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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:22 PM
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Monsanto's dream bill, HR 875 (Organic Farms in Danger)
Monsanto's dream bill, HR 875

by Linn Cohen-Cole

To begin reversing GM contamination will require ending the power biotech companies such as Monsanto exert over our government and through that, over our food.

HR 875, was introduced by Rosa DeLauro whose husband Stanley Greenburg works for Monsanto.

The bill is monstrous on level after level - the power it would give to Monsanto, the criminalization of seed banking, the prison terms and confiscatory fines for farmers, the 24 hours GPS tracking of their animals, the easements on their property to allow for warrantless government entry, the stripping away of their property rights, the imposition by the filthy, greedy industrial side of anti-farming international "industrial" standards to independent farms - the only part of our food system that still works, the planned elimination of farmers through all these means.

The corporations want the land, they want more intensive industrialization, they want the end of normal animals so they can substitute patented genetically engineered ones they own, they want the end of normal seeds and thus of seed banking by farmers or individuals. They want control over all seeds, animals, water, and land.


Our farmers are good stewards. That is who is threatened by Rosa DeLauro's bill (and because of that, we all are). At a time in this country when wise stewardship and the production of anything real - especially good food - is what is most needed, it is our best stewards whom Rosa DeLauro threatens, under the cruelly false name of "food safety."

And now Monsanto wants its own employee, Michael Taylor - the man who forced genetically engineered rBGH on us (unlabeled so us, unaware) when the Clintons placed him over "food safety" in the 90s - back in government, this time to act with massive police power as a "food safety tsar" from inside the White House. HR 875 would give him immense power over what is done on every single farm in the country and massive police state power to wield over farmers and punishments to break them at will.

more
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-s-dream-bill-HR-by-Linn-Cohen-Cole-090309-337.html

We have a real chance to get this bill dropped from committee, as the head of the Energy and Commerce Committee is Congressman Democrat Henry Waxman.

Please call his office immediately and let them know your feelings on the matter and please tell them that you "disapprove" of HR875.

His office is located at:

8436 West Third Street, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90048
(323) 651-1040 (phone)
(818) 878-7400 (phone)
(310) 652-3095 (phone)
(323) 655-0502 (fax)
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:26 PM
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1. thanks
my calls will begin on Monday. I will also take this to central committee and work to stop it from that side. Our county is very organic and fought down Monsanto when we passed GMO FREE.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:37 PM
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4. thank you...
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 01:45 PM by grassfed
I think this caught the Organic Food Community off guard. I haven't seen a well planned petition or protest strategy. Euphoria Loves Rawvolution raw food restaurant in Santa Monica CA had an action meting yesterday. This is their announcement...


-COMMUNITY ACTION ALERT
There is an important challenge facing the nation this week around universal access to healthy food. The cafe tries to avoid getting involved in politics, but we feel it is our duty to keep our community informed about issues around access to organic food quality. There is a bill in committee right now called HR875, The Food Safety Modernization Bill. This bill essentially illegalizes organic farming both for the average person and big business. It seems bizarre but it is underconsideration by committee. If approved by the House Energy and Commerce committee among others, it will go to the full House and Senate for a vote.

We have a real chance to get this bill dropped from committee, as the head of the Energy and Commerce Committee is our very own Congressman Democrat Henry Waxman.

Please call his office immediately and let them know your feelings on the matter and please tell them that you "disapprove" of HR875.

His office is located at:

8436 West Third Street, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90048
(323) 651-1040 (phone)
(818) 878-7400 (phone)
(310) 652-3095 (phone)
(323) 655-0502 (fax)

Here are a couple of links to provide more info.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-s-dream-bill-HR-by-Linn-Cohen-Cole-090309-337.html

http://ecochildsplay.com/2009/03/10/could-the-food-safety-modernization-act-of-2009-be-the-end-to-farmers-markets-and-organic-farms/

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-875

Euphoria Loves Rawvolution: 2301 Main Street Santa Monica, CA 90405
2301 Main Street
Santa Monica, CA 90405
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:31 AM
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40. The only thing that caught us off guard is the concentrated Opposition coming from some schills
working for Big Agribusiness.

It all started overnight, and the same op ed hase been circulation for weeks.

Hate to say it, but the original posters name, Grassfed, is a little fishy.

This bill reigns in the complete lack of accountability ConAgra, General Mills, Kraft, Hersheys, and all the other synthefood producers that would actually need to keep track of their ingredients.

Big Ag is scared to death by this bill, and they are doing another push to sucker in people that won't bother the read the Bill and believe the lies being spread.

Don't fall for it.

Remember, Sodium Fluoride was good for you at one time...
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:18 AM
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49. Monstrous stuff.
k & r
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:25 AM
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39. Please read the Bill and talk to a real organic farmer before you take this propaganda too seriously
When you read it, you will see that none of the claims made actually deal with the Bill.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:33 AM
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62. Update post --
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:30 PM
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2. Great post, we've been talking about this for awhile now....
As far as I'm concerned it needs wider discussion.
This bill is insane.
Animals that are patented?

That's plain nuts.

If there was a Republican in the White House right now, this bill would sail through and we would all be surely fucked.
Makes you think about that "elections have consequences" thing in a whole new light.

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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:33 AM
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41. If republicans were in the White House, this Bill would not exist
You are right, people need to read the bill. It will take all of 30 minutes.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:32 PM
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3. I believe all of the hysteria over this has been debunked.....
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:37 PM
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5. more info please?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:02 PM
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11. could you post some links to the debunking.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:31 PM
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12. here you go
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:32 PM
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14. what are this person's credentials?
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:01 PM
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21. I am right here
I can answer any questions you may have. (assuming you are referring to me)

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:05 PM
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67. OK.
What's the square root of 17??

:evilgrin:
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:42 AM
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44. His interpretation and writing paralells mine.
The truth is in the accurate description of the Bill.

I cannot speak for his credentials, but I am an Organic farmer, and I agree with the review.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:57 PM
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83. thanks Grinchie
I work with hundreds of small farmers, including organic growers, and I freelance as a writer, photographer, researcher and consultant. I also do political work promoting the Democratic party in farming areas, including a big project during the last midterms that helped turn hundreds of rural counties in the Midwest Dem for the first time in decades. Such income as I get is from small family growers for freelance work, and no one controls what I say. In my work, I have had the opportunity to learn a great deal about politics in agriculture, and I talk regularly with the reps and their staffers on farming issues. Other areas I am knowledgeable about and have some expertise in are nutrition, harvest and storage issues, heirloom fruit varieties, agricultural tourism, fruit tree management, toxicology and many other areas.

I am an outspoken socialist and a defender of family farmers.


...
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:56 AM
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57. I took a look at the review of the bill
and it looks good, except for placing the Center for Veterinary Medicine into the new Food Safety Administration. This center not only regulates veterinary medicines for farm animals, it also regulates veterinary medicines for pets. Currently, pet medicines are regulated in a manner similar to human drugs. Would this be true under the new administration?
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:39 PM
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69. You think this clears up all of the questions?
Not for me, it doesn't.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:50 PM
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72. no
I wouldn't imagine that it clears up all of the questions. Far from it. The important questions haven't even been asked. I am addressing the questions that the right wing fear campaign raises.

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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:36 PM
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15. your thoughts on Monsanto ties?
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:05 PM
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23. Monsanto is bad
Edited on Sun Mar-22-09 07:07 PM by Two Americas
What does this bill have to do with Monsanto?

None of the corporate agri-business giants are supporting this bill. Some of the most progressive members of Congress are.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:35 AM
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53. Yes And some of the most progresssive members of Congress
KILLED ME LAST FALL! They passed the Shawn Bentley Orphaned WOrks act at 9:00 PM that Fri. night when all were focused on the economic crisis, and Congress stayed late working on it! The House passed it through the next day a (Saturday!)
Until 1977 I had to send paperwork and $10.00 to the Fed copyright office, for every new design/piece of artwork, so that if it was copied and profited from by another I could sue them. ( In fact I had to go to court in the 70's, because a wallpaper design I had done was EXACTLY like one by another company & copyrighted! It was an honest mistake of synchronicity, ( "great minds", tune into the trends...and I didn't even pick the colors it was to be printed in, my boss did. It took me 5 dumbstruck jaw dropped moments to be able to even recognize and distinguish my familiar brushstroke from the other!) Because their copyright was earlier, my boss lost the right to print the design, and all the costs he had paid out, to me and for the color separations and rollers cut.
In the late 70's Sen Kennedy got that changed so the c within a circle on the artwork was legal basis for lawsuit, without a filing fee.
Now after 15 or 20 years of shrinking client base, because the newly greedy sleazy business owners, PROFIT first uber alles,instead of paying professionals a proper fee, ( use a VIctorian print, their 5 year olds first kindergarten drawing, give a design contest for high school kids and award them $25. recognition, and get a cheap logo, illustration what ever)
NOW: beginning in 2012, WE will be required to register our ideas, with NOT THE GOVT, but PRIVATIZED Data bases, may be more than one. THERE IS NO CEILING WRITTEN INTO THE BILL FOR THE FEE INVOLVED! AT THE 1977 FEE of $10.00, I did inventory, and figured out to protect every painting I have in the house, for possible profit by my Grandchildren, I would have to write a check for $1,500,to the database!
Sen Lehy WAS THE SPONSOR OF THIS DISASTER, and and the progressives were on board!
ORWELL, THE devil's in the details.......why I am not commfortable with HR 875!
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:11 AM
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58. Ok.
You have to calm down and be more clear about what you are saying. I am as much a fan of the rant as anyone but come on. Tell us what the law was. What the law became. How it affected you. And most importantly of all you have to tell us how it applies to the discussion in the thread.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 04:02 PM
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85. sure
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 04:03 PM by Two Americas
You won't find me defending the Dems when they cave in to the pressure from the big money people and the right wingers.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:40 AM
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43. Monsanto is basically untouched by this Bill
It is the big food manufacturers that will need to account for where their ingrediants are sourced from. Farms, Orchards Vineyards and others are exempted, and all of this is readily verifiable by reading the first two pages of the Bill.

The ferocity of the attacks indicate that Big Fat Lobby money is fighting to get opinion against this Bill. Don't fall for it.

I'm an Organic farmer, and there is nothing in the Bill that even comes close to the wild claims that breathlessly include Monsanto in the same breath a "Organic Farming Illegal!"

They must think that people are pretty stupid to try and get away with this campaing.

Just do a search on the web and you'll see all these planted propaganda pieces using the same language over and over.

It's all lies from you friendly Corporate masters that see the end of the free lunch coming.

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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:33 AM
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42. Please see the 3 or so threads in Rural Farm
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:42 PM
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6. k&r
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:50 PM
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7. Euphoria Loves Rawvolution
Euphoria Loves Rawvolution blog

http://www.euphorialovesrawvolution.com/
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:44 AM
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45. And who is this Group from Santa Monica?
I can ask the same thing about any group that obviously hasn't bothered to read the text of the Bill for spreading propaganda that only benefits Big Ag by using fear and lies.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:58 PM
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8. I'd like to try again to draw attention to Claire Hope Cummings' book, "Uncertain Peril" ...
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:00 PM
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9. wonder if this has anything to do with the big new Biotech being planned in MN.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 11:23 AM
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66. What are the details of that?
Where's it gonna be?
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 02:01 PM
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10. K&R
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:22 PM
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13. death to monsatan!
Doesn't help that the vile sack of sheet Vilsack (sec of ag.) is a monsatan shill. and rosa de lauro, rep from CT, whose hubby is a monsanto creep. And who knew monsanto was an Israeli company? Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:46 AM
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54. IT IS????????
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 03:52 PM
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16. . .
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 04:23 PM
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17. If the legislature is so interested in food safety,
have they repealed the USDA rule that prohibits the testing of EVERY cow to be slaughtered for mad cow disease? Not that I would ever eat commercial non-organic beef.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:46 AM
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46. That was Bush Administration that did that. Give it time.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:39 PM
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18. Does any body know if Codex Almeritus is still being pushed down
our throats as a law beginning Dec 2009? If true that would explain BigMoneyBigCorp buying up organic whatever for more hugh profits. Only the well off will be able to purchase organics. Makes sense that the greedy SOB's would control the organic markets as well. HA! The greed of it all. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:41 PM
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19. absolutely absurd
We went all over this here about a week ago. This is a very progressive bill - exactly the sort of legislation we all were hoping for when we worked to get Democrats elected - and has absolutely nothing to do with "Monsanto." Kaptur, Nadler and other progressive members are supporting this bill.

Beware right wing propaganda masquerading as "organic" and what-not.

For those who want to actually read the bill -

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h875/text
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:55 AM
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56. That's NOT THE BILL.......
Just the table of contents!........
If it is so great......where's Dennis Kucinich who is NOT a co sponsor?
Reps. Michaud & Pingree from Maine are NOT co sponsors either..........
Michaud may be on the bluedogs list, but I get a megavote e-mail on all my legislators votes and his are 99% on the side of the light! ( progressive) He co-sponsored the Impeach cheney sct!
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 06:53 PM
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20. item by item
Myths and Facts: H.R. 875 The Food Safety Modernization Act

MYTH: H.R. 875 "makes it illegal to grow your own garden" and would result in the "criminalization of the backyard gardener."

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would regulate, penalize, or shut down backyard gardens. This bill is focused on ensuring the safety of foods sold in supermarkets.

MYTH: H.R. 875 would mean a "goodbye to farmers markets" because the bill would "require such a burdensome complexity of rules, inspections, licensing, fees, and penalties for each farmer who wishes to sell locally - a fruit stand, at a farmers market."

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would result in farmers markets being regulated, penalized any fines, or shut down. Farmers markets would be able to continue to flourish under the bill. In fact, the bill would insist that imported foods meet strict safety standards to ensure that unsafe imported foods are not competing with locally-grown foods.

MYTH: H.R. 875 would result in the "death of organic farming."

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would stop organic farming. The National Organic Program (NOP) is under the jurisdiction of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA). The Food Safety Modernization Act only addresses food safety issues under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

MYTH: The bill would implement a national animal ID system.

FACT: There is no language in the bill that would implement a national animal ID system. Animal identification issues are under the jurisdiction of the USDA. The Food Safety Modernization Act addresses issues under the jurisdiction of the FDA.

MYTH: The bill is supported by the large agribusiness industry.

FACT: No large agribusiness companies have expressed support for this bill. This bill is being supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods (Barbara Lee, etc.). Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups, including:

* Center for Foodborne Illness Research & Prevention
* Center for Science in the Public Interest
* Consumer Federation of America
* Consumers Union
* Food & Water Watch
* The Pew Charitable Trusts
* Safe Tables Our Priority
* Trust for Americas Health

MYTH: The bill will pass the Congress next week without amendments or debate.

FACT: Food safety legislation has yet to be considered by any Congressional committee.

http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy-eating/blogs/healthy-food/organic-farming-440320604
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 05:00 AM
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50. All your food are belong to us
Trilateral Commission
Freemasons
New World Order
Bilderberg Group
Illuminati


Don't let them fluoridate your water!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:35 AM
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59. I only drink rainwater and grain alcohol
I take care of my precious bodily fluids.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:03 PM
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22. from Food and Water Watch
Here are a few things that H.R. 875 DOES do:

- It addresses the most critical flaw in the structure of FDA by splitting it into 2 new agencies one devoted to food safety and the other devoted to drugs and medical devices.

- It increases inspection of food processing plants, basing the frequency of inspection on the risk of the product being produced but it does NOT make plants pay any registration fees or user fees.

- It does extend food safety agency authority to food production on farms, requiring farms to write a food safety plan and consider the critical points on that farm where food safety problems are likely to occur.

- It requires imported food to meet the same standards as food produced in the U.S.

And just as importantly, here are a few things that H.R. 875 does NOT do:

- It does not cover foods regulated by the USDA (beef, pork, poultry, lamb, catfish.)
- It does not establish a mandatory animal identification system.
- It does not regulate backyard gardens.
- It does not regulate seed.
- It does not call for new regulations for farmers markets or direct marketing arrangements.
- It does not apply to food that does not enter interstate commerce (food that is sold across state lines).
- It does not mandate any specific type of traceability for FDA-regulated foods (the bill does instruct a new food safety agency to improve traceability of foods, but specifically says that recordkeeping can be done electronically or on paper.)

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/foodsafety/background-on-h-r-875
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 07:53 PM
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24. Thank you very much.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:00 PM
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25. the bill is a long way from perfect
But this anti-regulation, anti-government, anti-inspection libertarianism masquerading as "organic" or "anti-Monsanto" is pure poison. Right wingers have infiltrated and are hijacking the organic movement.

I am talking to Marci Kaptur on this. I trust her.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:35 PM
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27. thanks for the info.
I think people are just so naturally (and rightfully) suspicious of the power that evil food products corporations like Monsanto, ADM, and Viterra have over lobbying Congress, that they suspect that any food or farm bill must somehow benefit these corporations. Nice to see that some in Congress don't bow down too low to these corrupt companies.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:16 PM
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29. thanks for the info
your points seem valid.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:31 PM
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30. riddled with right wingers
The organic and natural foods movements are now riddled with right wingers. I work in the field and know all of the players. Ron Paul and other extreme libertarians are pushing these anti-government scare campaigns. I have done dozens of radio shows with them, met and talked with Paul and his allies and cohorts.

Right wingers and libertarians are effortlessly hijacking the organic and natural food cause. Throw the word "Monsanto" around and liberals will follow you anywhere. The right wingers goal is NO food safety inspection or regulation.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:45 PM
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31. I regret posting about this . . .
but maybe the conversation was beneficial. My local raw food restaurant is an unlikely source for a right wing campaign but it's not unlike the Liberals who became Libertarians when the Silicon Valley bubble started.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:12 PM
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34. oh, no worries, grassfed
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 12:11 AM by Two Americas
It is really a mess. I was involved in a massive fight between family farmers and the FDA, and was steeped in it for two years and met all of the players and untied the tangled webs. I was surprised to find so many right wingers lurking around behind this. They crank out these fear campaigns through various "natural foods" fronts, and organic advocates innocently latch onto them and spread them around.

They are getting really brazen. Look at this campaign. The bill in question has nothing to do with Monsanto, nothing to do with animal tagging, nothing to do with organic, and nothing to do with home gardens. What it does do is this: it starts rebuilding the public health and safety infrastructure, and restoring inspections and regulations - all of which the Republicans have been dismantling since Reagan.

However, the right wingers know that if they talk about "Monsanto" and organic and small scale animal keeping and home gardening that will fool liberals into supporting their campaign. Those are "hot buttons" for liberals - home gardening, small animals, Monsanto is evil, and organic food - so they just throw those words into their messages willy nilly, even though they have nothing to do with this bill, and sure enough, a bunch of liberals start spreading a right wing program of anti-government and anti-regulation advocacy all over the Internet.


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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #31
48. This is a lesson to actually do your homework and don't get unwittingly
recruited to spread a smear campaign.

We all have to watch out for Wolves in Sheeps clothing. Now more than ever.

I do recomend reviewing DU and seeing that we don't have to debunk this same story over and over and over again because it is posted repeated, using the same old talking points.

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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:56 AM
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47. They are also hijacking DU in attempts to win converts.
These liars don't give a damn about food safety, organic farmers and the struggles we have.

Everyone that parrots the Monsanto line has not read the Bill. Nor do they actively farm Organic food other than fas a Hobby, because if they did, they would know that we are under more regulatory control than any farmer using Generally Accepted Agricultural Practices, which is scrape, spray, plant, spray, spray, harvest. Organic farmers can't get loans if they use traditional agriforestry technique that have been proven for centuries.

If you want a good read on how Big Ag destroys the family farmer, check out the Omnivores Dillema. They is a chapter that describes the progresion of losing biodiversity, animals and alternative crop and a move toward Corn fenceline to fenceline. The farmers if they grew other crops wouldn't have any buyer, because all they have is a Corn silo in the towns. They have totally dismantled the packing houses and driven people out of town. It's a pretty scary book actually.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 08:31 PM
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26. K & R!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 09:50 PM
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28. This plan has been in the works for decades
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:19 AM
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37. not it hasn't
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 12:19 AM by Two Americas
You are promoting a right wing false flag propaganda campaign.

The Future of Food video has nothing to so with this bill.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:47 AM
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64. Right wing?? The future of food is all about Monsanto's desire to control
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 10:49 AM by Lorien
our food supply. WTF is "right wing" about alerting people to that fact???

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:53 PM
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73. you aren't following
This has nothing to do with Monsanto.

The right wingers know that if they say "Monsanto" some people will then stop thinking and react emotionally. In that way, they are getting liberals to spread their anti-government, anti-public safety, anti-inspection propaganda.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 10:54 PM
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32. This bill is jawdroppingly disgusting. nt
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:16 AM
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36. no it is not
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 12:17 AM by Two Americas
It is quite progressive, though not perfect. None of the big agri-business corporations support it, and some very progressive reps and organizations do.

Please learn about this before you jump to conclusions. The right wingers are fighting this, and are introducing false flag propaganda into the organic community.

This bill is a first step in turning back decades of de-regulation by the Republicans, and to restore the public agriculture infrastructure to protect the public and reign in the corporations. The opposition to it is right wing anti-government anti-regulation people.


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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:53 AM
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55. ok - I will reserve judgment until I get new info...
I skimmed the info and did jump to conclusions about something in which I am not well informed. Happy to hear more if you could link a post that you put up with the appropriate info.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:07 PM
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74. read the bill
Read the bill. I posted a link to it.

Then call the staffs of Kaptur, Barbara Lee, Nadler and other Dem reps listed as the cosponsors of the bill. Call Senator Durbin's office.

Read the history of the New Deal regarding agriculture and regulation of food and farming for background and context.

The Democrats - and there is nor bigger left wing critic of them than I am - are trying to restore the public health infrastructure that the Republicans have been dismantling.


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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:49 PM
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71. I found a post last night where Kellogg's inferred support
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:12 PM
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75. Kellogg's
Kellogg is the major funder in Michigan for organic and sustainable farming efforts and research.

Food company executives with a brain in their head know that food safety regulation is needed.

I am not saying this makes them the good guys, but rather that going after them is not smart, and assuming that because they are a bog company therefore anything they say we must take the opposite position. There is a lot of public pressure on them because of the recent crisis. If they are expressing support for increased regulation and inspection, then that is good. Sure it is PR on their part, but whatever.
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:10 PM
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33. K&R n/t
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 11:29 PM
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35. Here is another DU thread from one week ago that has a more measured reaction.
From the poster: "As an organic farmer, I'm as anti-Monsanto and agribusiness as the next old hippie, but I think we need to be careful about where we're placing our outrage, so that it actually does some good. Interesting stuff!"

The post has some good info from interested parties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5253290

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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:37 AM
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38. K and R and Geeze. Was there somethign liek this already happening in Canada?
Edited on Mon Mar-23-09 01:47 AM by pam4water
I think I remeber reading about it in Jane Goodall's "Harvest for Hope".
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AlexDeLarge Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:46 AM
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51. Brawndo
It's what plants crave.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 06:53 AM
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52. Bullshit. Organic farms not threatened. We DO need this new agency to oversee food safety.
These mass emailings about the bill are extremely deceptive and amazingly well coordinated. As an organic farmer myself, I can tell you I thoroughly resent being used and abused by the people who created them. There is no threat in this bill for us. It's a weird, mirror campaign in which you are urged to take action that will achieve the opposite of what you want. This bill doesn't help Big Agribusiness - it's a big step toward reining them in. Protesting it won't take a swipe at Monsanto - it will hand them our food supply on a plate. With fries.

Splitting the job of food safety between the FDA and the USDA has been a train wreck. The failures of both agencies to protect our food supply have been scandalous case studies in incompetence and outright malfeasance. (eg: reacting to the discovery of Mad Cow in a US cow by decreasing the number of cows tested for the disease.)

Furthermore, there has long been a revolving door between both agencies and the companies whose activities they are supposed to oversee. As the same officials drift back and forth, regulations protecting consumers have been gutted or eliminated.

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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 09:47 AM
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60. I don't think we need a new agency. There are 11 agencies other than the FDA
whose mission is to monitor food safety.

Furthermore the Obama Administration is committed to overhauling the FDA.

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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:08 AM
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61. And with all those agencies is the food supply safe?
No.

And the FDA only has a piece of the pie. Some of the greatest problems lie in areas the FDA has no authority over.

We need to either put ALL food safety issues in one new agency or create an umbrella agency that will coordinate and oversee the activities of all these little fiefdoms. And that, as a matter of fact, is pretty much exactly what Obama said he would do:

"Obama announced the creation of a Food Safety Working Group, which will include the secretaries of health and agriculture, to advise him on which laws and regulations need to be changed, to foster coordination across federal agencies and to ensure that laws are enforced."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6311645.html
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 04:01 PM
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84. yes
This is probably the best approach, and has wide support among progressives.

But the point is this - now that we have Democrats in office, we are trying to restore and rebuild the public infrastructure that the Republicans have destroyed, and start regulating and inspecting food production again.


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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 07:44 PM
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88. A Food Safety Working Group is not the proposed FSA - a good thing
I maintain that yet another bureaucracy is not the answer.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:48 PM
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70. I agree, the disinformation campaign has no basis in fact
Coordinated and on topic, always to promote a catastrophic scenario if Bill 875 were to ever pass.

You seem to have come to the same conclusion I have--The campaign is designed to malign the Bill at any cost, and is quite effective at first glance.

When I read the bill, I could not see why they needed to move testing and analysis to HHS, but after review, it makes perfect sense. We all know that FDA has been infected by Big Pharma and Big Ag for many years. The focus on slamming drugs through the approval process has developed a culture of insiders feeding off the system.

As far as HHS taking over, I wondered about how they could accomplish this, until I read the text of HR 875. It proposes that the testing labs that do food testing are transferred out of FDA into HHS. This make total sense to me, as it would most likely streamline the detection of foodborne illnesses as outbreaks occur.

What is disturbing is that they are spamming this crap everywhere, and we will soon be overwhelmed buy the weight of their well funded disinformation campaign against 875.

Sad to say, there are many people who won't be bothered to read the bill, which is quite clear and concise, read the headline on the disinformation propaganda, watch one of the hundreds of links on the YouTube to show numerous, professional looking "Independant" Vloggers espousing how bad the Bill is.

The trouble is that I have never seen these people before! Many of the sites that are running the disinformation are not in my favorites, and I follow food policy like a hawk. The whole thing stinks like a rotten fish, and I feel your frustration.

I do have other work to do than to defend good policy from a bunch of pathological liars, and the Opposition to HR 875 is just that, a bunch of liars.

I see this same sort of disinformation by supporters of the Hawai'i Superferry, which is owned by big military profiteers and investors. They are attacking the Sierra Club because they took it to court and won the case when the Hawai'i Supreme Court found the state erred in bypassing environmental laws. It is an amazing story, and the coordinated effort by the proponent has the same character as the campaign against HR 875. I think the Hawai'i Superferry is unique in that even when the peoples voice finally triumphs, the opponents continue to whine, malign and disrupt the conversations from the real issues.
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Mulehead Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:39 AM
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63. More good info about HR. 875 and other House and Senate Food Bills
Matha Goodsell posted the following to the COMFOOD blog (which is moderated by Tufts University), which is followed by an email from Stacy Miller, Exec. Director of the Farmers Market Coalition:


"Here's my response I've been sending out to those that ask:

Yes I've researched HR 845, but no, not all of what you're reading is true. Here's some research I've done on the food bills. I'm most concerned with Senate bill 510 and House bill 1332. Watch them very closely. The bills are very similar though not conferenced at this point. They are broad sweeping reform bills, just as vague as HR 875 and could be just as, if not more, detrimental to small scale farmers and processors. Unlike HR 875 which exempts some activities which fall under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or the Poultry Products inspection Acts and specifically excludes in section 3.14 any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation, there are no such express exceptions in these other two bills. The record keeping, product testing and HACCP requirements (all electronically of course) would be, in my opinion, overwhelming for most small scale operations. Look what HACCP did to our slaughterhouses-- gone! Any bill that will require one-size rules must be watched intently. These two bills( S510 and HR 1332) have bi-partisan support so don't let them off your radar by any means. Read them for yourself.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-510
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1332


In the meantime, here's my submission to the Broader View Weekly, a small hometown paper, I write for."


Food Safety Bills of 2009

By Martha Goodsell

Internet users are up in arms regarding House Bill 875, the Food Safety Modernization Act, but much of what is circulating over the network is hype and inflated fears. However, thats not to say that HR 875 is not a threat to both small scale and organic farmers and those consumers who support such farms. In its present form, it is a very real- though not a highly probable- threat. HR 875 is not the only food safety bill recently proposed following the peanut butter contamination. There are six other bills that must be monitored.

There are two federal agencies charged with food safety. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) is responsible for wholesome meat and poultry under the guidelines of the Federal Meat Inspection Act (FMIA) and the Poultry Products Inspection Act (PPIA). The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on the other hand, has the responsibility for oversight of manufactured food products, and all those products not under USDA jurisdiction. Unlike the USDA who inspects products and ensures Hazard Analysis Critical Control Points (HACCP) compliance in slaughterhouses and in meat and poultry product processing facilities, the FDA is charged with the annual inspection of manufacturing facilities. Only a few products monitored by the FDA are required to have and follow HACCP plans.

Thanks to Upton Sinclair, and his book The Jungle, the USDA oversight on meat and poultry is much stricter than for other food products currently. Many of these bills are looking to change that, by requiring food manufacturers to have and follow HACCP plans, which includes strict record keeping requirements. Unfortunately HACCP implementation poses a greater obstacle to small plants compared to larger facilities. Thus, the single greatest problem with all of these newly proposed food safety bills are that they are not designed with small and large operations in mind. Rather, they are written with a one-size-fits-all approach. Knowing that many small operations will chose to close their doors, rather than comply with testing, record keeping, and all sorts of other requirements, these bills indirectly interfere with the rights of individuals to choose their foods. This threat of losing small farms and thus ones food choice- is feeding the current hysteria.

To read more about the bills visit http://www.govtrack.us/congress/legislation.xpd. Please contact your Washington representatives to express your support or opposition to the bills. Lets take a look at whats pending:

HR 875 - The Food Safety Modernization Act, sponsored by Rosa Delauro (D- CT) (whose husband works for Monsanto) has 30 co-sponsors at this time. This bill splits the FDA into two units: one which would monitor food and the other to monitor medicinal drugs and medical devices. (The FDA is charged with monitoring both food and drugs so this is only a new approach, not a new duty.) The bill would increase the number - or frequency - of inspections. HR 875 would require HACCP plans. It would also require imports to meet US standards. (Currently as long as a foreign country has an equivalent inspection system, product is accepted with little or no further questions or testing.) HR 875 would establish a national traceability system that would require tracking the history, use, and location of an item of food. Section 3.13A specifically exempts those operations currently under USDA inspection under the FMIA or PPIA acts and section 3.14 exempts any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

S425 - Food Safety and Tracking Improvement Act, sponsored by Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) has no co-sponsors. This senate bill would amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to provide for the establishment of a traceability system so that each article of food shipped in interstate commerce would require a full record keeping system. An audit system would provide for compliance. Premise registration would be mandatory. S425 amends the FMIA so that any person that has reason to believe that any carcass, part of a carcass, meat, or meat food product is inappropriately transported, stored, distributed, or otherwise mis-handled resulting in adulteration or misbranding shall serve notice to the secretary who shall then call on industry to withdraw the product. The PPIA and the Egg Product Inspection Act (EPIA) would be amended in the same fashion.

HR 814 - Tracing and Recalling Agricultural Contamination Everywhere Act, sponsored by Diana DeGette (D-CO) has five co-sponsors. HR 814 would direct the Secretary of Agriculture to establish a traceability system for all stages of manufacturing, processing, packaging, and distribution of food. HR 814 would amend the FMIA by requiring identification and traceability for all cattle, sheep, swine, goats, and horses, mules, and other equines presented for slaughter. Without an identification number, farm records, and the ability to trace an animals movement, such an animal can not be presented for slaughter. The PPIA and the EPIA would be amended to establish similar provisions for poultry and poultry products and for eggs and egg products. It is interesting to note that nothing contained in HR 814 supports Country of Origin Labeling (COOL) requirements.

HR 759- The Food And Drug Administration Globalization Act, sponsored by John Dingell (D- MI) with eight co-sponsors, would require every food facility that manufactures, processes, packs, transports, or holds food for consumption in the United States to develop and implement a HACCP and food safety plan. HR 759 would require that all food facilities use standard lot numbers and that all facilities including food processors, farms and restaurants, keep electronic records. Food facilities must earn an accreditation status. This bill instructs the FDA to establish production standards for fruits and vegetables and to establish Good Agricultural Practices for produce and requiring those that grow and sell fresh fruits and vegetables to have a HACCP plan. COOL would be required. Only certified laboratories could conduct sampling and testing of food to ensure compliance.

S 429 - Ending Agricultural Threats: Safeguarding America's Food for Everyone (EAT SAFE) Act of 2009, sponsored by Senator Robert Casey (D- PA) with only one co-sponsor, focuses on imported and smuggled foods. This bill directs the Secretary of Agriculture to establish food safety and agroterrorism training programs. Notification of recalled food products would be provided to the public while notice of smuggled food products would be reported to the public and to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). This bill amends the FMIA and the PPIA to establish civil penalties for failure to present imported meat and poultry products for inspection and requires the use of federally certified food safety labs for product testing. A food-borne illness education and outreach grant program would be established.

S 510 - A bill to amend the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act with respect to the safety of the food supply sponsored by Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL) has 8 co-sponsors currently. This bill addresses the concerns of government to the use of or exposure to certain foods. If the Secretary of Agriculture believes that there is a reasonable probability that the use of or exposure to an article of food will cause serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals, each person who manufactures, processes, packs, distributes, receives, holds, or imports such article shall provide access to that food article and to all records relating to such article. HACCP and preventive controls would be required for all manufacturers, processors, packers, distributors, receivers, holders, or importers. Safety standards would be established for production and harvesting of fruits and vegetables. All premises would be required to be registered and pay annual inspection fees. The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Agriculture, would facilitate public-private partnerships to help unify and enhance the protection of the agriculture and food system of the United States; including the sharing of information and intelligence relating to agriculture and the food system. The three agencies would identify best practices and methods for improving the coordination among Federal, State, local, and private sector preparedness and response plans for agriculture and food defense and would recommend methods to protect the economy and the public health of the United States from the effects of animal or plant disease outbreaks, food contamination and natural disasters affecting agriculture and food.

HR 1332 - Safe FEAST Act of 2009, sponsored by Jim Costa (D-CA) with 19 cosponsors. This is very similar to the senate bill S 510. All food manufacturers, processes, packers, or those who hold food for sale would be required to be registered. If the Secretary determines that food manufactured, processed, packed, or held by a facility has a reasonable probability of causing serious adverse health consequences or death to humans or animals, the Secretary may suspend the registration of the facility. In addition to having access to records and the product, the Secretary may direct the facility to order a recall. In addition to HACCP plans and record keeping requirements facilities would be required to: follow sanitation procedures, establish hygiene training, establish monitoring programs for environmental pathogen controls, implement an allergen control program, develop a recall contingency plan; follow Good Manufacturing Practices (GMPs); and verify source suppliers. HR 1332 would encourage the building of domestic capacity through coordinated councils which would in part identify potential threats to the food supply and would establish surveillance systems through integrated networks.


----- Original Message -----
From: Melanie Cheng
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected] Cheng
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: FWD: HR 875

Hi there,

Does anyone else have 2 cents on HR 875 and its "slipping through Congress soon"? My mind was somewhat at ease after reading Elizabeth's reply as well as a note from Stacy Miller to the Farmers Market Coalition list (pasted below).

But then I've been bombarded with emails asking what's up and with links to lots of sites that seem to make it sound like armageddon is coming if we don't act now....

I'd love to be able to point people to a reliable source that everything's going to be okay for now, assuming it will be. Maybe the OCA online petition is a good link to pass on? Your insights would be great!!

Thanks!!
Melanie

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Thank you for your response to our letter. It's great to know that someone is as passionate as you are about the rights of small family farms.

I certainly share some of your concerns regarding how food safety regulations are implemented, but the growing concern about this issue means that we cannot take it lightly or will it away. Just this morning, President Obama pledged to improve food safety (NYT article here<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/15address.html?hp>) so it is likely if not inevitable that anyone involved with producing food will see some changes in what they're required to do with regard to record keeping. This will be true regardless of whether FDA retains oversight of food safety or these responsibilities are given to a new agency. Are there unknowns with respect to how any congressional legislation may be implemented? Yes. Does it pay to be cautious? Yes. Do we as a community need to stay actively involved in order to prevent the worst case scenario? Absolutely.

I can assure you that many organizations, FMC among them, are following proposed changes (via HR 875, HR 814, S 425, & HR 759) closely and are dedicated to representing the interests of small family farms. There will be many opportunities (for us and for you) to advocate for science-based, scale-sensitive solutions, or even exemption based on what, where, and to whom you are selling. Another possibility is a voluntary certification administered by your state's cooperative extension or dept. of agriculture, which would provide technical assistance in helping you create and update a brief food safety plan that puts in writing the common-sense approaches that you are likely already taking to prevent contamination. At this point, of course, these scenarios are hypothetical. But I hope that you can share my cautious optimism that there are as yet myriad opportunities to help shape what is vaguely implied in any of these proposed acts into a reality which is maximally friendly to small-scale family farms selling locally. It is even possible that, if properly implemented, legislation would actually give a competitive advantage to farms like yours, which have smaller footprints and which more and more people in USDA and congress recognize as being
critical to safe, secure, vibrant food systems.

Working on your behalf and grateful for your support,

Stacy
Executive Director
Farmers Market Coalition
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 12:21 PM
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68. You forgot to mention iHR 875 closes the loophole for test result shopping
Bill 875 requires the establishment of accredited labs used for testing contaminants. The current system has allowed independant testing labs to pop up without supervision that companies can use. This has led to a situation where food producers can resubmit product to another lab if it tests positive for pathogens, and then take thae negative test found at the alternate testing lab.

This is exactly what Peanut Corporation of America did for several years, and presumably the accreditation process would have caused the labs that identified the contamination to report the incident.

As far as your remarks on record keeping "all electronically of of course" implies an onerous burden, but I don't see it. I see it nudging people to keep good records and maintain a usable system for tracking the food they process. http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/hret-toc.html#notice">HACCP is not some exotic document. It is a one time document that identifies the ares where food might become contaminated, and it could be as simple as identifying that you don't cut lemons for the Iced Tea on the same cutting board that you are preparing raw chicken.

Yes, this happens all the time, and people get very sick from this. The HACCP befomes and employee training aid and most likely a static document in your quiver of Business plans, Invoices, Production Logs, customers, etc. All of these items are needed by even the smallest producer, and if this is too much to handle, then you are running a hobby, and you should face up to that fact and just give your food to friends and family. Unless you hate your family, you will most likely provide your own HACCP to protect your loved ones, so I don't see an issue.

Too many times I see people come up with an idea for a small business and fail to think through all of the issues that they might run into. My wife for example wanted to start a business doing therapy for people. She didn't realize that we'd need to invest in tons of infrastructure just to be able to facilitate them safely. Doing a comprehensive plan took weeks to come up with all the things we could run in to. In the end, that exercise was integrated into the business plan and it caused us to scale back our plans and go slower.

Going slowly is a good thing. Good plans and records are the most important foundation to a small business there is, so I think you are painting the record keeping requirements unfairly.

I can see that Different entities will have different tasks to perform. On my orchard as an Organic Farmer, I have to keep track of many things, but all I do is ship fruit to my customers. I can identify who my customers are by simply looking up an invoice. If and when I produce a run of say dried figs, I would have to come up with an HACCP that details what could possibly go wrong in that process. This is not a burden, it is a requirement for me to see what risk's I take when I set out to dry some figs. While writing up the HACCP, it forces one to think about the task at hand and hopefully generate some best practices in the process.

People that sell a Soy Burger would have to do the same, in addition to identifying where they purchased the Soy flour. The purpose of HR 875 allows for the traceability of food back to it's origin. Similar to the taxonomy of a plant, leading you to ultimately the source. All I need to do is find the processor of the Soy into flour, and that entity would have the record of where the Soy came from. It also may allow us to track the Soy as far as whether it is GMO or not, so HR 875 is a good bill in my mind.

What concerns me are the fantasy claims that are in the blogosphere that have no basis in fact concerning HR 875. They message uses fear and lies to trigger irrational perceptions about these important upgrades to our food safety system. The disinformation campaign seems to be coming from a central source, and it creeps me out. They seem to be preying on uninformed user (Those that have not read the bill)using the word "Monsanto" and "Organic Farming Illegal" or "It may soon be Illegal to grow a Tomato', or "Monsanto's Dream Bill". These inflamatory subject lines are shock and awe, but sadly they are proven methods used by the Opinion Shapers to destroy support. It does not matter if its true or not, all they have to do is trigger an emotional or irrational response.

As far as the reality it will only indirectly would affect Monsanto, and only in the case where Monsanto sold 100,000 gallons of Citric Acid to Coca Cola or Pepsico. Coca-Cola Corp would be the one responsible for maintaining records of whether it bought it's Citric Acid from Monsanto, or Guanzhou Chemical Factory.

It's almost as bad as Edward Bernays and his campaign to get women to smoke buy glomming onto the suffragette movement and have them light up "Freedom Torches" aka cigarettes, which basically destroyed the existing taboo on women smokers. The campaign was a brilliant success for the Tobacco companies, however, it undoubtably cause much suffering until the PR campaign was penetrated and cigarettes were finally unveiled as the toxic health hazard that they really are.

I am only talking about 875, which is a good first step in reigning in the big food processors that use bulk ingrediants from all over the world, and measure product run by the thousand gallon batches.

HR 875 also applies this methodology to Animal Feed, so Purina would be accountable for any adulterants found in Chicken, Pig, Cat, Pheasant or Flamingo chow. (Yes, they make it) If 875 were in place a few years ago, thousands of pets would not have died due to melamine poisoning.






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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 10:48 AM
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65. The ONLY thing in this bill I oppose is the requirement for all (commercial) food
producers (even little roadside stand types) to have a HACCP-type safety plan in place. That is WAAAAYYYY too burdensome, IMHO. Otherwise this bill is fine with me.

Why do you have one post viciously attacking it and one post saying it's perfectly ok????
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:26 PM
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77. not really
People selling food to the public are and should be regulated and inspected and adhere to safety standards.

Michigan is the leading state for roadside markets, fruit stands, etc. of all kinds and sizes. They have been, since the New Deal, subject to inspection and regulation. Yes, the inspector comes. Yes he or she looks at everything - your labels have to be accurate, your scales have to be accurate, your building has to be clean. yes, you will be asked to bring your operation into compliance with safety standards. Yes, it is sometimes a pain in the ass. But that does not out them out of business nor is it too burdensome. Business is better, because the public has confidence in the safety of the roadside stands and markets.

The small farmers are already doing all of the things that this bill requires - filling out forms, submitting to inspection - on everything they do. This is the way it should be, and even Republican voting farmers know that safety inspections and protection of public health is a good thing. The extreme right wing and only the extreme right wing opposes this.

It is a right wing idea that this is burdensome and that people should be allowed to sell food to the public anyway they want to and that there should be no regulation and inspection.


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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:20 PM
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76. The executives of Monsanto should be burned at the stake ..


Thousands upon thousands of farmers in India have been forced to take their own lives because of these Motherfuckers..


All of them .. even the innocent executives at Monsanto .. should be chained and dragged on the streets before being riddled with bullets ... and the process should be repeated with their family members ...

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:27 PM
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78. the bill
The bill has nothing to do with Monsanto.
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:33 PM
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79. that is not a valid excuse for not killing Monsanto people .. they should all be
killed
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 01:56 PM
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80. lol
I didn't know I was required to come up with excuses for not killing people.

But I will. Here ya go - your remarks are undisciplined and counter-productive, and do not lead to building worker solidarity and effectively overthrowing the rule by the oligarchs. Advocating "killing them all" is bad tactically, and sloppy tactics with no political analysis or context of class struggle can only aid the ruling class.


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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:14 PM
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81. I was venting frustration ... and you have a very valid point .. so I will just
shut myself up
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 02:19 PM
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82. no problem
No worries. Vent away.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 05:28 PM
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86. I agree, their day will come when the labeling of GMO food is mandated.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-23-09 05:30 PM
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87. Here's a link that contains the Kellogg's muted endorsement of H.R. 875
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MightyMight Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 09:25 AM
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89. Air America interview
I heard on Air America an expert on this Bill. It was on the Thom Hartmann show 3/26/2009. He seemed to think there is no stopping this one.
I was trying to find the show for my wife to listen to and found the interview on You Tube. It doesn't have the follow up calls but does have the interview which contains loads of info.
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