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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:08 PM
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The Nation Magazine endorses Dennis Kucinich
We have been proud Nation subscribers for over 20 years. We shall not only contiune to subscribe but to contribute as a Nation Associate.Our magazine of choice never fail us.
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Election '08

In his stands on the issues, Dennis Kucinich comes closest to embodying the ideals of this magazine. He has been a forceful critic of the Bush Administration, opposing the Patriot Act and spearheading the motion to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney. He is the only candidate to have voted against the Iraq War in 2003 and has voted against funding it ever since. Of all the serious candidates, only he and Governor Bill Richardson propose a full and immediate withdrawal from Iraq. And only Kucinich's plan sets aside funds for reparations. Moreover, Kucinich has used his presidential campaigns to champion issues like cutting the military budget and abolishing nuclear weapons; universal, single-payer healthcare; campaign finance reform; same-sex marriage and an end to the death penalty and the war on drugs. A vote for him would be a principled one.

But for reasons that have to do with the corrupting influence of money and media on national elections as well as with his campaign's shortcomings--such as its failure to organize a grassroots base of donors and web activists--a democratic mass movement has not coalesced around Kucinich's run for President. The progressive vision is there, but the strategy necessary to win and then govern is lacking. In most cases, the rules of the Iowa caucus require that a candidate reach 15 percent of the vote to achieve "viability"; supporters of candidates who fail to do so can choose another candidate. Simply put, many Iowans will soon face a question that the rest of us may have to answer later: if not Dennis, then who.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080107/editors
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:25 PM
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1. i'm torn
I've donated and been a Kooch supporter and believe he is the best of the bunch. But i may throw my primary vote to Edwards b/c he's my second favorite and needs the help to get the nod.

I'd take DK as the VP pick though...
K+R

:)

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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:48 PM
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5. Edwards/Kucinich
Has a nice ring to it! :)
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:29 PM
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2. In a Nation on line poll
its readership went 2-1 for Kucinich. They needed to endorse Kucinich considering that. A vote for Kucinich is the only way to say no to Edwards plan to require you to buy corporate private insurance with no quarantees of coverages. I say a vote for Edwards is a waste. He has said at least for now , his plan would require Americans to buy private insurance. No thanks John.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 07:42 PM
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3. If we all voted our conscience...
Kucinich would win the Democratic nomination...

Screw all the asshats who want to bank on a candidate's "electability"!!! I'm so sick of that nonsense!
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Progressive Radical Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:28 PM
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4. Kucinich or bust. n/t
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Diamond Dave Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 11:21 PM
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12. I'd like Kuinich for one main reason
He can't be bought. He likes to shine light on the dirty side.

I would love to see him enter office and compile a report of the real state of The (Real) Nation, and the shit we've been left with after being mugged and raped and tortured for 8 years.

I would like to believe that 'murder will out'. Hopefully, like O.J., someday Bush will be exposed for the thug that he is.

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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:02 AM
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15. Such a stupid way of choosing
Assuming the candidate isn't wildly offensive, anyone the Dems pick is automatically going to be electable.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:41 PM
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24. Too true!!
Every friggin year I hear candidates chosen on the local and national level on the basis of 'electability.' It is the final argument when you have a bought out candidate that is wrong on the issues and leans to the right of the party and the American people on most issues.

"But we want someone electable."

Lets be honest fellow Democrats we cannot win the conservative Christian vote. We cannot win the Wallstreet vote. We are going to have trouble winning the upper middle class suburban 'angry white male vote' and his cared soccer mom-wife bitch vote.

What we can try to do is change the friggin issues and watch as some of these people wake the hell up. And us picking a candidate that is going to swing only a little bit to the left for the primaries and then take a hard neo-con-rah rah-right turn is going to do the same friggin thing it does every tine. Lose.

"Given a choice between a Republican and a Democrat that sounds like a Republican, why would anyone ever choose that Democrat"---badly paraphrased Harry Truman, I think.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 08:53 PM
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6. I guess they WOULD endorse DK, if they were endorsing someone, but
the article specifically says they are NOT endorsing anyone:

(snip)
What is needed most now is not a candidate but a movement to surround that candidate, to brace his or her resolve, to press for the best platform and to hold him or her accountable for implementing it if elected. For this reason, we choose not to endorse a candidate for President at this time but rather to call for the rise of a broadly based small-d democratic movement, as only such a movement can create the space necessary to realize this moment's full potential. Nonetheless, we see differences among the candidates that reflect their relative willingness and ability to foster this movement and advance its agenda
(snip)

Maybe a more accurate statement would be:
Nation Magazine endorses "rise of a broadly based small-d democratic movement, as only such a movement can create the space necessary to realize this moment's full potential. "
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:07 PM
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7. It's not over til it's over....
Iowa and NH are not the only states in the USA. Here's a list of your state's primary election dates. Forget the horse race mentality.

http://www.vote-smart.org/election_president_state_primary_dates.php
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 09:37 PM
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8. Uh, no they didn't. Why would you post that headline?
"The progressive vision is there, but the strategy necessary to win and then govern is lacking."

The Nation is not endorsing anyone at this time.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 06:04 AM
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16. endorse Dennis , then who.?
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 06:08 AM by cyclezealot
The endorsement may be a slight exagerration , but the last sentence seems to indicate there is no one else worthy of our votes. I'd say that means they recommend a vote for Dennis, since no one else qualifiies. As a Long Time Nation reader, I have more faith in the values of the Nation Magazine, then I do the Democratic Party.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:45 AM
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17. "a slight exagerration "?
No it is a lie on your part. Why would you do that?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:48 AM
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18. If not Dennis who.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 09:02 AM by cyclezealot
I consider that an endorsement. That is saying , there is no other acceptable candidate. It tells me, if I believe in their priorities, vote Dennis. That is not a lie.
the quote. Says, the others don't quite meet a progressive standard.


"Simply put, many Iowans will soon face a question that the rest of us may have to answer later: if not Dennis, then who. "

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 08:55 AM
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19. The article explicitly states that The Nation is not endorsing anyone.
You simply made shit up, and now your are persistently lying about it. You are an embarrassment to your chosen candidate. You should stop.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:42 AM
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20. So maybe I could have chosen better words.
Edited on Thu Dec-27-07 09:45 AM by cyclezealot
The exuberance of their mostly kind words, caused me to not use words as carefully as I should. / big frickin deal. it says if not Kucinich, who else. As A Nation reader, it Tells me to vote for him. He meets their progressive standards, others less so. I still consider it sort of an endorsement. Any doubt their editors lived in Iowa next week, that person or persons , would not be voting for Kucinich. Had the headlines said, the Nation sort of endorsed Kucinich, that would be accurate.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 09:50 AM
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21. No, you lied.
"For this reason, we choose not to endorse a candidate for President at this time but rather to call for the rise of a broadly based small-d democratic movement, as only such a movement can create the space necessary to realize this moment's full potential."

To claim that this was an endorsement was simply a lie. Your claim is the opposite of what the editorial explicitly stated. That is not poor word choice on your part. The fact that your deliberate misrepresentation of The Nation's position is sitting on the greatest page is an embarrassment to DU.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:45 PM
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25. Well
There have been some hitches in his campaign... poor tactical decisions, that sort of thing.

Personally I think he should have stealthed his way into speaking at the DLC conference and turned it into a new-deal meets fire-brimstone kind of sermonizing thing on them.

Other than that we have to admit that all the tactics in the world are going to net very little with man parts of the media working sooo hard to pretend he doesn't exist. Of course lack of fundage also hurts him considerably.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:00 PM
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9. doesn't change my vote ... Edwards/Dodd is my dream ticket
the whole issue of having a republican in a dem administration is what clinches me as anti-Kucinich.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:07 PM
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10. No, IT DOESN'T. Did you read the article? nt
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:11 PM
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11. Uhhh... nope.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 02:57 AM
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13. The Nation on Edwards: "Edwards has displayed a smart, necessary partisanship--denouncing corporate
power and its crippling influence on government. He has argued with conviction that government does best when it does more for its citizens. ... In a series of bold initiatives, he has called for an end to poverty in thirty years, universal healthcare, a hike in the minimum wage to $9.50 by 2012 and an 80 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050--accomplished in part by the creation of a green-collar jobs corps. His policy proposals are not always perfect, but they are uncommonly detailed and crafted in conjunction with progressive organizations. Most important, his programs were announced first, and they clearly pushed Clinton and Obama in a progressive direction. His healthcare plan stops short of a single-payer program, but it unapologetically includes employer mandates and tax increases. Likewise, although he voted for the Iraq War and his plan to end it doesn't commit to full and immediate withdrawal, he has repudiated that vote and proposes a faster pullout than his two main rivals. And Edwards is the only leading candidate to connect the war and the home front, bravely arguing that an ambitious domestic agenda would require cuts to the military budget. His is the campaign that has most effectively responded to the spirit of progressive populism that lifted Congressional Democrats to victory in 2006."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080107/editors
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:03 AM
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22. it also said.
Edwards, the editorial points out, has not sewn up union support across the board, nor has he excited a cohort of previously disenfranchised voters.

Perhaps some have been turned off by the media's relentless fixation on the "three H's" -- haircuts, hedge funds and houses -- symbols of the gap between his populist rhetoric and his lifestyle
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 03:18 AM
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14. Always, always keep asking for a pony, even it you'll eventually accept a kitten n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 10:20 AM
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23. WTF?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:16 PM
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26. F*** the people who "heart" Dennis but are voting for some else
they're the reason people like Mr. Kucinich don't get elected
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