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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 03:23 PM
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Obama press conference: Evasions and lies on plan to slash health care for workers
HR676, Medicare for all, is the only way to go.

House Resolution (H.R.) 676
The United States National Health Insurance Act
(“Expanded & Improved Medicare for ALL”)

Sponsored by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH)

(F)ew Americans are aware that there is a bill in Congress RIGHT NOW that will change all that and actually create a single-payer national health insurance system for all in the United States simply by expanding and improving Medicare, one of the best and most efficient medical managements systems in the world. This new improved and expanded Medicare will cover everybody and everything including prescription drugs, dental care, nursing home care and much, much more at prices that we can all afford. There will be no more expensive co-pays or deductibles. Exclusions for pre-existing conditions will be a thing of the past. No American will ever again be forced into bankruptcy because of health care debt. The bill is called House Resolution (H.R.) 676. It's what we've all been waiting for and if we all join hands and get behind it, IT WILL PASS!

http://www.hr676.org/

Obama press conference: Evasions and lies on plan to slash health care for workers

By Patrick Martin
23 July 2009


President Obama’s press conference Wednesday night was an hour-long effort to conceal from the American people the sweeping impact of the cuts in medical benefits that will be imposed in his administration’s planned restructuring of the US health care system.

With major health care bills proceeding through both the House and the Senate, and the White House engaged in detailed negotiations with congressional Democrats and Republicans, Obama focused his opening statement on the issue and nearly every question from the White House press corps followed suit.

The opening statement made only one mention of the 47 million people now without health insurance, and did not repeat Obama’s election campaign promises of universal coverage. Instead, he spoke almost exclusively about the need to slash spending on medical care, particularly on the federal Medicare and Medicaid programs which underwrite health care for the elderly, the disabled and the poor.

“The biggest driving force behind our federal deficit is the skyrocketing cost of Medicare and Medicaid,” he said. “So let me be clear: If we do not control these costs, we will not be able to control our deficit.”

“I have also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade, and I mean it,” he added, pointing to a plan to “create an independent group of doctors and medical experts who are empowered to eliminate waste and inefficiency in Medicare on an annual basis.”

As always is the case in a US presidential press conference, Obama was addressing two basic audiences—the ruling elite and the general population. But rarely have the messages being delivered been so fundamentally at odds. Obama combined vague promises of improvements in health care for the American people with direct pledges to the financial aristocracy that his plan would cut health care spending.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/obam-j23.shtml
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 03:48 PM
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1. An unbiased opinion from the World Socialist Web Site.
:sarcasm:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 03:51 PM
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2. Americans deserve the same health care Congress and the Prez gets
anything less is bullshit!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 04:27 PM
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5. How about Democrats.com?
At last night's press conference on healthcare, President Obama shocked the media with a very inconvenient truth:

"I want to cover everybody. Now, the truth is that, unless you have a single-payer system, in which everybody is automatically covered, then you're probably not going to reach every single individual."

So why won't our elected Democrats in Washington fight for a single-payer system that will cover everyone? Especially when it's the only system that will actually save money by eliminating 30% in utterly wasted overhead from greedy insurance giants?

A dedicated group of 86 Democrats are fighting for single-payer ( H.R. 676 ), and they need our help today.

The battle over single-payer is in the House Energy & Commerce Committee (E&C). The committee was supposed to vote on Rep. Anthony Weiner's single-payer amendment on Monday, but chairman Henry Waxman keeps postponing the vote because it might pass - just like the Kucinich Amendment for a single-payer state option passed on July 17 by a shocking 25-19 bi-partisan majority.

http://www.democrats.com/friday-key-vote-on-single-payer-healthcare

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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 03:56 PM
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3. ... I don't know about the 'truthiness' of the article ...
... but I came away from that Presser feeling like Prez O was trying to convince himself that the shit sandwich we're all gonna get served is actually gonna be a good thing.

He wasn't his usual self ... he seemed off-stride or distracted.


:shrug:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 03:59 PM
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4. Who has Obama met from the health industry? He won't release the names!
The last few days have seen extensive press reporting on the millions in campaign contributions from the health profiteers to leading congressional Democrats like Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus. At the same time, the Obama administration has refused to release the names of top health care company CEOs and lobbyists who have been visiting the White House to ensure the legislation is drafted to their satisfaction.

Where is the transparency that was promised during the campaign? Why the same secrecy that Cheney had with his energy taskforce?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 04:32 PM
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6. There is LBN story that supports what WSWS said on Obama's lack of transparency
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3980623

Source: Los Angeles Times

White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

Citing an argument used by the Bush administration, the Secret Service rejects a request from a watchdog group to list those who have visited the White House to discuss the healthcare overhaul.

By Peter Nicholas
July 22, 2009

Reporting from Washington -- Invoking an argument used by President George W. Bush, the Obama administration has turned down a request from a watchdog group for a list of health industry executives who have visited the White House to discuss the massive healthcare overhaul.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Secret Service asking about visits from 18 executives representing health insurers, drug makers, doctors and other players in the debate. The group wants the material in order to gauge the influence of those executives in crafting a new healthcare policy.

The Secret Service sent a reply stating that documents revealing the frequency of such visits were considered presidential records exempt from public disclosure laws. The agency also said it was advised by the Justice Department that the Secret Service was within its rights to withhold the information because of the "presidential communications privilege."

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics said it would file suit against the Obama administration as early as today. The group already has sued the administration over its failure to release details about visits from coal industry executives.

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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:35 PM
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8. This is disingenuous too Obama said he would release names
and said the media already had names.

Maybe not EVERY name

but for the meetings he allowed the press in and they took photos of the people.

Frankly, I have no serious problem with this. Obama is crafting compromises that are breathtaking and that we could never have imagined a year ago.

I suppose you are maybe a Green who feels that Bush equalled Gore too?

Thats a question
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 05:53 PM
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17. I support HR676, Medicare for all
introduced by John Conyers and Dennis Kucinich.

Don't become a sucker for the health industry!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:42 PM
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9. I kinda got the same feeling you did, Myrina. Except President Obama is so good at
Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 08:43 PM by bertman
'splainin' that by the end of the health care questions I was pretty much convinced his plan was a good one. Now reading this article I am reminded of all the statements he made that were kind of "Huh??!!"-inducing.

This whole process of keeping single-payer and public-option off the table has pissed me off from day one. Honestly, I thought from the git-go that we had no chance of getting single payer done; however, I was very surprised to see the whole enchilada given to the health insurance reps, lobbyists, and Congresscritters SO BLATANTLY.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:19 PM
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7. I find these assertions completely ridiculous (well almost completely)
I listened to the conferene carefully and I have many issues with the plan. i support single payer with a deduction like ss and medicaid/medicare - employer-employee contribution and a percentage of income as a tax (maybe 1%) acorss all income categories. That would be a start and is an example not an end goal.

But Obama was VERY clear that 98% of peope would be covered and those who were not would be penalized if they get ill or need services which the rest of us have to pay for (a net gain for the ill/injured person because cost will surely cost much more than a penalty or deductible).

He also said that we would all get a plan like Congress's plan and options.

i think it looks like a REALLY good proposal compared to inetia which this Trotskyite seems to prefer.

I think the author is full of a lot of shyte and I wonder that his writing sounds MUCH more like a right winger than a leftist (and I am pretty close to being a trotskyite myself, if it wasn't so murky a business with these labels.

Doesn't the right fund these "opposition" socialist groups anyway?

Or maybe just this author.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:15 AM
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10. You're entitled to your opinion, as is IndianaGreen
... so I'm not sure why you're being so hostile towards IG's posting of this article.

:shrug:
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:26 AM
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11. It's Not the article
it is who the article is about. It doesn't say the good things they want to hear so they must be lies. The world condems the Hondurean coup and cuts off aid except for the US. The Congress works on the Employee free choice act and the Democrats drop the card check provision. It's tough when you find out that you've been lied to and so they turn on the messenger
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:59 AM
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14. The problem is that the article itself is false on its face in some aspects
It strikes me as blather for the most part altho, frankly, i am glad it is being raised.

unfortunately Trotskyites and the SWSW are not the best or most credible proponents of these positions because they are so much on the fringe and few will take them seriously.

My problem really is with the author, not IG. I think it is worthy of debate on the issues.

But in the same sentences that the author says Obama is Lying he lies himself which is a bullshit argument.

I support the Kucinich effort wholeheartedly. I just have no confidence that Obama will get that much nor will congress support it.

That is not to say it is not a worthy effort...

It is just seriously undermined by the author's misrepresentations and hyperbole.

I did a search, btw, of this author's writing and he is an ally of Global Research and Michel Chossudovsky, who is an interesting fellow to day the least.

Much of his work is really quite good and he is in the camp which ays basically that Obama is an imperialist flunky for big oil.

Could that be true?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:18 AM
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12. So how do you feel about the bigoted aspects of the bill
that are designed to make sure GLBT families are not treated equally? Is that part of what you like, or just something that is fine with you if you save a buck? By picking my pocket? If you are not fine with that, then why are you not raising holy hell about it, and instead simply taking your seat at the front of the bus and engaging in name calling to those who do not want to support the bigotry you are so easy to accept?
You support the unequal treatment of minorities who are not approved by the Faith Based Office. Why is that?
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:51 AM
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13. I don't even believe there is a bill yet, but I support GLBT equality. Got links?
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 09:51 AM by Liberation Angel
Maybe if you provided info on this I could respond but your assertion is ridiculous.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:21 AM
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15. All the various 'reforms' being discussed intentionally
use hetero-specific language to exclude GLBT families from being treated as families. They are specifically excluding couples in legal civil unions from equal status with other couples. The rates for this plan are supposed to be figured by household income, and lower income subsidies are to be figured by family. My own Congressman can not answer the question " Am I single?" under the proposals. Are we a family? A household? Strangers? Do we owe less under the plan than our counterparts, or more? Tax breaks and subsidies for families. But what is a family, and why use the already bigoted tax code without reforming that? Why?
Do you see how confusing it is?
If it was single payer for all, the bigotry of the heterosexual community would not be endangering the survival of my family.
You do understand that we are denied basic human rights in this country, don't you? Or is that another silly assertion, and we should just go to Vegas and get married?
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:00 PM
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16. Okay -- I do understand this
I get your beef with this and am on your side.

I do not support such bigotry and discrimination and it should be fixed in the bill.
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