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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 09:41 AM
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How Far Must Johnny March?
How Far Must Johnny March?
By David Glenn Cox

Lost in the debate over health care and in between Sarah Palins speeches and right about the time the thriller stopped thrilling was Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announcing a Temporary expansion of the Army by 22,000 men. This temporary expansion is designed to take the strain off the Army. The Army has been growing all along and had reached 547,000 before this latest announcement. Some dont think that 22,000 are enough; Senator Joe Lieberman issued a position paper calling on the Army to expand by 30,000 troops.

When completed, by 2012 the United States will have an army of 569,000 men. But with 58,000 troops in Afghanistan and 130,000 troops still in Iraq, they just need more. Secretary Gates doesnt want to talk cost, but when does the military ever want to talk about cost? Gates uses the old rabbit out of the hat trick saying only that it would require "additional tough choices" without saying what these choices would be. The Congressional Budget Office estimated the cost of increasing the Army's size by 30,000 soldiers to be about $2 billion in 2011, $4 billion in 2012 and $2 billion in 2013, according to a report issued July 14.

Gates argues, "This is an important and necessary step to ensure that we continue to properly support the needs of commanders in the field, while providing relief for our current force and their families." The short version is we aint got enough and need more and well find the money well always find the money for more soldiers.

Meanwhile, as Congress debates more funding for the Cash for Clunkers program, Congress is pressuring Obama and Gates to boost the size of the Afghan National army from 175,000 to 400,000. I guess you could call that the original cash for clunkers program. A few months back an army investigation reported that most of the weapons now in Taliban hands started out in the hands of the Afghan National Army. After eight years of training the force is barely capable of defending the capital. In Vietnam they had a saying, Arvin by day, Cong by night, meaning that you couldnt always trust their loyalties.

I guess Afghanistan reminds me a lot of Vietnam by the way that it grinds on and on with no end in site, without even any metrics as to what would constitute victory. There is a ruling clique ensconced in the capital with a president who struts in robes and sashes while his crooked family members loot the treasury. And outside the capital is a place called reality, where the people are stuck in the middle of a stinking war between Taliban warlords and predator drone aircraft.

The Defense Department has already asked for $7.5 billion to train 134,000 more Afghan soldiers and 96,800 policemen for fiscal year 2010. Thank God we elected Obama, huh? No telling what McCain would be asking for. The only thing is that, I thought Obama heard what we were asking him for? We were asking for an end to this. Ive seen all the LBJ dreams where victory is at hand, and you know what? I dont give a shit about victory because victory is but a days headline, while death for a mothers son is permanent.

How is it the Taliban fighting against guided missiles and predator drones with spy satellites and helicopter gun ships can always fill their ranks? Where is the Taliban getting their $7.5 billion to train their troops? Is this a war of liberation or a war of subjugation or just a plain old-fashioned civil war? What are our goals here? What constitutes victory and how much blood will ever be enough?

Im living in a nation that is laying off policemen, where city and state workers are being furloughed and forced to wait for the pay that theyve already earned. A country that has billions for policemen, on the other side of the world, in a country that doesnt want us there and a country that doesnt matter to me one whit. It's a country with a long and storied history of fighting foreign invaders until they wise up and leave on their own.

There comes a time when reality must seep into the argument, a time when the high water mark has been reached. Inside the Pentagon and the halls of Congress, there needs to resound the message that American mothers did not raise their children to fight and die in Afghanistan to free it from itself.

We are currently in the greatest economic malady in a century; we can no longer pretend to be the world's rich uncle. We can no longer ignore the needs our own people for the geopolitical desires of the Pentagon, the State Department, and Exxon. This will go on until we make them stop. The US was mired in Vietnam for a decade, and before the Pentagon's current plans come to fruition we will be in Afghanistan for a decade as well, with Iraq following right behind.

How far must Johnny march? How long will Johnny be gone? How many more flags will we need on Memorial Day? How many more hospital beds and prosthetic limbs? How many more jail cells for the Johnnys who come home with battle-damaged minds?

But dont you worry and dont you fret, your government will find the money for more soldiers. Theyll debate cash for clunkers and they will rail about how healthcare reform will bankrupt the Treasury, but well find the money for war! As Secretary Gates put it, we need to make "additional tough choices." Will we fight permanent wars to achieve goals which profit the few while ignoring the many?

"In February and March, Obama pledged 17,000 additional U.S. ground troops and 4,000 trainers, all of whom will be on station by the end of September," said Major John Redfield, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command. "There are 63,000 U.S. troops and 40,500 non-U.S. NATO forces in Afghanistan, the highest number since the war to oust the Taliban regime began in 2001."

The politicians will argue that if we were to leave the whole world would fall apart. I heard that story, too, when we left Vietnam, but it never happened. How far must Johnny march?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 09:50 AM
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1. Who are you referring to here?
There is a ruling clique ensconced in the capital with a president who struts in robes and sashes while his crooked family members loot the treasury.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:00 AM
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2. Karzai affectionately referred to as The Gucci Revolutionary
"President Karzai of Afghanistan provoked international outrage yesterday with draconian Taleban-era restrictions on women and laws that explicitly sanction marital rape.

A leaked copy of the laws obtained by The Times details new strictures for Afghanistans Shia minority. Women are banned from leaving the home without permission. A wife has the absolute duty to provide sexual services to her husband, and child marriage is legalised."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:08 AM
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3. Thanks for clarifying. That's a good depiction of Karzai. He's not so
well loved there anymore.

As for us, I'm hoping something happens before 2012 with our troops there, like we leave. I don't know what will happen.
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Daveparts still Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 10:12 AM
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4. He never was loved
he was amenable and available, dutiful and good a taking orders.

The western spelling of his name is Q-u-i-s-l-i-n-g
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 03:36 PM
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5. Johnny must march where there is oil

It's always been about the oil.
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Lost Jaguar Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 04:01 PM
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6. Let's arrange a screening in the White House...
...of John Huston's film, "The Man Who Would Be King." Or, more pertinently, "The Beast," a profound movie about the Soviet's turn at Afghanistan. Vanity, always vanity. Alexander left, the British left (several times), the Soviets left, and eventually the U.S. will leave. And the mountains and the rivers and the snow leopards and the bandits and the impoverished people will remain. Afghanistan is a colonial construct, a fiction recognized by the West but not by many of its residents. It's all about the pipeline, and pacifying Baluchistan.

If our overlords would come clean and speak frankly of the real reasons for this imperialist adventurism, I'd have a little more respect for them. Just a little. But I still wouldn't agree with them.
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