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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:04 PM
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Out-Republicaning the Republicans
Published on Thursday, April 1, 2010 by CommonDreams.org

Out-Republicaning the Republicans

Obama Revives Clinton's Disastrous Triangulation Strategy

by Ted Rall


"It was Bill Clinton who recognized that the categories of conservative and liberal played to Republican advantage and were inadequate to address our problems," President Obama wrote in his book The Audacity of Hope. "Clinton's third way...tapped into the pragmatic, non-ideological attitude of Americans."

Clinton's "third way" was "triangulation," a term and strategy invented by his pollster Dick Morris. Triangulation is a candidate's attempt to position himself above and between the left and the right. A Democrat, Clinton insulated himself from Republican attacks by appropriating many of their ideas.

Obama is even more of a triangulator than Clinton.

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Because of Clintonian triangulation, the liberal base of the Democratic Party saw the 1990s as a squandered opportunity: eight years of unprecedented economic expansion with not one new social program, not even national healthcare, to show for it. They got the message: voting Democratic doesn't guarantee Democratic policies. Unenthused, liberals stayed home or voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Liberal disgust for triangulation (they called it "selling out") sufficiently reduced Al Gore's margin of victory to allow George W. Bush to steal Florida and the national election. It took the Democrats six years to begin to recover.

Obama ran as a centrist. It would come as little surprise if he were governing as one.

But he's not a moderate president.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/01-6
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:13 PM
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1. That's been posted at least twice before.
It wasn't any good then and it still isn't.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:22 PM
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6. It's important because it's true - missed it before, glad it was reposted. k&r
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:29 PM
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I didn't notice much true.
I noticed the buzz word triangulation. Just like that buzzword corporatist is such a favorite.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:30 PM
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9. Who cares about buzzwords? Read the whole article carefully...
...without being defensive about the prez.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:43 PM
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13. I did read it.
Like most things commondreams is putting out these days it's a piece of crap. It's a rant. And I really don't think it offers any perspective to DU. Any article that says, and I quote, "Obama is a Republican. A right-wing Republican. Thanks to triangulation gone wild.", is nothing but a bash. And a piss poor one at that.

It's just....common.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:50 PM
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14. Maybe they're not buzzwords..
.. maybe they just describe the truth the way it is.

Corporatism does rule this country right now.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:53 PM
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15. Sure they're buzzwords.
Someone used corporate whatever on this very thread. It made me laugh.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:56 PM
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16. I suppose fascism and war crimes are also buzzwords to you
How sad!
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:59 PM
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17. No, sad is the constant putdown of the US and the President.
Words are cheap. And they are cheaper yet when they are used as weapons against your own.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:56 PM
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19. So you don't see how the prez is pushing Republican policies? nt
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 04:43 PM
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23. I made the same observation is another post the other day.
Rahm Emmanuel was Clinton's Karl Rove. Political Director. Now he's Obama's Chief of Staff. They're infuriating by Republicans by enacting their policies. Expand the war, more off shore drilling, Romneycare, attacking teachers unionsm and on and on, ad nauseum.

Yeah, I'd say there's Rahm triangulation going on here.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 02:20 AM
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29. Nope. I see how he's pushing them into a corner.
Nothing is black and white ya know.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:22 PM
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21. US and the President are two separate and distinct entities
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:28 AM
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27. -1 In some ways Obama will never out-Republican a Republicon
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 01:36 AM by Mithreal
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:25 AM
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26. Thank you.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:42 PM
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12. And the author was wrong about several points
No new social programs created? AmeriCorps, SCHIP?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:35 AM
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28. If you had anything better to counter it, I guess you would have brought it.
But this is probably the most efficient way to disrupt. Sometimes I actually think folks like you are working against Obama, honestly, no kidding whatsoever. You must know what I mean.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:15 PM
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2. Would it be reasonable to say this is the agenda of the DLC? Just asking... n/t
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:18 PM
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3. No, it would be the Ted Rall agenda.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:21 PM
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4. Yes, its DLC
Third Way, whatever name the pseudo Republican Dems want to call themselves today.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:27 PM
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7. Absolutely - great idea, huh? nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:37 PM
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10. It's certainly not the democratic party I grew up with a long time ago. I find it
quite frustrating as with majorities across the board, I had thought we were entering a period akin to FDR. I'm constantly reminded of how much corporate America has bought the political system in this country, influences and redirects even the best of intentions.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:57 PM
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20. Yeah, this has been a rude awakening - especially when we so need a period akin to FDR! nt
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 08:31 AM
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30. No question about it...the answer is Yes. nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:21 PM
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5. Sad but true - "Voting Democratic doesn't guarantee Democratic policies." nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:29 PM
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8. My problem with stuff like this is that it is sooooo unilateral and static, top-down, it assumes
that only the actors defined by the author have any role in the outcomes AND all of the roles are already known and accounted for in what it assumes to know, absolutely, about something called "triangulation". It, thus, perpetuates the very things that it purports to resist.

BULLSHIT.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 01:40 PM
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11. Soon as I saw Ted Rall's name I stopped reading
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 02:10 PM by bluestateguy
The Ann Coulter of the Left who mocks Pat Tillman and defended the Somali pirate kidnappings of US citizens.
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Ted Rall Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 09:18 AM
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32. Keep Reading
I mocked press coverage about Pat Tillman, not Pat Tillman. But you'd have to read something other than Michelle Malkin to know that--like the cartoon itself.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 02:10 PM
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18. K&R
I didn't vote for Obama to get McCain's energy and climate policy.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 03:51 PM
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22. Go Palin yourself
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 06:26 PM
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24. Bill Clinton's title of "Best Republican President EVER"....
...is in imminent jeopardy.

I have some compassion for the Old Dog.
"2nd Best Republican President EVER" won't attract near as many Thrill Sex Groupies.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:55 PM
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25. "Liberal disgust for triangulation (they called it "selling out") sufficiently reduced Al Gore's
margin of victory..."

Yet, the DLCers who now run the party still maintain they don't need us.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 09:13 AM
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31. Clinton isolated himself from Republican attacks?
Not that I remember.
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