 AM
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36.  Ancestors
hmm...actually, many of the jobs my ancestors held are still here in America. But, there inhabited by illegal immigrants. Jobs Americans don't want...I guess done by illegal immigrants AND shipped overseas.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:08 AM
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35. Common people don't need them, what we need to do is convince our government that it doesn't either
We can stop paying for wars that support them, stop subsidizing their bloated offshored corporations and start using our taxes to support our economy.

Plenty of options in rebuilding our infrastructure with a green economy, we can stop subsidizing oil and war and corporate media for starters.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:10 PM
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10. Once the factories moved the jobs our inner cities are filled with unneeded people.
How can people without jobs afford to buy the stuff they used to make?
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:44 PM
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14. Not unneeded.
Servants. And whores. The rich have a desire for slaves. And thanks to that pesky constitution amendment thingy, they have to find legal ways to do that. What better way than breaking the financial back and futures of the proletariat.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:26 PM
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38. What You Say! It's a real concern for those of us "Watchrs" with this stuff going down..
So...What do we do about it.

I don't know. Some of us gave it our best to fight back after Bush II STOLE the 2000 ELECTION...

But, we have few voices these days since the "FUNDING" has been cut off for Lefty Voices......

I don't know, honestly how we can fight back given the "climate."
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:40 PM
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11. I am hoping to emigrate
I keep on hoping that we'll fight back and make people like Boner and Beck fear for their lives, but it's very faint at this time.
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lakers4life24 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 05:23 PM
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17. At this point It may be the best thing
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 05:25 PM by lakers4life24
Especially when the number of Idiots and Moronic Americans that continue to vote these Tea Baggers and Republiscum into office Hell bent on destroying the Middle Class and America just to stay in office and to protect their wealth rather than actually helping the American people.

It may be better just to emigrate or seek work in another country because every day it just doesn't seem to be worth it anymore.

The sad part is that many people I know actually feel this way.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:02 PM
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20. I've thought about it seriously since 2000 Stolen Election...but am still here.
Just couldn't find a place that the "long Arm of US Govt." wouldn't eventually crack down. I tried and tried. But, even Canada has become very restrictive...and I'm not young enough to just go someplace and "set up residency" and hope they will accommodate me in some future time.

A part of me, also, wants to stay here and WORK FOR CHANGE... But, then, I've been THERE and DONE THAT since 2000 SELECTION...so that get's kind of boring, too.

Hard to know where to go...what to do...
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 09:14 AM
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41. I'm with you on the moving thing.....
but there are so many restrictions and obstacles....then there is the "money" thing. It takes money to move. Plus we have pets. Some of these places have restrictions on those also. And then there's family thats left behind. Its just not as easy as saying, "I'm gonna move". Even if you would like to.
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econoclast Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 05:52 PM
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18. We ALL share the blame!
Uncomfortable as it is we have to wake up to the fact that WE are as much at fault as the robber barons. Every factory moved offshore produced goods that WE continued to buy! Wearing Nikes rather than New Balance? There goes an American job. Driving a VW, BMW, Volvo, Nissan etc. ? There goes more American jobs. Drinking Corona or Heineken rather than Sam Adams? More american jobs gone?

Yeah, they decided to move the factories. We validated their decision by continuing to buy the stuff those factories produced!

We believe Keynes, no? What drives the market? Supply or demand? Keynes says Demand drives the market. As long as WE continue to buy the imported stuff that's what will be supplied. Or have we become, suddenly, supply-siders? Because it is too uncomfortable to squarely assess our own role in the current state of affairs.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:10 PM
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21. Some of what you say is true for "we are to blame." But, let's look at the Reality of What we Faced
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 07:17 PM by KoKo
American Made Clothing and Manufactured Goods became so expensive that folks couldn't afford to buy the goods...because our wages haven't gone up since the 1970's because Politicians were meddling with the economy between "Inflation and Deflation" during a couple of Decades.

So..as American Wages went DOWN...American Families and Singles had to go "cheaper and cheaper" to afford the lifestyle they thought they should have. So...they bought cheaper Japanese Cars ...then it was cheaper Toys, Housegoods, Toiletries, Appliances, Tools and Hardware, plus Coffee Pots, Toaster Ovens, Grills, etc.

We BOUGHT WHAT WE COULD AFFORD on SHRINKING WAGES...and we BOUGHT IT MANY TIMES ON CREDIT CARDS!

Now it's time to "Pay the Piper" for what we bought on lowered wages with a Credit Card Boom and Housing Bubble that caused us all to think we were RICHER than WE WERE!

Shit has Hit the FAN....and all we buy is now made OFFSHORE by "Slave Wage" folks in foreign countries.

We worry about this. WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THIS!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:01 PM
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19. Not fully obsolete yet, but the trend is there and rapidly intensifying
As usual, 99.9% of the Subject Populace won't notice until it's too late (it's pretty much too late right now) and when they do notice, they'll be given some scapegoats and outgroups as sacrifice.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:16 PM
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22. Trend Lines do Matter...and thanks for pointing that out... n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:34 PM
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26. To start, public funded elections, without it we don't now nor will we in
the future have much of a chance for working toward an equal footing again.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:41 PM
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27. But...how do we fight for "Public Funded Elections?" No one listens to us on this issue...
It's considered some "Progressive/Lefty Thing" and our Dems don't want to hear about it. In fact most of DU Posters and Readers don't want to hear about it. They "UnRec" every mention of REFORM...

So...we have to let the whole damned system IMPLODE...before ANYONE LISTENS? :shrug:
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:59 PM
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28. I think there could be several approaches, not just one. Building
consensus across party lines is obviously vital.This is where you would find individuals who do not believe government works for them, and these folks don't always vote. The push for public funded elections should not ever be about a political platform, it should only be about imo, having your representative free from influence. The campaign to sell the idea is of course difficult, the MSM does not ever discuss the idea at all.




Grass root building across party lines and try and get an editorial in your local paper about it. If you can even only begin a dialog about the meaning of public funded elections it would not necessarily appear to be a progressive idea any longer, but a GOOD idea period.


http://www.publicampaign.org/
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:21 PM
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29. Some of us belong to other websites who are trying...but as the days
grow longer and we lose our funding...our voices for Public Funded Elections and other issues grow weaker.

I truly am beginning to think the whole system will have to implode before anyone listens about reforms, anymore. Most folks are happy that the "Change" has happened...and they are too tired, stressed worn out to dig and work for better. IMHO...of course.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:30 PM
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32. You may be right, but sometimes the human desire to survive brings people together.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:36 PM
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33. It's worth the hope that things will reach a "tipping point" before Implosion as the final
end. I try to think of things like that as hopeful...that folks will wake up before we go over the edge like driven sheep to our demise.

It's good to be hopeful. Who knows? Civilization has been through worse, before. Maybe we can pull out of it.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 08:36 AM
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39. K&R. nt
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 08:56 AM
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40. They still need us to buy thier "child labor created" shit....
and max out our credit cards.
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